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We don't want to create a new fragment identifier. 16:16:55 garth has joined #pwg 16:17:31 ... Content model, core media types, nobody assigned. Anybody volunteers? leave for now. 16:17:37 q+ 16:17:40 ack l 16:17:59 ... Document level annotations: isn't it about Web Annotations? 16:18:27 q+ 16:18:35 ack bi 16:18:39 Leonard: it should be much further down. 16:18:54 "Document (or Publication) level annotation" == identifier, doesn't it? 16:19:06 BillK: is it at the publication level or document level? 16:19:17 Web Annotation covers everything that can be identified. 16:19:19 Leonard: publication 16:19:20 @bigbluehat - maybe :) 16:19:25 Just need specs for identification (and location) 16:19:28 Web Anno covers how to describe the annotation, not what is done with it... 16:19:40 agreed that once we know what the identifier is, that it may be automatic 16:19:51 Tzviya: metadata 16:20:27 Luc: I can deal with that. Serialization is to be decided; first it is needed to list the necessary metadata 16:20:50 Tzviya: and the minimum set of metadata a publication must support 16:21:00 garth has joined #pwg 16:21:11 Hugh McGuire: I volunteer 16:21:32 yes we are working on open textbooks / open monographs on the web. boris can work on metadata. 16:21:44 Tzviya: Manifest. There has been extensive discussion already 16:21:59 ... Navigation is assigned to Avneesh & George 16:22:25 George: we'll check all aspects of navigation 16:23:09 garth has joined #pwg 16:23:29 Tzviya: Sync media, in the a11y taskforce? 16:23:51 Avneesh: join work btw DAniel, Marisa and a11y taskforce 16:24:00 q+ 16:24:12 ack l 16:24:18 Tzviya: Implementation issues; maybe we'll deal with it as it comes up 16:24:29 Leonard: let's keep it as a placeholder 16:24:59 Tzviya: Personnalization, Mateus 16:25:35 q? 16:26:07 q+ 16:26:12 Mateus: I'm planning at starting a call for participation this week. Especially User to reading environment. Less clear on the Authoring aspect. -> Mostly from a publisdher perspective. 16:26:19 garth has joined #pwg 16:26:57 ack l 16:26:58 s/publisdher/publisher/ 16:27:48 Leonard: one of the first thing we should discuss is understanding where we drow the line btw the author and user's needs. 16:27:54 BenSchroeter has joined #pwg 16:27:58 Mateus: that makes sense. 16:28:08 q+ 16:28:25 *+1 to @leonard on personalization 16:28:51 ack l 16:30:10 +1 16:30:16 q+ 16:30:20 ack l 16:31:32 Laurent: Jiminy is working on the Readium baseline CSS, which includes questions like how to get a night mode and GUI personalization working in front of complex CSS in ebooks. This will be usable as input for this taskforce. 16:31:48 Leonard: at Adobe we has an initiative along the same lines 16:32:14 Tzviya: for each section, do you have what you need? 16:32:21 we've been focusing on typographic areas most recently (font size, font choice, colors, etc) 16:33:19 how do i get in speaker queue? 16:33:44 *@hughmcguire: type q+ 16:33:55 great! thank you. 16:33:57 q+ 16:34:00 Tzviya: tools are calls for participation, write a paragraph and send it for review, open a github issue and wait for people to yield at you. 16:34:01 +q 16:34:08 * you're welcome! 16:35:09 ack l 16:36:05 ack mu 16:36:08 Tzviya: you can write in a Google doc if you like 16:36:16 draft doc: https://github.com/w3c/wpub/blob/master/index.html 16:36:49 Makoto: what will be the status of the working draft: an agreed paper or a collection of sections not totally agreed? 16:36:54 q+ 16:37:15 Tzviya: the published WD should be agreed by consensus. 16:37:38 ack av 16:38:19 Avneesh: the a11y TF: we want to come on with a plan 16:39:20 Tzviya: Garth will be back in August 16:39:31 s/Garth/Ivan 16:40:30 https://github.com/w3c/wpub/issues/6#issuecomment-314486416 16:40:34 tzviya: last week we went through the issues is github. We have a lot of repetition and some confusion on what we have to accomplish. 16:41:24 tzviya: issue 6 is maybe the most important; it is about the abstract model, not the serialization. 16:41:59 I hear lots of noise. 16:42:14 Sorry we cannot follow Dave, too much noise 16:42:16 Dave: a WP is a collection of Web resources (very difficult to follow, white noise) 16:43:27 Identifier of WP. 16:43:27 Identification as a WP 16:43:27 List of publication resources. 16:43:27 Reading order. 16:43:28 Metadata. 16:43:28 Nav doc. 16:43:36 dauwhe: manifest is just information about the publication as a whole 16:44:59 q+ 16:45:02 q+ 16:45:03 Looks sensible. 16:45:06 ack d 16:45:10 looks sensible to me! 16:45:31 Dave: made some experimenting this morning. 16:46:06 q? 16:46:26 Please Caller 02, mute, too much noise 16:46:38 q+ 16:46:42 FYI: OOXML allows embedded OOXML via OLE. 16:46:44 q+ 16:46:48 ack l 16:46:59 @murata - yes and it's hideous! 16:47:43 Luc: seems that some info like metadata may be optional in WP and mandatory in EPUB4. E.g a title. Is it a decision? 16:47:45 ack t 16:47:57 Tzviya: decision to be taken in the metadata TF 16:48:45 @dauwhe - IIRC it does not 16:49:47 isrelatedto? 16:50:15 isBasedOn 16:50:33 isVersion/RenditionOf? 16:50:33 q+ 16:50:37 ack b 16:50:45 ack a 16:50:55 q+ 16:51:42 q+ 16:51:44 Avneesh: navigation, before making it optional, are we sure that we can infer it from the content? 16:52:40 Tzviya: mostly because a single page publication does not need it. But all docs I've seen have a navigation. 16:53:24 ack b 16:54:16 q+ 16:54:20 ack l 16:54:22 I don't think that we have to reach consensus about that yet. 16:54:48 BillK: basic question; could the identifier of the WP be the URL of the first item in the spine? 16:55:03 Tzviya: no answer at the moment 16:55:11 Hadrien has joined #pwg 16:55:24 ack d 16:55:37 3 mins 16:56:13 don't make it anything that has a file extension in it...whatever else you do. Not .html and not .json. The web doesn't have file extensions. 16:56:31 s/URL of the first item in the spine/URL or URI or IRI of the manifest 16:58:01 @hadrien - yes, because sniffing is such a good idea :( 16:58:07 Tzviya: we need a decision on this subject. Some people spent time on it already. But we need more manageable github issues 16:59:03 @leonardr we have media types for that 16:59:32 @hadrien we *should* have them, but the HTML spec doesnt actually care about those either. 16:59:50 laudrain has left #pwg 16:59:53 rrsagent, make logs public 17:00:03 clapierre1 has left #pwg 17:00:05 rrsagent, make minutes 17:00:05 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2017/07/17-pwg-minutes.html tzviya 17:00:06 Murata has left #pwg 17:00:31 laurentlemeur has left #pwg 17:01:39 cmaden2 has left #pwg 17:05:04 Karen has joined #pwg 17:51:47 tzviya has joined #pwg 19:13:14 Zakim has left #pwg