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15:11:19 <lisa_> zakim, this will be  WAI_CogTF
15:11:19 <Zakim> ok, lisa_
15:11:32 <lisa_> regrets: EA
15:15:12 <lisa_> agenda: this   agenda+  review SC, and timelines show status table.sc status: https://rawgit.com/w3c/coga/master/extension/status.html,  issues: https://github.com/w3c/wcag21/issues?q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+label%3ACO
15:15:14 <lisa_> agenda+ personlization task force
15:15:15 <lisa_> agenda+ proposed new wording personlization and undo
15:15:17 <lisa_> agenda+ Adding understanding sections to https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-gl/2017AprJun/0499.html
15:15:18 <lisa_> agenda+ the supplement, moving forward
15:15:20 <lisa_> agenda+ What have we missed for issues page
15:15:22 <lisa_> agenda+ be done
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16:02:13 <lisa_> zakim, next item\
16:02:13 <Zakim> I don't understand 'next item\', lisa_
16:02:17 <lisa_> zakim, next item
16:02:17 <Zakim> agendum 1. "personlization task force" taken up [from lisa_]
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16:03:30 <EA> w3c-coga
16:04:20 <EA> sorry I am so sorry that was not clever it went into the text please delete and should have gone into an email I was sending.
16:04:56 <AWK> s/w3c-coga/
16:05:02 <JohnRochford> present+ JohnRochford
16:05:18 <JohnRochford> present+ AWK
16:05:32 <JohnRochford> present+ lisa_
16:05:43 <JohnRochford> present+ shari
16:05:53 <JohnRochford> present+ EA
16:07:04 <EA> Lisa I am afraid it is cutting out
16:08:30 <lisa_> scribe: JohnRochford
16:08:41 <JohnRochford> present+ kirkwood
16:10:07 <MichaelC> present+
16:10:17 <JohnRochford> Anyone want to join the new ARIA task force?
16:10:33 <JohnRochford> (Lisa is asking.)
16:10:40 <lisa_> zakim, next item
16:10:40 <Zakim> agendum 2. "proposed new wording personlization and undo" taken up [from lisa_]
16:11:05 <AWK> agenda?
16:11:14 <JohnRochford> shari volunteers herself and jan
16:11:31 <MichaelC> http://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/task-forces/personalization/work-statement
16:12:10 <JohnRochford> Michael: The above is the draft work statement for the new ARIA TF.
16:12:47 <JohnRochford> Lisa: The focus of the TF is personalization.
16:13:43 <JohnRochford> Lisa: I'm having trouble understanding objections to the personalization SC.
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16:14:27 <lisa_> For pages that contains interactive controls or with more then one regions, one of the following is true:
16:14:29 <lisa_> -a mechanism is available for personalization of content that enables the user to add symbols to interactive controls OR
16:14:30 <lisa_> -contextual information is available for regions, common form elements, common navigation elements and common interactive controls is programmatically determined.
16:14:32 <lisa_> We would then specify what is included in common form elements, common navigation elements and common interactive controls in the definitions and make sure we have good supporting techniques for each one. I see the definition of common elements listing some of the values of coga-action, coga-field and coga-destination, so it should be very well defined what you need to include.
16:15:52 <JohnRochford> Lisa: If we can introduce it as a AA requirement, that would be huge.
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16:16:30 <Mike_Pluke> present+ Mike_Pluke
16:16:46 <JohnRochford> Lisa: We will define elements and other values.
16:16:55 <kirkwood> present+
16:16:59 <janina> present+
16:17:18 <lisa_> q?
16:17:52 <JohnRochford> Mike: An objection was that two different things were exceptions for the other.
16:18:02 <AWK> q+
16:18:11 <AWK> q+ to ask if this was on last week's call?
16:18:34 <JohnRochford> AWK: Undo was in the minutes for last week.
16:19:16 <JohnRochford> Lisa: Yes, and as a result, I made changes and published to the list.
16:19:43 <JohnRochford> Lisa: Another objection seemed to be it wasn't properly scoped.
16:19:48 <AWK> ack AWK
16:19:48 <Zakim> AWK, you wanted to ask if this was on last week's call?
16:20:13 <JohnRochford> Mike: Another objection was that contextual information was not defined.
16:20:18 <AWK> q+ to say that it seems that the main concerns were around the definitions, or any missing ones
16:21:24 <JohnRochford> Lisa: For anything we want to add, we would have at least 2 techniques.
16:22:38 <JohnRochford> Mike: A problem people are discussing is that the reference doc is not yet created, and we are trying to create it and the SC at the same time.
16:23:15 <JohnRochford> Lisa: Can anyone think of a way to move forward the personalization SC?
16:24:11 <AWK> ack AWK
16:24:11 <Zakim> AWK, you wanted to say that it seems that the main concerns were around the definitions, or any missing ones
16:24:18 <lisa_> q?
16:24:36 <AWK> https://rawgit.com/w3c/wcag21/support-personalization_ISSUE-6/guidelines/#support-personalization
16:24:53 <JohnRochford> AWK: At the link above, there are no definitions.
16:25:23 <JohnRochford> AWK: Are regions testable or not?
16:26:12 <JohnRochford> AWK: We run into trouble when we say something is common or familiar.
16:27:11 <janina> zakim, who's here?
16:27:11 <Zakim> Present: JohnRochford, AWK, lisa_, shari, EA, kirkwood, MichaelC, Mike_Pluke, janina
16:27:12 <JohnRochford> AWK and Lisa are talking about adding the definitions to GitHub.
16:27:14 <Zakim> On IRC I see Mike_Pluke, kirkwood, shari, EA, AWK, JohnRochford, RRSAgent, Zakim, MichaelC, lisa_, trackbot, janina
16:28:27 <JohnRochford> AWK: The COGA TF should think about which SC to push forward.
16:29:07 <JohnRochford> AWK: And think about the cost of focusing on personalization.
16:29:25 <AWK> q+
16:29:38 <AWK> ack awk
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16:30:32 <JohnRochford> AWK: The objections we are getting about the personalization SC are that it is incomplete.
16:30:52 <Pietro> Present+ Pietro
16:32:22 <AWK> q+ to say we don't vote
16:33:17 <JohnRochford> Lisa: (To TF) Please vote on the SC, and review what we have.
16:33:51 <JohnRochford> Michael: The adenda item for tomorrow is Undo, not personalization.
16:34:11 <JohnRochford> agenda, not adenda
16:34:17 <lisa_> https://github.com/w3c/wcag21/issues/38
16:34:46 <JohnRochford> Lisa: Link above is to Undo SC.
16:35:17 <JohnRochford> Lisa: There were substantive changes suggested by Jason and Greg.
16:35:47 <lisa_> https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/COGA_undo/results
16:36:36 <lisa_> https://rawgit.com/w3c/coga/master/extension/status.html
16:36:55 <JohnRochford> Lisa: Which SC should we promote as we work on Undo and Personalization?
16:37:18 <AWK> q+
16:37:24 <JohnRochford> Lisa: For example, which SC do we think we could get through?
16:38:14 <JohnRochford> AWK: I wonder if people have a good idea about the status of the various SC.
16:38:37 <kirkwood> A summary of where we are? a status document would be helpful. Great suggestion
16:38:45 <EA> +1
16:39:09 <JohnRochford> Lisa: There is a status doc, but I have not updated it recently.
16:39:57 <AWK> q+ to make a suggestion to help make the status document
16:40:18 <JohnRochford> Lisa: Chunks, visual presentation, and familar design are SCs we decided not to push forward.
16:40:24 <EA> But would chunks now be dealt with text layout happening with spacing
16:41:54 <JohnRochford> Mike: Interruptions minimum and accessible authentication are the 2 SC we have got through.
16:43:49 <JohnRochford> Mike: One objection to familar design is that standards today are not the same as they were 5 years ago.
16:44:19 <AWK> q+
16:47:05 <JohnRochford> AWK: What may be helpful is that people on the call could look through the issues, take a few, and update their status.
16:47:33 <JohnRochford> Lisa: All I have to do, which I will do now, is update the status of accessible authentication.
16:48:13 <JohnRochford> Lisa: People can review the status doc, then suggest which we can work on next.
16:49:50 <JohnRochford> Lisa: The Status doc should now be updated.
16:50:01 <JohnRochford> See https://rawgit.com/w3c/coga/master/extension/status.html
16:51:41 <JohnRochford> Lisa: We should look at the SC that have not been discussed or pushed forward, and decide which we think are important.
16:52:35 <JohnRochford> Lisa: Should we refine ones already addressed, or focus on ones we have not yet?
16:53:17 <lisa_> q?
16:53:35 <lisa_> ack a
16:53:35 <Zakim> AWK, you wanted to say we don't vote and to  and to make a suggestion to help make the status document and to
16:58:33 <JohnRochford> JohnRochford: Asks Lisa to add his whole last name to the status doc.
16:59:12 <JohnRochford> Mike and Lisa: Discussing task-completion SC.
16:59:57 <JohnRochford> Lisa: To question from JohnRochford about working on chunks SC, says she does not think we could get it through.
17:00:50 <JohnRochford> Lisa: I have to go. Ciao.
17:00:59 <AWK> Need to go to my other call. ttyl.
17:01:47 <EA> I have concerns that chunking is not just about text content but also the look and feel of the web page.
17:03:17 <EA> abstract versus concrete as well as common usage for many users
17:06:26 <lisa_> zakim, next item
17:06:26 <Zakim> agendum 3. "Adding understanding sections to https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-gl/2017AprJun/0499.html" taken up [from lisa_]
17:07:08 <EA> So sorry I must go...
17:07:35 <lisa_> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-gl/2017AprJun/0499.html
17:38:59 <lisa_> rrsagent, make logs public
17:39:09 <lisa_> rrsagent, create minutes
17:39:09 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2017/07/10-coga-minutes.html lisa_
17:39:40 <lisa_> zakim, please part
17:39:40 <Zakim> leaving.  As of this point the attendees have been JohnRochford, AWK, lisa_, shari, EA, kirkwood, MichaelC, Mike_Pluke, janina, Pietro
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17:39:52 <lisa_> rrsagent, please part
17:39:52 <RRSAgent> I see no action items