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05:04:01 <Avneesh> zakim, who is present
05:04:01 <Zakim> I don't understand 'who is present', Avneesh
05:05:06 <Avneesh> zakim, who's present
05:05:06 <Zakim> I don't understand 'who's present', Avneesh
05:05:20 <Avneesh> zakim, who is here?
05:05:20 <Zakim> Present: (no one)
05:05:22 <Zakim> On IRC I see RRSAgent, Avneesh
05:05:57 <Avneesh> zakim, [please]leave
05:05:57 <Zakim> I don't understand '[please]leave', Avneesh
05:06:22 <Avneesh> bye
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05:12:55 <Avneesh> Zakim: scribe Avneesh
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05:14:03 <Avneesh> zakim, [scribe] Avneesh
05:14:03 <Zakim> I don't understand '[scribe] Avneesh', Avneesh
05:15:36 <Avneesh> Avneesh minute-taker
05:20:15 <Avneesh> [please] help
05:20:41 <Avneesh> zakim, help
05:20:41 <Zakim> Please refer to http://www.w3.org/2001/12/zakim-irc-bot for more detailed help.
05:20:43 <Zakim> Some of the commands I know are:
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05:22:26 <Avneesh> zakim, ack next
05:22:27 <Zakim> I see no one on the speaker queue
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05:23:21 <Zakim> leaving.  As of this point the attendees have been Avneesh
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16:01:34 <Avneesh> chair: Avneesh
16:01:43 <rdeltour> present+
16:01:49 <clapierre> present+
16:02:08 <George> present+ George
16:02:41 <laudrain> Avneesh: 4 topics, equal time
16:03:20 <laudrain> … 1. Update on WCAG
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16:03:37 <laudrain> … background
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16:03:54 <laudrain> WCAG 2.1 incermental relaese
16:04:12 <laudrain> … rtry to add aas much as possible
16:04:35 <laudrain> .. biggest place is a11Y metadata
16:04:46 <laudrain> … logical order
16:05:14 <laudrain> … multiple ways of nav, page number, techniques for it
16:05:45 <laudrain> … in the same state of 111Y technique IDPF
16:06:27 <laudrain> issues : deeply nested heading, escapabilitty if text and in audio, prononciation lexicon
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16:06:41 <Avneesh> q?
16:06:42 <Bill_Kasdorf> present+
16:06:42 <tzviya> q+
16:07:05 <laudrain> George: we know what we can have in 2.1, and then continue
16:07:32 <laudrain> … we should have the requirement into ???
16:07:45 <tzviya> ack tz
16:07:51 <Avneesh> ack next
16:08:31 <laudrain> Tzviya: make sure that any docuement from DPUB is not the same from this group
16:08:41 <Avneesh> q?
16:08:49 <laudrain> … review that docs, with new people in the group
16:08:53 <tzviya> http://w3c.github.io/dpub-accessibility
16:09:30 <laudrain> … see note and review with the larger PWG
16:09:45 <tzviya> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-ig/2017JulSep/0026.html
16:10:01 <laudrain> … headings and iFrame : WCAG doesn’t address heading requirements
16:10:36 <George> q+
16:10:46 <laudrain> Avneesh: big picture : put the requiremnt to PWG and WCAG
16:11:14 <laudrain> Tzviya: put notes together in a wiki
16:11:16 <Avneesh> ack next
16:11:16 <tzviya> final version of DPUB note: https://www.w3.org/TR/dpub-accessibility/
16:11:41 <laudrain> George: cnnaot be reuqiremtn in Publishing?
16:12:18 <laudrain> … If it cannot go to WACG?
16:12:42 <laudrain> Avneesh: this group write with teh same structure taht WCAG
16:12:46 <clapierre> s/WACG/WCAG
16:12:57 <laudrain> s/taht/as/
16:13:24 <clapierre> s/teh/the/
16:13:25 <laudrain> … collaboraiton PWG ans WAI
16:13:55 <laudrain> Avneesh: what do we want to accomplish?
16:14:02 <Avneesh> q?
16:14:09 <laudrain> s/Avneesh/Tzviya/
16:14:28 <laudrain> … what we want to add to ARIA, to WCAG
16:14:56 <laudrain> George: nested heading not WCAG, put in Pub?
16:15:12 <laudrain> More stringent in Pub than in general Web?
16:15:33 <laudrain> Avneesh: be modular
16:16:02 <laudrain> … tioday, what is the scope of this docuemtn?
16:16:18 <laudrain> Tzviya: not a formal docuemetn, oon a wiki
16:16:48 <laudrain> … refreshed regularly
16:17:16 <laudrain> Avneesh: it will mature as a workgroup note
16:17:36 <Avneesh> q?
16:17:49 <clapierre> 	q+
16:17:54 <laudrain> Matt: make sure the WP is accessible, may feed technique on going
16:18:11 <laudrain> Avneesh: start inmmediately on this doc
16:18:16 <laudrain> +1
16:18:47 <Bill_Kasdorf> q+
16:18:57 <laudrain> George: hard core req difficult to put forward, but with SHOULD, as company accomplish the best as possible
16:19:19 <laudrain> Avneesh: let’s put the high level req
16:19:37 <laudrain> … within this group
16:19:47 <Avneesh> q?
16:19:55 <tzviya> ack cl
16:20:17 <laudrain> Charles: agreee wiki approach
16:20:52 <laudrain> … list of SHOULD or MAY, pu MUST in the publishing side of it
16:21:17 <tzviya> ack bi
16:21:24 <laudrain> Avneesh: Start in conceptuel form, and put technqiue with PWG spec
16:21:28 <Avneesh> q?
16:21:52 <laudrain> BillK: recommandation differ from WP/PWP/EPUB4
16:22:10 <laudrain> … lore stringent for EPUB
16:22:31 <tzviya> s/lore/more
16:22:38 <laudrain> Tzviya: first draft as a struture, and fills gaps afterwards
16:22:57 <Avneesh> q?
16:23:05 <laudrain> Avneesh: peinciples are the same even if techniques differ
16:23:37 <laudrain> George: more req difficult to address if it doesn’t exist in WP
16:24:01 <laudrain> 2. Horizontal review
16:24:22 <laudrain> Avneesh: check list from first draft
16:24:53 <Avneesh> q?
16:24:57 <laudrain> … comments?
16:25:01 <Avneesh> http://w3c.github.io/apa/fast/checklist.html
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16:25:52 <laudrain> Tzviya: not a formal hor rev, keep an eye on ways to accomplish thing not accessible
16:26:16 <laudrain> Matt: need to ne involved in discussions
16:26:40 <Avneesh> q?
16:26:54 <laudrain> … s/ ne /  be /
16:27:19 <laudrain> Avneesh: put an a11y label in GH?
16:27:33 <laudrain> Tzviya: Gh is now chaos
16:27:33 <Avneesh> q?
16:27:57 <laudrain> … more smaller issues easier to understand
16:28:26 <laudrain> … the nalme of the issue should alert on a11y
16:28:33 <laudrain> s/nalme/name/
16:29:05 <laudrain> Avneesh: nav doc discussion, a11y don’t come in
16:29:24 <laudrain> … navigation shoudl be provided by the UA
16:29:48 <Avneesh> q?
16:30:09 <laudrain> Matt: we need clarity on req for the UA
16:30:45 <Avneesh> q?
16:30:55 <laudrain> Tzviya: philsophical questions not in GH, but il call
16:31:06 <laudrain> s/il/in/
16:31:56 <laudrain> Avneesh: what it means to make things accessible for a UA?
16:31:57 <Avneesh> q?
16:32:15 <laudrain> … make that this is undertood, not only technology
16:32:48 <laudrain> 3.  Assign group members for acting as liaison with other W3C groups
16:33:05 <Avneesh> q?
16:33:22 <laudrain> Avneesh: WCAG: Avnessh, Matt, Romain
16:33:24 <rdeltour> q+
16:33:34 <Avneesh> q?
16:33:46 <laudrain> Tzviya: if you need me?
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16:34:15 <Avneesh> q?
16:34:15 <laudrain> Matt: we need to do a review to he group for 2.1 progression
16:34:17 <clapierre> q=
16:34:20 <clapierre> Q+
16:34:47 <George> q+
16:34:57 <laudrain> Romain: AG group but not in plenary
16:35:18 <laudrain> Avneesh: agenda is sent in advance
16:35:28 <rdeltour> q?
16:35:32 <rdeltour> ack rd
16:35:33 <rdeltour> ack cl
16:35:51 <Avneesh> q?
16:35:54 <laudrain> Charles:  enough people monitoring, look agenda items, posting that wood be interesting
16:36:15 <laudrain> …ok for metadate discussion
16:36:24 <rdeltour> ack G
16:36:32 <Avneesh> q?
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16:36:44 <laudrain> George: let the grou know when we need to join
16:36:55 <Avneesh> q?
16:36:57 <laudrain> Avneesh: APA ?
16:37:22 <laudrain> George: ??? attends and chairs the APA
16:37:31 <Avneesh> q?
16:37:32 <clapierre> Isn't Jason White also on APA?  not sure if Jason is also active or participating with this group
16:37:57 <laudrain> … we should familiarise with their checklist
16:38:20 <laudrain> Tzviay: Jason also
16:38:35 <Avneesh> q?
16:38:44 <laudrain> s/Tzviay/Tzviya/
16:39:03 <laudrain> Jason: just join from the WCAG meeting, on metadata
16:39:20 <laudrain> Avneesh: ARIA?
16:39:23 <Avneesh> q?
16:39:29 <clapierre> q+
16:40:06 <laudrain> Jason: ARIA 1.1 goes to rec
16:40:31 <laudrain> Avneesh: Tzviya and Charles already there
16:40:38 <Avneesh> q?
16:41:05 <laudrain> George: relation between DPUB ARIA and ARIA?
16:41:20 <Avneesh> q?
16:41:28 <tzviya> q+
16:41:31 <tzviya> ack cl
16:41:34 <laudrain> Charles: co-chairing the personalization TF in ARIA
16:42:04 <laudrain> Tzviya: oen oher TF with ARIA : the CSS ARIA TF
16:42:17 <Avneesh> q?
16:42:29 <tzviya> ack t
16:42:31 <laudrain> … could someone join?
16:42:56 <laudrain> Jason: need to be strategic in group involvement
16:43:07 <laudrain> Avneesh: priority?
16:43:18 <laudrain> Tzviya: very helpful
16:43:20 <Avneesh> q?
16:43:42 <laudrain> Jason: new layout features and AT
16:44:20 <laudrain> … how screen reader lanage that, box and grid layout, CSS doen’t reflex the DOM order
16:44:56 <laudrain> … how to make things available for the AT
16:45:55 <Avneesh> q?
16:45:56 <laudrain> Avneesh: ??? TF?
16:46:08 <tzviya> s/???/Silver
16:46:09 <laudrain> s/???/ACT/
16:46:10 <Avneesh> q?
16:47:16 <laudrain> Jason: incrementally add req, or larger scale revision : AG has not decided yet
16:47:40 <laudrain> Avneesh: right time to influence or wait?
16:47:53 <laudrain> Jason: wait after 2.1
16:48:06 <laudrain> … not possible to add in 2.1
16:48:45 <laudrain> Jason: AG mostly developing suvey to gather req
16:49:00 <laudrain> … input in their survey process?
16:49:35 <laudrain> Avneesh: Task forces, Cognitiv TF?
16:49:56 <Avneesh> q?
16:50:10 <laudrain> Tzvia: cogo has become the personalisation TF
16:50:21 <tzviya> s/Tzvia/Tzviya
16:50:41 <Avneesh> q?
16:50:53 <laudrain> Jason: digital pub should be represented there
16:51:38 <laudrain> Avneesh: WAI?
16:51:59 <laudrain> Tzviya: I’ve the emails
16:52:08 <Avneesh> q?
16:52:17 <tzviya> q+
16:52:51 <laudrain> Jason: EO group
16:53:03 <tzviya> EOWG charter https://www.w3.org/WAI/EO/2015/charter6-2015-09
16:53:09 <laudrain> … AG request for review
16:53:33 <Avneesh> q?
16:53:37 <laudrain> Avneesh: liaison form this group or the business group?
16:54:10 <laudrain> Tzviya: the BISG is involved with EO
16:54:18 <Avneesh> q?
16:54:23 <tzviya> ack t
16:54:30 <laudrain> … be more familair with the work there
16:54:53 <laudrain> BillK: ACrep in EO, more engemenent
16:55:19 <Avneesh> q?
16:55:23 <laudrain> BiilK: liaison with this group
16:56:00 <laudrain> Avneesh: other groups?
16:56:02 <Avneesh> q?
16:56:27 <Mia> Q+
16:56:46 <laudrain> George: EO, training materiel an best practices, would be great to have it for pub
16:57:01 <laudrain> … EO meets at CSUN
16:57:02 <Avneesh> q?
16:57:09 <tzviya> ack m
16:57:25 <Avneesh> q?
16:57:33 <laudrain> Mia: can join in for EO as well
16:57:57 <laudrain> 4. Work on audio sync text.
16:58:09 <laudrain> Avneesh: MO is not W3C
16:58:24 <Avneesh> q?
16:58:42 <Mia> *Waves back at Tsviya :)
16:58:57 <laudrain> ??? get away from smile, choice betwaeen flat list or something more structured
16:59:13 <tzviya> s/???/Marisa
16:59:26 <clapierre> zakim, who is here?
16:59:26 <Zakim> Present: tzviya, mattg, Avneesh, laudrain, rdeltour, clapierre, George, Bill_Kasdorf
16:59:26 <laudrain> Avneesh: what are the minimal req for browsers?
16:59:29 <Zakim> On IRC I see JM, BenS, Mia, Bill_Kasdorf, MarisaD, rdeltour, laudrain, George, mattg, Zakim, RRSAgent, tzviya, Avneesh, clapierre
16:59:37 <Bill_Kasdorf> s/smile/SMIL
16:59:44 <laudrain> … start with the req
16:59:49 <Avneesh> q?
16:59:52 <laudrain> Marisa: ok
17:00:16 <Avneesh> q?
17:00:20 <laudrain> Avneesh: work with Marisa and Daniel on this doc
17:00:59 <laudrain> Daniel: in Redium2, working with a replacement of smile in JSON syntax
17:01:21 <tzviya> q+
17:01:27 <laudrain> … clipping in and out, reusing existing Web technologies
17:01:47 <Avneesh> q?
17:01:54 <laudrain> … slidly ahead in Readium2 project
17:02:39 <laudrain> Tzviya: great, but for the rec, we have to write
17:03:00 <Avneesh> q?
17:03:06 <tzviya> ack t
17:04:22 <laudrain> Avneesh: meeting every week? do we need a poll?
17:04:42 <laudrain> … poll tommorrow
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17:05:33 <Avneesh> rrsagent, make logs public
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17:05:55 <Avneesh> rrsagent, make the minutes
17:05:55 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2017/07/20-pwg-a11y-minutes.html Avneesh
17:08:46 <Avneesh> rsagent, bye
17:09:15 <Avneesh> rrsagent, bye
17:09:15 <RRSAgent> I see no action items