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14:02:14 <trackbot> Meeting: Low Vision Accessibility Task Force Teleconference
14:02:14 <trackbot> Date: 17 August 2017
14:02:17 <allanj> chair: jim
14:02:28 <allanj> regrets: Laura, Erich
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14:57:21 <shawn> present: Jim, Shawn, Glenda, JohnR
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15:01:57 <allanj> Agenda+ Printing https://github.com/w3c/wcag21/issues/76
15:02:31 <allanj> zakim, agenda?
15:02:31 <Zakim> I see 2 items remaining on the agenda:
15:02:32 <Zakim> 1. Popup Interference (MetaData on Hover) [from AllanJ_]
15:02:32 <Zakim> 2. Printing https://github.com/w3c/wcag21/issues/76 [from allanj]
15:02:44 <allanj> zakim, close item 1
15:02:44 <Zakim> agendum 1, Popup Interference (MetaData on Hover), closed
15:02:45 <Zakim> I see 1 item remaining on the agenda:
15:02:45 <Zakim> 2. Printing https://github.com/w3c/wcag21/issues/76 [from allanj]
15:03:54 <allanj> slh: need a list of status with SC, understanding
15:04:12 <allanj> jim: create wiki page
15:04:56 <allanj> ... add to or morph an existing status page
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15:05:45 <shawn> slh: on requiremetns doc, there open issues for the group to comment on
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15:06:39 <JohnRochford> present+ JohnRochford
15:08:29 <shawn> zakim, who is on the phone?
15:08:29 <Zakim> Present: Jim, Shawn, Glenda, JohnR, JohnRochford
15:08:39 <shawn> present- JohnR
15:08:50 <shawn> present+ SteveRep
15:09:21 <shawn> Jim: netxL work on Understanding documents. Then back to requirements
15:09:27 <allanj> zakim, open item 1
15:09:27 <Zakim> agendum 1. "Popup Interference (MetaData on Hover)" taken up [from AllanJ_]
15:09:34 <allanj> scribe: allanj
15:09:39 <shawn> s/netxL/next:
15:09:46 <allanj> https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/extra_sc/results#xmatf1
15:10:15 <allanj> https://github.com/w3c/wcag21/issues/76#issuecomment-322900431
15:10:36 <allanj> Proposed:
15:10:38 <allanj> Where a page can be printed, essential information can be printed with no loss of content and or adapted text properties.
15:10:49 <shawn> Jim: Based on Jake's comment and comments from the Facilitators meeting, I tweaked it (for instantcs whwere you can;'t print)
15:11:00 <shawn> s/can;'t/can't
15:11:12 <shawn> s/instantcs/instances
15:11:58 <shawn> Jim: might get push back
15:12:08 <shawn> SLH: well, not with adapted text propoerties
15:12:22 <shawn> Glenda: point is that you can't see it well on screen
15:12:55 <shawn> SR?JR: maybe some people just didn't read the description enough
15:14:01 <shawn> Jim: description is OK. We took out zooming, since it was too complex with different browser behavilur and beyond author's control
15:14:23 <shawn> ... chaning font size worked pretty well for wll design print CSS
15:14:34 <shawn> s/wll/well
15:15:56 <shawn> Jim: word change on metadata on hover/focus. changed to UI components. Steve's point that title can be on anything, or anything can have popup on hover. not necessarily look like UI component -- although if pop-up, the is component
15:16:05 <shawn> ... like content better than user interface component
15:16:30 <shawn> SteveRep: not sure why Andrew made the change. I was against it
15:16:49 <shawn> ... images with title attribute that can't take focus
15:17:07 <shawn> ... other chanve more concerning about repositioning.
15:17:17 <shawn> scribe: Shawn
15:18:18 <shawn> SteveRep: 1 objector to the SC. Unclear why, until had a smll gropu meeting. Discussed Sharepoint example. Big tile & when hover, tooltip appears in different places bepending on where you mouse is on the tile.
15:18:41 <shawn> s/Sharepoint/[specific product]
15:19:06 <shawn> ... what if trigger content is really big, if off, then user may not see it.
15:19:59 <shawn> ... /me gives upo trying to scribe details and links to issue in GitHub instead:
15:20:19 <allanj> beginning of thread on Hover issue 75 https://github.com/w3c/wcag21/issues/75#issuecomment-320836888
15:20:47 <shawn> ... dismiss it via keyboard
15:21:31 <allanj> Visible trigger
15:21:33 <allanj> Either the additional content does not obscure any essential content within the triggering user interface component, or the additional content can be closed or repositioned by the user.
15:21:40 <shawn> ... Seems like people agreed - left at repositioning - but doesn't say how. not tlaking about off of the trigger so you can actually see ity
15:22:04 <shawn> ... first time reader might figure it out, but that's not what it says
15:22:45 <shawn> ... can move around the trigger to see it. Not feasible.
15:23:11 <shawn> scribe: Jim
15:26:12 <steverep> present+steverep