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18:36:52 <Judy_alt> agenda?
18:36:56 <Judy_alt> agenda+ Confirm scribe, agenda, next meeting date Milestones,
18:36:56 <Judy_alt> agenda+ publications, announcements check Any updates on cross-group doc
18:36:56 <Judy_alt> agenda+ reviews? (personalization, etc) Update on WCAG 2.1 messaging
18:36:56 <Judy_alt> agenda+ including myths debunking?
18:36:56 <Judy_alt> agenda+ Note updated WCAG 2.0 Policy References, with invitation for
18:36:57 <Judy_alt> agenda+ input RQTF Update on RQTF Captcha inputs, and upcoming accessible VR discussion
18:36:59 <Judy_alt> agenda+ Progress on coordinating accessible authentication discussions?
18:37:01 <Judy_alt> agenda+ Publishing meeting at TPAC
18:37:03 <Judy_alt> agenda+ Publishing WG Charter, & coordination with WAI
18:37:05 <Judy_alt> agenda+ Publishing WG is doing with ISO and the EPUB specs.
18:37:07 <Judy_alt> agenda+ TPAC check-in, joint meetings, lodging Announcements, topics,
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18:37:09 <Judy_alt> agenda+ reviews for WAI IG?
18:37:11 <Judy_alt> agenda+ Any other business?
18:37:19 <Judy> zakim, pick a victim
18:37:19 <Zakim> Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose Joanmarie_Diggs
18:37:31 <Judy> zakim, pick a victim
18:37:31 <Zakim> Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose Joanmarie_Diggs
18:37:37 <Judy> zakim, pick a victim
18:37:37 <Zakim> Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose Joanmarie_Diggs
18:37:45 <Judy> scribe: George
18:37:57 <Judy> zakim, take up first item
18:37:57 <Zakim> I don't understand 'take up first item', Judy
18:37:59 <George> George scribing
18:38:08 <tzviya> present+
18:38:11 <Judy> zakim, take up item 1
18:38:11 <Zakim> agendum 1. "Confirm scribe, agenda, next meeting date Milestones," taken up [from Judy_alt]
18:38:34 <Judy> NEXT MEETING DATE IS JULY 21
18:38:48 <Judy> NEXT MEETING DATE IS JULY 19
18:38:58 <George> JB: next meeting July 19
18:39:09 <Judy> zakim, take up next item
18:39:09 <Zakim> agendum 1 was just opened, Judy
18:39:14 <Judy> zakim, close item 1
18:39:14 <Zakim> agendum 1, Confirm scribe, agenda, next meeting date Milestones,, closed
18:39:16 <Zakim> I see 12 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
18:39:16 <Zakim> 2. publications, announcements check Any updates on cross-group doc [from Judy_alt]
18:39:17 <Judy> zakim, take up next item
18:39:18 <Zakim> agendum 2. "publications, announcements check Any updates on cross-group doc" taken up [from Judy_alt]
18:39:42 <Judy> agenda?
18:39:55 <George> JB: publications announcements?
18:40:31 <George> MC: Two published last week, but not nnounced. WCAG 3.1 and ARIA authoring practices
18:41:39 <George> JB: Sean intended to  help, MC: his publications announcements would be brief and just let people know it is out.
18:42:04 <George> JB: JB will take an action to contact Sean on the messaging.
18:42:12 <Judy> s/Sean/Shawn/
18:42:26 <Judy> s/his/her/
18:42:49 <George> MC: would want to set up his own messaging, but does not have clearance.
18:43:31 <George> dJB: MC can you give us a draft of something to propose. Not clear on where to do this in Sean's place.
18:43:49 <Judy> s/Sean/Shawn/
18:44:23 <chaals-o> s/dJB/JB/
18:44:49 <George> JB: Getting something started would be a beefit.
18:44:50 <George> JB: is there something on messaging on ARIA publishing practices.
18:45:08 <chaals-o> s/George scribing/scribe: George
18:45:13 <George> JB: MC, please ARIA for a short summary.
18:45:46 <liam> present+ LiamQuin
18:45:46 <Judy> s/please ARIA/please check with ARIA TF facilitators/
18:45:49 <George> GK Nothing published from PWG
18:46:35 <George> JB: Any announcements that need to be tracked? None mentioned.
18:47:06 <Judy> topic: Any updates on cross-group doc agenda+ reviews? (personalization, etc)
18:47:36 <George> JB: Cross reviews.
18:47:48 <Judy> agenda?
18:48:03 <tzviya> q+
18:48:05 <George> JB: Which groups plan to review the personilization?
18:48:06 <Judy> zakim, close item 2
18:48:06 <Zakim> I see a speaker queue remaining and respectfully decline to close this agendum, Judy
18:48:29 <Judy> zakim, drop item 3
18:48:29 <Zakim> agendum 3, reviews? (personalization, etc) Update on WCAG 2.1 messaging, dropped
18:48:46 <George> TS: Publishing will take a look at it, but not a complete review.
18:49:30 <George> MC: in ARIA they are planning to create a task force and perhaps publishing would be better to join and provide feedback there.
18:50:11 <Judy> zakim, agenda item 4 = Update on WCAG 2.1 messaging, including myths debunking?
18:50:11 <Zakim> I don't understand your question, Judy.
18:50:19 <Judy> agenda item 4 = Update on WCAG 2.1 messaging, including myths debunking?
18:50:28 <George> TS: It seems narrow
18:50:35 <Judy> agendum 4 = Update on WCAG 2.1 messaging, including myths debunking?
18:51:15 <George> JB: anybody else waiting for reviews.
18:51:19 <tzviya> q-
18:51:49 <George> JS: APA would be interested in planning out a comprehensive review.
18:52:18 <George> JB:Can we fit some discussion in? Yes.
18:52:24 <Judy> agenda+ Things potentially missing from current plan for achieving accessibility personalization
18:52:35 <Judy> agenda?
18:52:55 <Judy> zakim, close item 2
18:52:55 <Zakim> agendum 2, publications, announcements check Any updates on cross-group doc, closed
18:52:57 <Zakim> I see 11 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
18:52:57 <Zakim> 4. Update on WCAG 2.1 messaging, including myths debunking?
18:53:11 <Judy> zakim, take up next item
18:53:11 <Zakim> agendum 4. "Update on WCAG 2.1 messaging, including myths debunking?" taken up
18:53:30 <George> JB:f Update on WCAG 2.1 messaging.
18:53:54 <George> JB Shawn has not had a chance to do that yet, but JB would like to capture themes.
18:54:16 <George> JB: Some people think WCAG 2.1 is done,  but it is not.
18:54:52 <George> JB: key reminders continues to be in process. A draft every month? What else is not understood?
18:55:24 <Judy> [JB: Some people think that AGWG not taking up anything from some TFs.]
18:56:02 <Judy> scribe: Judy
18:56:19 <Judy> GK: It isn't clear what additional things can be brought forward.
18:56:35 <Judy> ...For instance, we would like to bring forward some things from publishing.
18:56:49 <MichaelC> q+
18:56:50 <Judy> ...We don't know how much we can integrate further into WCAG 2.1
18:57:00 <tzviya> q+
18:57:06 <Judy> ...Or whether we should plan to move those into Silver.
18:58:06 <Judy> ...in EPUB 3.1 we have accessibility conformance @@ specification including @@ and Techniques, and we refer to WCAG 2.0, but eventually these things need to get integrated into accessibility guidelines/
18:58:09 <MichaelC> ack me
18:58:16 <Judy> scribe: George
18:58:51 <George> MC: tzviya sent a message a week agou with the same question. Chairs have not reacted and MC has put it on his todo list to work on this.GK: unclear
18:59:31 <George> MC We are  Because these requests have not come through a TF it has sliped through.
19:00:07 <George> MC: David McDonald did the original SC write up. We can get together with the chairs.
19:01:29 <tzviya> ack me
19:01:42 <George> TS: MC covered what she would say. If we need to create a task force, but perhaps it is just needs t be
19:02:06 <George> MC: Missing the internal discussions of what is happending in the TF.
19:02:38 <George> MC: We could invite you to the meetings, but need to check with the chairs. TS ping was good.
19:02:38 <Judy> [JB: Back & forth btw George, Tzviya, Michael about how to close the loop on getting this SC written up. MC helpful to have the ping on this.]
19:03:37 <George> JB: Is the ball in MC's court?
19:03:38 <George> MC: MC will remind the chairs on what they want to do next. We might pass the invite on to Matt Garrish.
19:03:51 <George> MC: We do figure out our process in that forum.
19:04:07 <Judy> s/do figure/do need to figure./
19:04:08 <Judy> agenda?
19:04:15 <George> MC: MC has a chat with chairs tomorrow, so might have something after that.
19:05:05 <tzviya> scribenick: Tzviya
19:05:39 <Judy> zakim, take up next
19:05:39 <Zakim> agendum 5. "Note updated WCAG 2.0 Policy References, with invitation for" taken up [from Judy_alt]
19:06:15 <tzviya> JB: WCAG 2.0 policy references have been updated
19:06:37 <Judy> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-ig/2017AprJun/0195.html -- with invitation to update further
19:07:03 <tzviya> ...If you have been tracking legal updates, please make sure that this information is circulated
19:07:12 <Judy> zakim, take up next
19:07:12 <Zakim> agendum 6. "input RQTF Update on RQTF Captcha inputs, and upcoming accessible VR discussion" taken up [from Judy_alt]
19:08:07 <tzviya> JB: The point is to share this information with your groups and TFs. There are more than 40 VR articles
19:08:54 <Judy> s/40 VR/40 gathered VR accessibility/
19:08:55 <tzviya> JS: We are looking to update APA's note on Captcha. RQTF has helped us by looking at the literature. We will request comments
19:09:57 <tzviya> ...In the case of VR, we've asked RQTF to look over articles about VR Accessibility. They've gathered more than 40 articles. The goal is to assess how to make VR accessible.
19:10:41 <tzviya> ...We had a special call about VR with the VR WG. They want to make their specs accessible. We need to follow up with them.
19:11:47 <tzviya> JB: Are there any related discussions from other groups?
19:12:35 <tzviya> JS: We promised the VR people some sort of response about what we think needs to happen. We will give RQTF more time to assess before we meet again.
19:12:38 <Judy> zakim, take up next
19:12:38 <Zakim> agendum 7. "Progress on coordinating accessible authentication discussions?" taken up [from Judy_alt]
19:13:19 <tzviya> JB: Follow up from last meeting, concerns that our spec discussions going in multiple directions
19:13:27 <tzviya> JS: I'm feeling on top of things again
19:13:40 <Judy> zakim, take up next
19:13:40 <Zakim> agendum 8. "Publishing meeting at TPAC" taken up [from Judy_alt]
19:14:23 <tzviya> GK: On 9-10 Nov, there will be a Publishing Summit concurrent with TPAC (1.5 days)
19:14:33 <Judy> s/our spec discussions/authentication discussions/
19:14:43 <janina> q+ To ask whether a different pass is required?
19:14:43 <tzviya> ...I'll register for TPAC on M-W, Summit on Th-F
19:15:10 <tzviya> https://www.w3.org/publishing/events/summit2017
19:15:34 <tzviya> JS: Do you need a different badge? Register separately?
19:15:54 <tzviya> GK: Separate registration
19:18:01 <tzviya> All: Discussion about the nature of Publishing Summit
19:18:11 <Judy> [JB: will check on a question about registrations]
19:18:37 <Judy> agenda?
19:18:59 <Judy> zakim, take up next
19:18:59 <Zakim> I see a speaker queue remaining and respectfully decline to close this agendum, Judy
19:19:28 <tzviya> GK: The publishing WG has been chartered
19:19:29 <tzviya> https://www.w3.org/publishing/groups/publ-wg/
19:19:33 <MichaelC> ack j
19:19:33 <Zakim> janina, you wanted to ask whether a different pass is required?
19:19:37 <MichaelC> zakim, next item
19:19:37 <Zakim> agendum 9. "Publishing WG Charter, & coordination with WAI" taken up [from Judy_alt]
19:19:59 <tzviya> GK: We had a WG/IG/BG Face to Face meeting on June 22 and 23
19:20:47 <tzviya> JB: When will you publish first documents?
19:21:04 <tzviya> GK: FPWD of Web Publications before TPAC
19:21:06 <tzviya> https://www.w3.org/publishing/groups/publ-wg/PublStatus
19:21:37 <tzviya> JB: What coordination do you most want with WAI?
19:21:53 <tzviya> q+
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19:23:20 <George> TS: We are inherting a lot from IDPF. We want to make sure that whatever the PWG does is accessible.
19:23:59 <lisa> can i have the webex password
19:24:05 <George> TS: It would be a good idea to have a formal task force or whatever is appropriate to make sure that.
19:24:41 <George> TS: We have a large group of accessibility folks in PWG and it would be good to capatolize on that work.
19:25:13 <George> TS: we wrote the succ criterias for publishing.
19:25:36 <George> JB: MC do you want to comment?
19:26:03 <lisa> than u
19:26:30 <Judy> s/than u//
19:26:36 <George> JB: either want to give an example.
19:27:13 <George> TS: A navigation document is a recommendation in EPUB  and there has been a long discussion about the use of this type of document.
19:27:42 <Judy> present+ Lisa
19:27:44 <George> TS: There would possible be a benefit to have WAI experts chime in.
19:28:14 <George> MC: This may be an APA issue, because you are crossing boundries.
19:28:51 <George> MC: Some of these may apply to WCAG guidelines. APA might have a better idea on the overall trends that you want to plub into.
19:29:17 <George> MC: Guidelines cannot recommend on technologies not implemented.
19:29:47 <George> MC: It would tak time to evolve.
19:31:23 <George> GK: Perhaps bring this to the PWG  and coordinate with  the multiple working groups involved.
19:32:23 <George> TS: George and TS bring this back to our TF and start to put a list of issues. Avneesh will be the one to lead this.
19:32:43 <Judy> [JB: Encourages you to send issues to WAI CC not just Judy or Michael, to get more perspectives]
19:33:13 <Judy> agenda?
19:33:53 <Judy> agenda order is 10, 14, 11, 13
19:33:59 <Judy> zakim, take up next
19:33:59 <Zakim> I see a speaker queue remaining and respectfully decline to close this agendum, Judy
19:34:07 <Judy> q?
19:34:11 <Judy> ack t
19:34:14 <tzviya> q-
19:34:15 <Judy> zakim, take up next
19:34:15 <Zakim> agendum 10. "Publishing WG is doing with ISO and the EPUB specs." taken up [from Judy_alt]
19:35:26 <George> TS: If JB is aware of the ISO coordination , then perhaps we are good.
19:35:49 <Judy> [JB thinks that Bill was going to raise this, or has already, with liaisons group]
19:35:50 <George> JB: I thought this was going to be addressed by the liaison's group?
19:36:13 <Judy> zakim, take up next
19:36:13 <Zakim> agendum 14. "Things potentially missing from current plan for achieving accessibility personalization" taken up [from Judy]
19:36:20 <George> JB: JB will follow up with Bill on this issue.
19:37:50 <MichaelC> q+
19:39:15 <lisa> q+
19:39:18 <George> GK: scribing
19:39:46 <George> MC: The personilization spec is limited in scope so that WCAG could reference it.
19:39:47 <Judy> scribe: George
19:40:06 <Judy> agenda?
19:40:16 <George> MC: It could be expanded in a future version. Personalozation is important in many areas.
19:40:18 <Judy> zakim, drop item 12
19:40:18 <Zakim> agendum 12, reviews for WAI IG?, dropped
19:40:33 <George> MC: The personalization TF in ARIA would be the home for this.
19:40:46 <George> JS: Do we want the media quiries there too?
19:41:02 <George> MC We need an overall coordination mechanism.
19:41:20 <George> JB: What is the next steps?
19:41:23 <lisa> q+
19:41:58 <Judy> q+
19:42:02 <George> MC: We are in process of forming the TF and it has not been formed. A work statement would need to be created. It is in process, but going slow.
19:42:05 <Judy> ack m
19:42:21 <George> MC: We are not expecting too many from ARIA to be active.
19:42:43 <George> LS: Few points. We have reached out to low vision and there is common ground.
19:42:55 <George> LS: We need to move that forward.
19:43:24 <George> LS:  There is clear overlap with publishing.
19:43:43 <George> GK: I just lost my phone, becaus of weather.
19:43:59 <Judy> scribe: Judy
19:43:59 <George> GK: can somebody else take over on scribing?
19:44:20 <janina> q+ Concerned not to lose momentum with CSS
19:44:20 <Judy> LS: Needs to tie in with the work of IMS wrt accessibility metadata
19:44:43 <janina> q+ Concerned not to lose even more momentum with CSS
19:44:45 <Judy> ...there is this other piece of user settings
19:45:05 <Judy> ...needs some kind of mapping
19:45:14 <Judy> agenda?
19:45:37 <Judy> zakim, drop item 13
19:45:37 <Zakim> agendum 13, Any other business?, dropped
19:48:23 <Judy> rrsagent, make log public
19:48:28 <Judy> rrsagent, make minutes
19:48:28 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2017/07/05-waicc-minutes.html Judy
19:49:13 <Judy> present+ Judy
19:49:35 <janina> scribe: Janina
19:49:52 <janina> janina: Concerned that we use implementable approaches early on to demonstrate viability.
19:49:58 <Judy> present+ George
19:50:02 <Judy> chair: Judy
19:50:09 <Judy> meeting: WAI Coordination Call
19:50:15 <janina> janina: Lisa's ARIA module will do that when implemented as a plugin to Chrome
19:50:30 <janina> janina: CSS is another opportunity for success, especially on fonts, colors, contrast, etc
19:51:20 <lisa> thanks Judy!
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