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15:48:14 <trackbot> Meeting: Accessible Platform Architectures Working Group Teleconference
15:48:14 <trackbot> Date: 12 July 2017
15:49:14 <janina> agenda?
15:49:19 <janina> agenda+ preview agenda with items from two minutes
15:49:19 <janina> agenda+ TPAC 2017 https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/Meetings/TPAC_2017
15:49:19 <janina> agenda+ Task Force Checkins
15:49:19 <janina> agenda+ Push API Response https://github.com/w3c/push-api/issues/259
15:49:20 <janina> agenda+ Actions Checkin (Specs) https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/products/8
15:49:21 <janina> agenda+ new on TR http://www.w3.org/TR/tr-status-drafts.html
15:49:24 <janina> agenda+ Other Business
15:49:26 <janina> agenda+ next and future meetings
15:49:29 <janina> agenda+ be done
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16:00:36 <janina>  prepresent+
16:00:39 <janina> present+
16:00:44 <janina> chair: janina
16:09:17 <Gottfried> scribe: me
16:09:23 <Gottfried> scribe: Gottfried
16:09:27 <MichielBijl> present+
16:09:32 <Gottfried> present+
16:09:33 <janina> zakim, next item
16:09:33 <Zakim> agendum 1. "preview agenda with items from two minutes" taken up [from janina]
16:10:03 <Gottfried> Janina: Start conversation today about some formal comments.
16:10:36 <Gottfried> Michiel: Starting for a Dutch company in Aug. Not a member of W3C.
16:12:10 <Gottfried> Michael: High time to have a f2f in Germany.
16:12:45 <Gottfried> Gottfried: If it is just APA, i can look into hosting it at Stuttgart Media University.
16:12:53 <Gottfried> Janina: Could be together with one of our subgroups.
16:13:23 <Gottfried> Gottfried:  We have rooms to fit about 30 persons. But should be in a time with no lectures.
16:13:29 <janina> zakim, next item
16:13:29 <Zakim> agendum 2. "TPAC 2017 https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/Meetings/TPAC_2017" taken up [from janina]
16:13:58 <Gottfried> Janina: I will start working on the agenda.  In particular, cross-groups.
16:14:00 <janina> zakim, close this item
16:14:00 <Zakim> agendum 2 closed
16:14:02 <Zakim> I see 7 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
16:14:02 <Zakim> 3. Task Force Checkins [from janina]
16:14:02 <janina> zakim, next item
16:14:03 <Gottfried> ... Please book your travel
16:14:03 <Zakim> agendum 3. "Task Force Checkins" taken up [from janina]
16:14:38 <Gottfried> Michael: Rosson did not reply yet.  I told Chris about it.
16:15:15 <Gottfried> Janina: New co-facilitator for CSS tf - Ian Pouncey from Paciello Group.
16:15:24 <Gottfried> ... Trying to get the co-chairs together.
16:15:57 <Gottfried> Michael: No progress on coga gap analysis.
16:16:15 <Gottfried> Janina: I saw the tf draft for personalization.
16:16:28 <Gottfried> Michael: I have incorporated Leoni's comments.
16:16:41 <Gottfried> ... Looks like the Wiki covers most of the issues.
16:17:03 <Gottfried> ... Issue: Connect IRC to GitHub issues. Not sure whether to use this.
16:17:12 <Gottfried> Janina: Somewhat of interest to us.
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16:17:30 <tdrake> present+ tdrake
16:18:01 <Gottfried> Janina: Could help us to attach comments to specs.
16:19:14 <Gottfried> Michael: Ted, you and Ian should talk without Rosson, to transfer what you are thinking.  Need to get started even without Rosson.
16:19:32 <Gottfried> Ted: Can we chat on where we like?
16:19:34 <Gottfried> Michael: yes
16:20:01 <janina> zakim, next item
16:20:01 <Zakim> agendum 4. "Push API Response https://github.com/w3c/push-api/issues/259" taken up [from janina]
16:20:41 <Gottfried> Janina: Our comments were quickly dismissed.  We did not get any notification outside GitHub tracking.
16:20:58 <Gottfried> ... We were told: You are asking for a feature from the wrong spec.  The spec referenced is not a W3C spec.
16:21:23 <Gottfried> ... I have a problem with being told to go outside W3C spec to deal with our issue - no process established for this
16:21:42 <Gottfried> ... We should not just let it drop.
16:22:23 <Gottfried> ... Originally came out of payments group to push notifications on a mobile device - could do damage when in a payments transaction.
16:22:51 <Gottfried> ... One of the co-chairs of payments acknowledged this as a general problem, not just for a11y.
16:24:07 <Gottfried> Michael: Mixed mind. I don't know about any process that prohibits us from filing comments on non-W3C technologies. But moving forward in this leaves a gap in W3C specs.
16:24:19 <Gottfried> ... Worried about W3C horizontal review mission.
16:24:39 <Gottfried> ... Not sure what to do.
16:25:13 <Gottfried> ... If we later block advancing due to this dependency - what will happen?
16:25:27 <Gottfried> Janina: Would this be yet another APA formal objection? - Famously disruptive.
16:25:37 <Gottfried> Michael: Makes us look like the bad guys even more.
16:25:53 <Gottfried> ... Not formally objecting when we see a problem is also not good.
16:26:08 <Gottfried> Janina: At least we should push for an appendix.
16:26:39 <Gottfried> Michael: They closed the issue after Leonie said it's good.  But she was not talking on behalf of APA.
16:26:55 <Gottfried> ... None of us had seen Leonie's comment before they closed it.
16:27:26 <Gottfried> ... She was probably not meaning to talk on behalf of APA.
16:27:36 <Gottfried> Janina: She might be our liaison - not sure however
16:28:05 <Gottfried> Michael: Don't remeber if Web APIs was another group - and another liaison.
16:28:35 <Gottfried> Ted: We are asking for the ability to set a user setting for behaviour in case of a push mechanism.  Is this dependent on a personalization service?
16:28:57 <Gottfried> Michael: Push API says how you can make things get pushed. If we talk about controlling this, they say this is notification.
16:29:13 <Gottfried> ... Arguably, you should not have something insular like this.
16:29:36 <Gottfried> Ted: Yes, it is a matter of notification, not push.  Push is a basic function.  Customization should be decided at another level.
16:30:35 <Gottfried> Janina: I am okay with the substance. We can file a comment in this direction.  But W3C should have a marker in here.  We need to be able to rely on this.
16:31:09 <Gottfried> ... Personalization by the app.  We might even want phone calls to be paused for the payment transaction.
16:31:58 <Gottfried> Michael: In a11y consideration section we could mention that we should be aware of the personalization aspect of notification.
16:32:25 <Gottfried> ... Or do we want to go further?
16:33:08 <Gottfried> Janina: We should not request that W3C take over notification. But we should expect that we can express the dependency, and document our concern.
16:33:20 <Gottfried> Janina: I am eager to take this up with the payments people.
16:34:00 <Gottfried> Michael: They could be intending to go to CR any day.
16:34:25 <MichaelC> rrsagent, make minutes
16:34:25 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2017/07/12-apa-minutes.html MichaelC
16:34:25 <Gottfried> Janina: I will see if i can draft something for payments.
16:34:28 <janina> zakim, next item
16:34:28 <Zakim> agendum 5. "Actions Checkin (Specs) https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/products/8" taken up [from janina]
16:35:47 <janina> zakim, close this item
16:35:47 <Zakim> agendum 5 closed
16:35:48 <Zakim> I see 4 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
16:35:48 <Zakim> 6. new on TR http://www.w3.org/TR/tr-status-drafts.html [from janina]
16:35:48 <janina> zakim, next item
16:35:49 <Zakim> agendum 6. "new on TR http://www.w3.org/TR/tr-status-drafts.html" taken up [from janina]
16:35:51 <Gottfried> Michael: No open actions on people who are here - aside from Janina and me.
16:36:22 <Gottfried> Michael: Wide review request on TCML.  We had no comments on it.
16:36:31 <Gottfried> Janina: i can do it
16:36:50 <MichaelC> -> https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/CSS_Fonts_Module_Level_4 CSS Fonts Module Level 4
16:37:26 <Gottfried> This specification defines modifications to the existing CSS Fonts 3 specification along with additional experimental features.
16:37:42 <Gottfried> Michael: Not sure if we are interested in this.
16:37:53 <Gottfried> Janina: Could be useful for low-vision.
16:38:09 <Gottfried> Ted: Yes, there are some interesting things in here.  What does "optical resolution" mean?
16:38:37 <Gottfried> Michael: Optical sizing.  There is color fonts as well.  Could create some a11y challenges.  That would be covered by WCAG.
16:39:38 <Gottfried> Janina: Should we defer this review to some other people in CSS?
16:40:00 <Gottfried> Ted: It should definitely be reviewed.  Everything looks great until someone misuses it.
16:40:11 <Gottfried> ... We should look for hidden things like fading or flashing.
16:40:35 <Gottfried> Janina: Assign it to Ian, and have him talk to Ted. And ask a CSS expert on low vision.
16:40:55 <Gottfried> Michael: We can just assign the issue on CSS Github.
16:42:55 <Gottfried> ... Done
16:43:15 <MichaelC> -> https://www.w3.org/TR/motion-1/ Motion Path Module Level 1
16:43:41 <Gottfried> Motion path allows authors to animate any graphical object along an author specified path.
16:44:02 <Gottfried> Michael: You can define a path and have something move on the path.  It can also rotate along the movement.
16:44:30 <Gottfried> ... It is an animation thing, with all of its issues.
16:45:16 <Gottfried> Michael: I am inclined to not reviewing this.
16:45:22 <Gottfried> Janina: Okay
16:45:27 <janina> zakim, next item
16:45:27 <Zakim> agendum 7. "Other Business" taken up [from janina]
16:45:54 <janina> zakim, next item
16:45:54 <Zakim> agendum 7 was just opened, janina
16:46:05 <janina> zakim, close this item
16:46:05 <Zakim> agendum 7 closed
16:46:06 <janina> zakim, close this item
16:46:07 <Zakim> I see 2 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
16:46:07 <Zakim> 8. next and future meetings [from janina]
16:46:07 <Zakim> I do not know what agendum had been taken up, janina
16:47:06 <Gottfried> zakim, by
16:47:06 <Zakim> I don't understand 'by', Gottfried
16:47:08 <Gottfried> zakim, bye
16:47:08 <Zakim> leaving.  As of this point the attendees have been janina, MichielBijl, Gottfried, tdrake
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16:47:14 <Gottfried> rrsagent, make log public
16:47:19 <Gottfried> rrsagent, draft minutes
16:47:19 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2017/07/12-apa-minutes.html Gottfried