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14:02:25 <trackbot> Meeting: Accessibility Conformance Testing Teleconference
14:02:26 <trackbot> Date: 07 August 2017
14:03:03 <Wilco> agenda+ Meeting logistics  https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/93339/telco/
14:03:12 <Wilco> agenda+ Accessibility support https://github.com/w3c/wcag-act/pull/101
14:03:20 <Wilco> agenda+ What rules to use as examples https://auto-wcag.github.io/auto-wcag/pages/rules.html
14:03:33 <Wilco> agenda+ ACT review process  https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/task-forces/conformance-testing/wiki/ACT_Review_Process
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14:06:50 <MoeKraft> Hi All, I forget my login to w3c so not able to get to the WebEx info. Need to reset my password. Will be there shortly.
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14:08:12 <w3c-wcag-act> preset +
14:08:39 <Wilco> present+
14:10:01 <cpandhi> zakim take up item 1
14:10:20 <cpandhi> zakim, take up item 1
14:10:20 <Zakim> agendum 1. "Meeting logistics  https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/93339/telco/" taken up [from Wilco]
14:10:27 <shadi> present+ Anne, SteinErik, Charu, Shadi
14:13:57 <cpandhi> Shadi: the logistic information has changed, there was some fruadulant use. Information is on the survey page, please take care to not share the information
14:15:28 <cpandhi> Ann: i may have to drop early
14:16:18 <cpandhi> Wilco: provide comments on github is preffered
14:17:33 <cpandhi> Stein Erik: Need a till more context on the pull request
14:18:05 <cpandhi> Ann: usually the original intent to change something is always not very clear
14:18:29 <cpandhi> Wilco: i will bring this up in our planing
14:18:36 <cpandhi> zakim, take up next
14:18:36 <Zakim> agendum 2. "Accessibility support https://github.com/w3c/wcag-act/pull/101" taken up [from Wilco]
14:20:36 <cpandhi> Ann: does it always has to be 1 rules or could be more
14:20:52 <cpandhi> Ann: we do like the rule group idea generally
14:21:39 <cpandhi> Stein Erik: the one rule group map to 1 SC?
14:22:49 <cpandhi> Wilco: For most rules there could be 1 to 1 mapping but there could be scenerios where that is not true
14:23:11 <cpandhi> Ann: sometime there may be a need to exapnd the rule to fit more checks
14:23:44 <cpandhi> Ann: Can we address that with rule versioning
14:23:57 <cpandhi> Wico: can you provide an example?
14:24:59 <cpandhi> Ann: If we have a act rule that checks for headings and then we could have wai-aria techinques that do that
14:25:25 <cpandhi> Ann: so we could add the new technique to the rule group
14:26:20 <cpandhi> Stein Erik: if there is a 1 to 1 mapping the rule can be in the rule group and new techniques can be added
14:27:45 <cpandhi> Wilco: Add a editorial note to discuss with the planing, add an editorial note to explore a group have multiple passes or the group have only one rule
14:28:52 <cpandhi> Wilco: Shadi do you have any comments
14:29:04 <cpandhi> Shadi: we looked at it, it is fine for now
14:29:12 <cpandhi> Wilco: i will merge it
14:29:22 <cpandhi> zakim, take up next
14:29:22 <Zakim> agendum 3. "What rules to use as examples https://auto-wcag.github.io/auto-wcag/pages/rules.html" taken up [from Wilco]
14:30:37 <Wilco> https://auto-wcag.github.io/auto-wcag/pages/rules.html
14:31:17 <Wilco> https://wilcofiers.github.io/act-rules/
14:31:31 <cpandhi> Wilco: We want to publish couple of rules in the next draft and i have an example for that
14:32:18 <cpandhi> wilco: the point is to show what the rules will look like
14:33:06 <cpandhi> Wilco: instead of picking rules from WCAG, it will be best to write our own rule to fit the format
14:33:17 <cpandhi> Wilco: and publish on W3C
14:34:09 <cpandhi> Wilco: so if we can take a rule to write prefebaly a rule not written by WCAG
14:34:34 <cpandhi> Shadi: Why do we not want to start with what WCAG has
14:36:02 <cpandhi> Wilco: I think we will need to take what auto-wcag rules to fit the new format so we need to do that
14:36:26 <cpandhi> Shadi: Why take what the org has written and not the auto-wcag?
14:36:53 <cpandhi> Wilco: Each org will be more familliar with what they have written
14:37:34 <cpandhi> Shadi: We should cordinate what rules will be implemented
14:38:03 <cpandhi> Shadi: so i propose we start with auto-wcag, the agreement will be quicker
14:38:23 <Wilco> https://wilcofiers.github.io/act-rules/rules/ACT-R2.html
14:39:13 <cpandhi> Wilco: i could take one from auto-wcag, update it to how it is implemented in Axecore
14:40:07 <cpandhi> Stein Erik, i am not sure what the implication are, we will need to discuss this before we commit
14:42:53 <cpandhi> Wilco: The reason i am suggesting we take our own rules so we get some experience to wite and see if it works for us
14:44:35 <cpandhi> get Wilcos point to write are own to get experience
14:45:04 <cpandhi> Ann: we have the same concern, Erick and i are on this call, but the folks that write our rules are not
14:45:41 <cpandhi> Wilco: We are out of time, i want to publish the draft this month
14:46:33 <cpandhi> Shadi: We need to work togather, plan to use auto-wcag as well as write our own
14:46:56 <Wilco> https://auto-wcag.github.io/auto-wcag/pages/rules.html
14:46:58 <cpandhi> Shadi: Can we agree on some auto-wcag rules to work with
14:47:20 <cpandhi> Wilco: We can go through this list and pick a few
14:47:52 <Wilco> https://auto-wcag.github.io/auto-wcag/rules/SC2-2-1+SC3-2-5-meta-refresh.html
14:48:01 <cpandhi> Shadi: we want to ick some thing not to complex to avoid same discussion as i auto-wcag
14:49:29 <cpandhi> Ann: we have looked at the language rule to make it more understandable
14:49:50 <cpandhi> Shadi: We could do a survey on what to pick
14:50:13 <cpandhi> Ann: Nice to have something with more then one step
14:51:08 <cpandhi> Wilco: have a short list here which we can put them on survey and get feedback on which to use
14:51:36 <cpandhi> zakim, take up next
14:51:36 <Zakim> agendum 4. "ACT review process  https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/task-forces/conformance-testing/wiki/ACT_Review_Process" taken up [from Wilco]
14:53:28 <cpandhi> Shadi: I did not see major issues, comments are more that this is the right direction.
14:54:03 <cpandhi> Shadi: I was concerned, there were very few comments
14:54:34 <cpandhi> Shadi: Wilco what is your confidence level given the feedback
14:55:14 <cpandhi> Wilco: I feel we are in the right direction, may be add more details on the steps
14:55:27 <cpandhi> Shadi: yes, can make it more clear
14:56:05 <cpandhi> Shadi: Is this something everyone would commit to and go through the process
14:57:11 <cpandhi> Wilco: i do not see my comments, i will add it
14:58:29 <cpandhi> Wilco: We are constantly updating our tools apart from the published standards, so we will have different development paths going own, how do we sync it
14:58:53 <cpandhi> Shadi: good point, what is your incentive to go back and update the rule
14:59:47 <cpandhi> Wilco: if we publish our test cases that can be pulled by others then if we change or update something others might want to make the update or change
15:00:37 <cpandhi> Shadi: So if deque has a test case and a rule then that might drive others to do tha same
15:01:11 <cpandhi> Shadi: will be not there next 2 Mondays, but i will put something togather for review
15:01:55 <cpandhi> Shadi: We want to go to the publish mode and come back for review
15:02:51 <shadi> trackbot, end meeting
15:02:51 <trackbot> Zakim, list attendees
15:02:51 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been Wilco, Anne, SteinErik, Charu, Shadi
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