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12:53:07 <trackbot> Meeting: XForms Users Community Group Teleconference
12:53:08 <trackbot> Date: 05 July 2017
12:53:20 <Steven> Agenda: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xformsusers/2017Jul/0006
12:53:28 <Steven> Steven has changed the topic to: Agenda: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xformsusers/2017Jul/0006
12:53:37 <Steven> Chair: Steven
12:53:42 <Steven> Regrets: Philip
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13:03:54 <Steven> Topic: Coming calls
13:04:32 <Steven> Erik: Tentatively i can join the call on the 17th.
13:05:03 <Steven> Steven: We'll cancel next week.
13:05:31 <Steven> Erik: I'm also not sure of the 26th July
13:05:34 <Steven> Steven: OK
13:05:43 <Steven> Steven: Anyway, no calls in August
13:05:53 <Steven> Topic: Tutorial on data-driven forms
13:05:53 <Steven> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xformsusers/2017Jul/0001
13:06:35 <Steven> Steven: Please comment before I formally publish it
13:06:44 <Steven> Topic: Email type
13:06:44 <Steven> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xformsusers/2017Jun/0038
13:06:44 <Steven> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xformsusers/2017Jun/0040
13:07:23 <Steven> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xformsusers/2017Jul/0009.html
13:07:42 <Steven> Steven: Suggestion, two email types, one for regular ascii adresses
13:07:48 <Steven> s/ad/add/
13:08:06 <Steven> Steven: plus international email address type
13:08:36 <Steven> Steven: Implemented here: http://homepages.cwi.nl/~steven/forms/examples/email.xml
13:11:55 <Steven> Erik: Liam raised the point of strict compatibility
13:12:11 <Steven> Steven: We could add a third type that dealt with that
13:12:31 <Steven> Erik: There may be email addresses at top-level domains
13:13:09 <Steven> ... IETF discourages the use of domains that exist just of one part.
13:13:48 <Steven> ... I don't have a big interest in supporting the strict IETF RFC
13:14:10 <Steven> .. I'm good with the proposed change.
13:14:34 <Steven> Topic: Validation and optional fields
13:14:34 <Steven> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xformsusers/2017Jun/0041
13:14:55 <Steven> Steven: SO you support introducing the new rulem, as I unserstand it Erik
13:14:59 <Steven> ... so do I
13:15:06 <Steven> Erik: Yes.
13:15:18 <Steven> Alain: I'm OK with adopting the new rule
13:15:36 <Steven> ACTION: Steven to adopt new validation rule in text
13:15:37 <trackbot> Created ACTION-2131 - Adopt new validation rule in text [on Steven Pemberton - due 2017-07-12].
13:17:29 <Steven> Erik: SO you will just say "this is how required works now"?
13:17:32 <Steven> Steven: Yes
13:17:41 <Steven> Topic: <reset instance="id"/>
13:17:41 <Steven> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xformsusers/2017Jul/0000
13:18:18 <Steven> Steven: A suggestion from me
13:19:08 <Steven> Erik: If you wanted to reset from a slightly different version of the instance, it would be good to say yourself what the 'initial
13:19:13 <Steven> ' state of an instance is
13:19:19 <Steven> ... we work around this
13:19:29 <Steven> ... by copying the instance somewhere else
13:19:53 <Steven> ... we have no feature that supports it
13:20:07 <Steven> Steven: Do you have a name for the action?
13:20:15 <Steven> Erik: Haven't thought about it
13:20:43 <Steven> Erik: This wouldn't add much complexity. The implementation has to do this anyway
13:21:09 <Steven> Alain: Fine with me too.
13:21:29 <Steven> ACTION: Steven to spec new <reset/> and matching set action
13:21:30 <trackbot> Created ACTION-2132 - Spec new <reset/> and matching set action [on Steven Pemberton - due 2017-07-12].
13:21:45 <Steven> Topic: Submission echo
13:21:45 <Steven> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xformsusers/2017Jun/0042
13:21:54 <Steven> Steven: So Erik you have this already?
13:21:58 <Steven> Erik: Yes.
13:22:04 <Steven> ... mostly for testing
13:22:10 <Steven> ... the name is not thought out.
13:23:19 <Steven> Steven: My fear is having to register a scheme
13:23:32 <Steven> Erik: A scheme is the easiest
13:24:40 <Steven> Steven: I'm not opposed. It's just the extra work
13:24:50 <Steven> Steven: Alain do you have this feature?
13:25:17 <Steven> Alain: Not exactly, because of replace="all" which is hard to do via javascript
13:25:30 <Steven> ... it is possible using a new tab
13:26:29 <Steven> Steven: what would your advice be?
13:26:36 <Steven> Alain: A means to copy instances.
13:26:59 <Steven> Steven: In other words, this needs more thought
13:27:02 <Steven> Alain: Yes.
13:27:16 <Steven> Topic: switch/case
13:27:16 <Steven> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xformsusers/2017Jun/0032
13:27:57 <Steven> Steven: DO you support this? How hard would it be?
13:29:41 <Steven> Erik: This raises a very old question of how you decide whether to display a control
13:30:05 <Steven> ... a standard pattern is ".[condition]"
13:30:35 <Steven> ... and such a condition on case could be more widely applied, for instance for group.
13:30:57 <Steven> Steven: I agree
13:31:19 <Steven> ... so you are saying that if we do this, it should be more general
13:31:24 <Steven> Erik: Possibly.
13:32:43 <Steven> Erik: Actually, with the @name version it works two-way
13:32:47 <Steven> Steven: Ah!
13:33:13 <Steven> ACTION: Steven to think about switch/case and heneral visibility more
13:33:13 <trackbot> Created ACTION-2133 - Think about switch/case and heneral visibility more [on Steven Pemberton - due 2017-07-12].
13:34:13 <Steven> Topic: AOB
13:34:28 <Steven> Steven: No call in one week; possible call in two weeks depending on Erik.
13:34:33 <Steven> [ADJOURN]
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13:35:32 <Steven> Present: Alain, Erik, Steven
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