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12:20:31 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be
12:20:31 <Zakim> I don't understand 'this will be', trackbot
12:20:32 <trackbot> Meeting: Permissions and Obligations Expression Working Group Teleconference
12:20:32 <trackbot> Date: 31 July 2017
12:20:36 <renato> RRSAgent, make logs public
12:20:46 <renato> RRSAgent, draft minutes V2
12:20:46 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2017/07/31-poe-minutes.html renato
12:23:38 <renato> present+
12:23:46 <renato> Agenda: https://www.w3.org/2016/poe/wiki/Meetings:Telecon20170731
12:23:55 <renato> Chair: renato
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12:33:18 <victor> hi!
12:33:30 <renato> Hi all
12:33:45 <renato> we are waiting for Ben to start his webex
12:35:14 <renato> its live!
12:35:38 <ivan> present+
12:37:38 <victor> present+
12:37:51 <CarolineB> present+ CarolineB
12:40:51 <ivan> scribenick: CarolineB
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12:41:12 <renato> Approve: https://www.w3.org/2017/07/17-poe-minutes
12:41:21 <CarolineB> TOPIC: approve minutes from meeting two weeks ago
12:41:37 <CarolineB> ACTION: Minutes accepted
12:41:37 <trackbot> Error finding 'Minutes'. You can review and register nicknames at <https://www.w3.org/2016/poe/track/users>.
12:41:55 <ivan> resolved: minutes accepted
12:42:10 <ivan> Topic: Consequence remedy
12:42:19 <renato> https://www.w3.org/2016/poe/wiki/Duty_Relations
12:42:21 <ivan> present+ lindaB
12:42:32 <CarolineB> TOPIC: Consequence
12:42:39 <CarolineB> Simon and Serena have made a proposal
12:42:41 <ivan> present+ victor
12:42:46 <ivan> zakim, who is here?
12:42:46 <Zakim> Present: renato, ivan, victor, CarolineB, lindaB
12:42:48 <Zakim> On IRC I see lindaB, victor, CarolineB, michaelS, Zakim, RRSAgent, renato, ivan, trackbot
12:43:04 <CarolineB> with some examples
12:43:04 <renato> https://github.com/w3c/poe/issues/209
12:46:04 <ivan> present+ Ben
12:47:21 <CarolineB> renato: need to clear up semantics
12:48:14 <CarolineB> ... you can ignore the duty and fulfil the remedy??
12:48:27 <CarolineB> lindaB: example?
12:49:30 <CarolineB> benws: you still have to fulfill the duty
12:51:39 <CarolineB> renato: beleives the group should accept the proposal, It's sueful. We just need to be crystal clear about semantics
12:51:51 <victor> Second objection: the consequence may not be initiated by the breacher, so it should be not a "duty" perhaps.
12:51:56 <CarolineB> s/beleives/believes
12:54:45 <CarolineB> victor: consequence is at someones discretion - doesn't have to be applied
12:55:38 <CarolineB> renato: will try and fit it into the information model
12:56:28 <renato> Proposal: Accept the Duty Relations described at https://www.w3.org/2016/poe/wiki/Duty_Relations
12:56:56 <ivan> 0
12:57:01 <CarolineB> +1
12:57:02 <renato> +1
12:57:41 <ivan> +1 for ben
12:57:41 <CarolineB> benws: +1
12:57:41 <renato> Ben +1
12:57:47 <victor> +0.50
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12:58:53 <CarolineB> lindaB: +1
12:59:16 <renato> Resolved: Accept the Duty Relations described at https://www.w3.org/2016/poe/wiki/Duty_Relations
12:59:27 <michelS> Present+
12:59:39 <michelS> Present+
13:00:14 <renato> I18N feedback https://github.com/w3c/poe/issues/212
13:00:14 <CarolineB> Topic: Horizontal review feedback
13:01:30 <CarolineB> sorry
13:01:30 <CarolineB> i'm out of it
13:02:01 <renato> Policy metadata: https://w3c.github.io/poe/model/#provenace
13:02:39 <renato> are the strings in DC properties used for comparison?
13:02:46 <ivan> scribenick: renato
13:06:09 <renato> ivan: is it used in search?
13:07:25 <renato> ivan: should be normalised if used as search target? or not used for that purpose..and close the issue...
13:08:35 <renato> proposal: close issue 212 as ODRL DC properties will not be used in comparative search
13:08:47 <ivan> +1
13:08:51 <renato> +1
13:09:11 <renato> linda +1
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13:10:54 <renato> linda: ask I18N for any specific uses?
13:11:17 <renato> ivan: they probably won't given any more info
13:11:51 <renato> ivan: "we don'texpect these properties for search"
13:12:26 <ivan> resolved: close issue 212 as ODRL DC properties will not be used in comparative search
13:13:39 <ivan> https://github.com/w3c/poe/issues/213
13:14:21 <renato> ri to fix 213
13:14:31 <renato> https://github.com/w3c/poe/issues/214
13:15:13 <renato> RI to fix (use attributes in XML)
13:15:42 <ivan> Topic: profiles
13:15:45 <renato> https://github.com/w3c/poe/issues/210
13:19:44 <ivan> present+ michelS
13:31:58 <renato> Proposal: Profiles to be made mandatory for all policies
13:32:04 <ivan> +1
13:32:07 <renato> linda +1
13:32:16 <victor> +0 (I have not studied the case in detail)
13:32:32 <renato> Ben +1
13:32:48 <renato> michael +1
13:32:52 <renato> 0
13:33:09 <renato> Resolved: Profiles to be made mandatory for all policies
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13:33:49 <ivan> rrsagent, draft minutes
13:33:49 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2017/07/31-poe-minutes.html ivan
13:34:24 <ivan> zakim, bye
13:34:25 <Zakim> leaving.  As of this point the attendees have been renato, ivan, victor, CarolineB, lindaB, Ben, michelS
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13:34:34 <ivan> rrsagent, bye
13:34:34 <RRSAgent> I see 1 open action item saved in http://www.w3.org/2017/07/31-poe-actions.rdf :
13:34:34 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Minutes accepted [1]
13:34:34 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2017/07/31-poe-irc#T12-41-37