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15:34:05 <lisa> zakim, this will be  WAI_CogTF
15:34:05 <Zakim> ok, lisa
15:34:07 <lisa> regrets:E.A. Draffan,
15:35:15 <lisa> agenda: this
15:35:16 <lisa> agenda+  review SC, and timelines show status table.sc status: https://rawgit.com/w3c/coga/master/extension/status.html,
15:35:18 <lisa> issues: https://github.com/w3c/wcag21/issues?q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+label%3ACOGA
15:35:19 <lisa> agenda+ wording for understanding sections
15:35:21 <lisa> agenda+  AAA list (see status: https://rawgit.com/w3c/coga/master/extension/status.html,   )
15:35:22 <lisa> agenda+ the supplement, moving forward
15:35:24 <lisa> 
15:35:26 <lisa> agenda+ be done
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16:01:09 <lisa> scribe: mike_pluke
16:01:34 <Mike_Pluke> Present+ Mike_Pluke
16:01:39 <lisa> present+
16:01:47 <lisa> zakim, next item
16:01:47 <Zakim> agendum 1. "review SC, and timelines show status table.sc status: https://rawgit.com/w3c/coga/master/extension/status.html," taken up [from lisa]
16:02:06 <Mike_Pluke> Next week we may should be able to move to the proposed Thursday call
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16:03:36 <AndyHeath> what is the meeting password for webbed please ?
16:03:40 <AndyHeath> webex
16:04:23 <lisa> https://rawgit.com/w3c/coga/master/extension/status.html
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16:04:53 <kirkwood_> present+ kirkwood
16:05:11 <AndyHeath> what is the webbed meeting password please Lisa (or anyone)
16:05:39 <AndyHeath> s/webbed/webex/
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16:05:57 <lisa> i sent it to you
16:06:03 <lisa> https://rawgit.com/w3c/coga/master/extension/status.html
16:06:53 <JohnRochford> present+ JohnRochford
16:07:10 <Mike_Pluke> Interruptions and Accessible Authentication have gone through
16:07:58 <Mike_Pluke> Support personalisation looks like it is going to get through at AA and possibly AAA
16:08:18 <Mike_Pluke> Undo is ready to be shelved
16:08:50 <lisa> error prevention (issue 33) under sicusion
16:09:03 <lisa>  task completion (issue 21)
16:09:14 <lisa> meant ot be up next
16:09:20 <Mike_Pluke> Currently being discussed next task completion
16:09:56 <Mike_Pluke> Trying to get things that didn't get in as AA as AAA instead
16:10:39 <kirkwood_> plain language seems that should be AAA to me
16:10:43 <Mike_Pluke> Plain language - 100% testable and widely applicable - but concern about the author burden
16:10:46 <JohnRochford> q+
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16:17:38 <Mike_Pluke> Lisa suggests that if we get things into WCAG 2.1, people can begin to develop tools to reduce author burden
16:18:15 <Mike_Pluke> John has suggested that tools to simplify language are extremely difficult to develop with current technologies
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16:19:12 <Mike_Pluke> Should we widen the scope if we are only aiming at AAA?
16:19:23 <Pietro> Present+ Pietro
16:19:35 <lisa> https://rawgit.com/w3c/coga/master/extension/status.html
16:19:46 <Mike_Pluke> There is a risk that if we widen the scope it might reduce its chance of being accepted even at AAA
16:20:38 <JohnRochford> q-
16:20:52 <Mike_Pluke> Lisa proposes that we should push to try to get plain language, help and maybe timed events and minimize errors in at AAA (rather than AA)
16:20:58 <kirkwood> I think timed events seems easier to get through but my 2cents
16:22:19 <Mike_Pluke> Lisa also raised familiar design, manageable blocks extra symbols and undo - which are important but maybe more difficult
16:22:55 <lisa> also check if smthng we should realy being pushing for
16:24:04 <JohnRochford> q+
16:24:35 <Mike_Pluke> We have feedback (issue 54) as a lower priority item - we had it as lower priority because we judged it would be difficult to get in - should we try for this at AAA
16:24:40 <lisa> https://github.com/w3c/wcag21/issues/54
16:25:51 <lisa> action: lisa check with david mackdonald, on feedback back issue 54
16:25:51 <trackbot> Created ACTION-221 - Check with david mackdonald, on feedback back issue 54 [on Lisa Seeman-Kestenbaum - due 2017-07-31].
16:27:57 <Mike_Pluke> Want to hear Pedro's feelings on what is best to get in (from the autism perspective)
16:28:24 <Mike_Pluke> Familiar design is one that is particularly beneficial in relation to dementia
16:28:25 <Pietro> extra symbols for me
16:29:39 <Mike_Pluke> Should add extra symbols
16:32:33 <Mike_Pluke> Familiar design might survive at AAA because if it is not easy to do it won't be done, but it is not testable (unless we rely on personalization)
16:34:09 <lisa> famiuere design and chunking lets leave abit for now and see how it fgoes
16:34:34 <JohnRochford> chunking = manageable blocks, correct?
16:35:11 <JohnRochford> Lisa: Yes, manageable blocks = chunking.
16:35:32 <Mike_Pluke> Language support, extra symbols top ones
16:35:35 <lisa> zakim, next item
16:35:35 <Zakim> I see a speaker queue remaining and respectfully decline to close this agendum, lisa
16:35:40 <lisa> q?
16:35:46 <JohnRochford> q-
16:35:47 <lisa> ack j
16:35:49 <lisa> zakim, next item
16:35:49 <Zakim> agendum 2. "wording for understanding sections" taken up [from lisa]
16:36:55 <lisa> https://www.w3.org/TR/UNDERSTANDING-WCAG20/minimize-error-reversible-all.html
16:36:58 <Mike_Pluke> 2 understanding sections for those that have got through
16:37:55 <lisa> https://www.w3.org/TR/UNDERSTANDING-WCAG20/text-equiv-all.html
16:39:24 <Mike_Pluke> John took a good stab at the understanding section for accessible authentication (next link)
16:40:15 <lisa> zakim, next item
16:40:15 <Zakim> agendum 3. "AAA list (see status: https://rawgit.com/w3c/coga/master/extension/status.html,   )" taken up [from lisa]
16:40:55 <lisa> action: send out reminder about the new time
16:40:55 <trackbot> Error finding 'send'. You can review and register nicknames at <http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/cognitive-a11y-tf/track/users>.
16:42:20 <lisa> zakim, next item
16:42:20 <Zakim> agendum 4. "the supplement, moving forward" taken up [from lisa]
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16:43:55 <lisa> https://github.com/w3c/wcag21/issues/21
16:44:01 <Mike_Pluke> Task completion is the only one we are still thinking of pushing ahead at AA
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16:44:59 <lisa> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-cognitive-a11y-tf/2017Jul/0064.html
16:45:04 <lisa> the attachement
16:45:46 <Mike_Pluke> The link above contains the understanding for accessible authentication (referred to above in the minutes)
16:47:57 <Mike_Pluke> Task completion: was really about voice menu systems (which is relevant because of VoiceML)
16:50:15 <JohnRochford> At Lisa's request, John sent the list his first version of the Accessible Authentication SC understanding section.
16:50:33 <lisa> https://rawgit.com/w3c/coga/master/issue-papers/voice-menus.html
16:51:48 <Mike_Pluke> Sources to support some of the proposals in Task Completion are in the Issue Paper (link above)
16:54:40 <kirkwood> I do think completion is important.
16:55:38 <kirkwood> Such as booking a multistep process such as  travel booking.
16:56:23 <kirkwood> Especially when aging comunity cant book their tickets.
16:57:20 <kirkwood> But a zero for operator would make it accessible.
17:00:16 <JohnRochford> Must go now.
17:00:44 <kirkwood> could you repeat again?
17:01:01 <janina> present+
17:01:01 <kirkwood> see strength in both
17:01:07 <janina> zakim, who's here?
17:01:07 <Zakim> Present: Mike_Pluke, lisa, kirkwood, JohnRochford, Pietro, janina
17:01:09 <Zakim> On IRC I see AndyHeath2, Pietro, kirkwood, shari, JohnRochford, kirkwood_, Mike_Pluke, RRSAgent, Zakim, lisa, MichaelC, janina, trackbot
17:08:54 <lisa> https://github.com/w3c/wcag21/issues/21
17:10:29 <Mike_Pluke> Current SC has a very broad scope of any multi-step process, but the VoiceML related text we have been discussing is an extremely narrow scope.
17:11:08 <AndyHeath2> test
17:11:25 <Mike_Pluke> The VoiceML example could be one technique that relates to the broad scope SC - but not necessarily be the thing that limits its scope
17:12:29 <lisa> rrsagent, make logs public
17:12:49 <lisa>  rrsagent, create minutes
17:12:49 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2017/07/24-coga-minutes.html lisa
17:13:16 <Mike_Pluke> The current "SC for viewing text" has a broad scope - but has been hard to get accepted by the AG group
17:33:52 <lisa> https://rawgit.com/w3c/coga/master/gap-analysis/table.html
17:40:40 <lisa> zakim, please part
17:40:40 <Zakim> leaving.  As of this point the attendees have been Mike_Pluke, lisa, kirkwood, JohnRochford, Pietro, janina
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17:41:11 <lisa> rrsagent, please part
17:41:11 <RRSAgent> I see 2 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2017/07/24-coga-actions.rdf :
17:41:11 <RRSAgent> ACTION: lisa check with david mackdonald, on feedback back issue 54 [1]
17:41:11 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2017/07/24-coga-irc#T16-25-51
17:41:11 <RRSAgent> ACTION: send out reminder about the new time [2]
17:41:11 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2017/07/24-coga-irc#T16-40-55