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10:36:28 <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs public
10:36:31 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be
10:36:31 <Zakim> I don't understand 'this will be', trackbot
10:36:31 <trackbot> Meeting: Hebrew Layout Task Force Teleconference
10:36:31 <trackbot> Date: 25 July 2017
10:39:17 <Lina> agenda?
10:39:47 <Lina> take up agendum 2
10:39:55 <Lina> take up agendum 4
10:41:14 <r12a> agenda?
10:41:38 <Lina> present+ Lina
10:41:42 <r12a> lina, to clear the agenda it may be necessary to dismiss zakim
10:42:02 <Lina> zakim, who's here ?
10:42:02 <Zakim> Present: aharoni, doron, r12a, lina, mati
10:42:04 <Zakim> On IRC I see RRSAgent, Lina, r12a, trackbot, Zakim
10:42:04 <r12a> and then reinvite
10:42:24 <r12a> same for info about attendees
10:42:53 <r12a> to dismiss a bot write  <botname> bye
10:43:11 <r12a> to reinvite say /invite #hlreq <botname>
10:43:36 <r12a> usually they time out between meetings, so it didn't occur to me to mention it before
10:46:23 <Lina> hi Richard
10:46:26 <Lina> ok I see
10:46:32 <Lina> bye zakim
10:46:44 <Lina> zakim bye
10:48:21 <r12a> hm
10:48:24 <r12a> zakim, bye
10:48:24 <Zakim> leaving.  As of this point the attendees have been aharoni, doron, r12a, lina, mati
10:48:24 <Zakim> Zakim has left #hlreq
10:48:39 <r12a> ah, sorry that's it: zakim, bye  (with a comma)
10:48:45 <r12a> i'll reinvite
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10:49:41 <r12a> and the reinvite syntax is actually /invite zakim #hlreq
10:49:51 <r12a> hmm, sorry about that
10:49:54 <r12a> so let's try it
10:50:06 <r12a> zakim, who's here?
10:50:06 <Zakim> Present: (no one)
10:50:09 <Zakim> On IRC I see RRSAgent, Lina, r12a, trackbot
10:50:17 <r12a> agenda?
10:50:25 <r12a> ok, good to go Lina
10:51:21 <r12a> i'll add that information to https://w3c.github.io/i18n-activity/guidelines/process.html
10:51:22 <Lina> so I was interrupted
10:51:33 <Lina> agenda?
10:51:35 <Lina> ok
10:51:43 <Lina> present+ Lina
10:52:29 <Lina> agenda+ Divide work on hlreq topics
10:52:35 <Lina> adenda?
10:52:44 <r12a> agenda?
11:24:05 <Lina> Richard, I am meeting with Amir today
11:24:16 <Lina> To discuss work division
11:24:24 <r12a> great
11:24:35 <Lina> We were planning to use a local phone line
11:25:17 <Lina> - and iirc
11:25:26 <r12a> ok
11:26:01 <r12a> where you planning to have another call with others later?
11:27:00 <Lina> yes sure, next week
11:27:09 <r12a> ah ok
11:27:14 <r12a> not today then
11:27:15 <Lina> I will announce it thru mailing list
11:27:31 <Lina> no not today
11:35:36 <Lina> How can I send an individual meeting invite to all invitees?
11:35:46 <Lina> for the next week
12:12:12 <r12a> lina, send an agenda to the public-hlreq-admin@w3.org list like this one? https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-hlreq-admin/2017JulSep/0000.html
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12:32:47 <Lina> +present Amir
12:33:20 <r12a> present+ Amir
12:33:56 <r12a> (zakim is ltr, no bidi ;)
12:34:22 <r12a> s/(zakim is ltr, no bidi ;)//
12:34:26 <aharoni> http://w3c.github.io/typography/
12:35:43 <Lina> agenda?
12:37:45 <Lina> Amir: if somebody teaches Hebrew, I want to write letter and diacritics separately (e.g. using different colors, fonts etc)
12:38:12 <Lina> ... its a subtopic that is worth to cover
12:39:12 <Lina> ... it's something that is probably specific to Hebrew (but some other lans too)
12:39:47 <Lina> Amir: concerning cursive text
12:40:07 <Lina> ... desirable to consult some typography expert
12:41:14 <Lina> ... some oppose using italic for Hebrew
12:42:38 <Lina> ... it's common to use bold that italic for Hebrew to emphasize
12:42:47 <Lina> ... still, we need an expert opinion
12:43:26 <Lina> Amir: lower / upper case irrelevant
12:43:44 <Lina> ... First letter is ok to emphasize
12:44:27 <Lina> Like different fonts, sizes, typefaces, etc. to distinguish first letter
12:45:43 <Lina> Amir: samples can be found on the web, Amir/ Lina also have some
12:48:15 <Lina> Inline spacing: should not be different from English
12:48:43 <Lina> Quotation marks:
12:48:57 <aharoni> quotation marks: there are several styles in Hebrew
12:49:36 <aharoni> most common today, because of what is available on most keyboards: "double quote 'single quote in an internal quotation' ending double quote"
12:49:51 <Lina> << >>
12:50:26 <aharoni> According to Academy of Hebrew Language, should be:
12:50:59 <aharoni> „מירכאות נמוכות בהתחלה ‚נמוכות בודדות באמצע’ גבוהות כפולות בסוף”
12:51:38 <aharoni> This is according to the Academy, and it was also common practice in print until early 2000s, before computers took over
12:52:10 <aharoni> On macOS and iOS there are only these characters: ״ and ׳
12:52:42 <aharoni> These are gershayim and geresh, which are good as gershayim and geresh, but not as quotation marks (merkhaot).
12:54:13 <aharoni> on the standard Hebrew keyboard (SII 1492 2012), implemented in Windows 8, all these quotation marks are available.
13:01:04 <aharoni> r12a: Only in very old printed texts. Today it survives in prayer books, and even there it's probably in reprints and now in newly-set books.
13:01:27 <aharoni> Michael Everson did some research on that.
13:01:51 <r12a> ok, may be worth a small paragraph somewhere in the doc to mention that
13:02:12 <r12a> it's good to know what isn't required sometimes
13:02:21 <r12a> rather than just not mentioned
13:02:54 <aharoni> Aha - so that exists, indeed, and something similar definitely exists in some Western languages as an emphasis device.
13:03:09 <aharoni> _possibly_ this is more common in Hebrew than italics, but I'm not totally certain.
13:03:20 <aharoni> gotta go now, thanks for the image!
13:16:31 <Lina> Thanks, Richard
13:17:16 <Lina> rrsagent, draft minutes
13:17:16 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2017/07/25-hlreq-minutes.html Lina
13:28:50 <Lina> Richard, is it possible to edit the minutes, there are some typos
13:35:07 <r12a> lina, use s/stuff-to-delete/stuff-to-replace-it/
13:35:14 <r12a> then redo rrsagent, draft minutes
13:53:25 <Lina> I see, will do, thank you
14:12:21 <r12a> Lina, what's your github username?  i'll resend the invitation
15:03:48 <Lina> lkemmel