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14:00:52 <PWinstanley> having webex issues
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14:04:49 <Caroline_> Approving last meeting minutes https://www.w3.org/2017/06/26-dxwg-minutes
14:04:51 <alejandra> Topic: approval of last meeting's minutes
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14:05:55 <Caroline_> mbruemmer could you please introduce yourselF?
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14:08:49 <alejandra> Jaroslav_Pullmann: created MindMap to summarize the use cases
14:09:02 <alejandra> Jaroslav_Pullmann: the purpose is to help identify gaps
14:09:33 <alejandra> Jaroslav_Pullmann: we discussed the use cases for temporal modeling and I tried to summarize the discussion for the time-oriented use cases
14:10:31 <MarkusF> present+ MarkusF
14:10:41 <MarkusF> Hi can someone provide me with the new password?
14:10:50 <alejandra> RESOLUTION: minutes from last meeting approved https://www.w3.org/2017/06/26-dxwg-minutes
14:11:16 <alejandra> Topic: Discussion of modeling funding sources (ID31)
14:11:21 <Caroline_> https://www.w3.org/2017/dxwg/wiki/Use_Case_Working_Space#Modeling_funding_sources
14:11:30 <alejandra> +q
14:11:39 <danielebailo> CAroline I've troubles hering you
14:11:42 <MarkusF> thank you
14:12:02 <Caroline_> ack alejandra
14:12:38 <Caroline_> alejandra: my understanding is that it was considered as an specific use case in the Agent Role. I agree with that
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14:13:08 <Caroline_> q?
14:13:18 <alejandra> as the organization/individual assumes the funder role
14:13:24 <kcoyle> q+
14:13:30 <Caroline_> kcoyle:
14:13:37 <Caroline_> s/kcoyle: /
14:13:42 <Caroline_> ack kcoyle
14:13:42 <SumitPurohit> present+ SumitPurohit
14:13:59 <alejandra> kcoyle: what are we approving? agent role of funder makes sense, but
14:14:09 <alejandra> ... there was an interest in more than funder name
14:14:44 <Caroline_> alejandra: we alse wanted to describe the specific grounds
14:14:50 <Jaroslav_Pullmann> q+
14:14:51 <Caroline_> s/alse/also
14:15:02 <alejandra> s/grounds/grants
14:15:23 <annette_g> +1 for covering grant numbers as well as funders
14:15:31 <alejandra> The modeling funding sources also requires funding agency/identifier/grant/ grant identifier
14:15:41 <alejandra> kcoyle: we need to discuss if this is in the scope of DCAT
14:16:20 <Caroline_> q?
14:16:43 <alejandra> if this is within DCAT scope, then we might need to add more than the agent role
14:16:59 <alejandra> kcoyle: we might need to discuss specific use cases, we will need to see what the elements might be
14:18:24 <Caroline_> ack Jaroslav_Pullmann
14:18:25 <alejandra> I can expand the description to include the specific elements that may need to be described
14:18:38 <alejandra> Jaroslav_Pullmann: with regards to this use case, it would be good to have the requirements
14:18:56 <alejandra> .. e.g. grant number, funding interval, etc
14:19:16 <alejandra> ... include concrete elements on what the funding model should cover
14:19:27 <alejandra> ... I saw this under data lineage model
14:20:00 <alejandra> ... elicitation of the data, it may be related to versioning, what influenced a particular version of the dataset
14:20:11 <alejandra> ... we might need to discuss in the face to face
14:20:40 <SumitPurohit> can it be SUmitPurohit ?
14:21:18 <Caroline_> q?
14:21:32 <alejandra> Caroline_: so, we are going to discuss this in the F2F
14:21:42 <kcoyle> q+
14:21:51 <Caroline_> https://www.w3.org/2017/dxwg/wiki/Use_Case_Working_Space#Modeling_spatial_coverage
14:22:02 <Caroline_> ack kcoyle
14:22:33 <alejandra> Topic: Modeling spatial coverage
14:22:45 <alejandra> Modeling spatial coverage
14:23:06 <kcoyle> PROPOSED: accept ID31 with some additional enumeration of desired elements
14:23:10 <alejandra> +1
14:23:13 <newton> +1
14:23:14 <Caroline_> +1
14:23:14 <Jaroslav_Pullmann> +1
14:23:15 <mbruemmer> +1
14:23:33 <antoine> +1
14:23:34 <DaveBrowning> +1
14:23:40 <annette_g> +1
14:23:44 <SumitPurohit> +1
14:24:20 <kcoyle> RESOLVED: accept ID31 with some additional enumeration of desired elements
14:24:47 <alejandra> Topic: Modeling spatial coverage - https://www.w3.org/2017/dxwg/wiki/Use_Case_Working_Space#Modeling_spatial_coverage
14:25:06 <Caroline_> q?
14:25:16 <alejandra> does anyone want to comment on this use case?
14:26:20 <alejandra> danielebailo: we are doing work on DCAT and CERIF and was wondering if I may add to the use cases
14:26:31 <alejandra> ... wants to know what is the workflow to add use cases
14:26:52 <alejandra> ... go to the Use cases and check if they don't cover what we need to add
14:27:00 <Jaroslav_Pullmann> q+
14:27:02 <alejandra> Caroline_: yes, we need more use cases, so feel free to add
14:27:12 <Caroline_> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BwQz5mWMUijvU3BsZlBIc2t5MFU/
14:27:13 <Jaroslav_Pullmann> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BwQz5mWMUijvU3BsZlBIc2t5MFU/
14:27:22 <alejandra> Caroline_: there is also a mindmap with the use cases
14:27:45 <alejandra> Caroline_: in the main page we have both, list of use cases and the use cases we've agreed that will be included for further discussion
14:27:57 <Caroline_> q?
14:28:02 <Caroline_> ack Jaroslav_Pullmann
14:28:29 <alejandra> Jaroslav_Pullmann: the deadline we stated as beginning of July was to have a critical mass
14:28:42 <alejandra> ... but we will still like to get more
14:28:53 <alejandra> ... the detailed use cases we are missing
14:29:01 <alejandra> ... such as the temporal coverage and spatial coverage
14:29:04 <SumitPurohit> +1
14:29:06 <alejandra> ... maybe the mindmap is helpful
14:29:23 <alejandra> ... you can approach us as editors, but let's add more so that we can discuss in the F2F
14:29:30 <Caroline_> q?
14:29:41 <alejandra> Caroline_: going back to the use cases on spatial coverage
14:29:46 <Jaroslav_Pullmann> q+
14:29:50 <Caroline_> ack Jaroslav_Pullmann
14:30:20 <annette_g> q+
14:30:22 <alejandra> Jaroslav_Pullmann: my position on this, it is definitely needed, we don't have a sanitized means to refer to any formalized expression of spatial areas
14:30:39 <alejandra> ... we need some guidance and suggestions and examples to be provided with the use case
14:30:42 <Caroline_> ack annette_g
14:31:24 <alejandra> annette_g: I'm wondering to what extent people will like to use arbitrary geometries for searching things
14:31:29 <Jaroslav_Pullmann> q+
14:31:38 <alejandra> ... if we allow the query to overlap
14:32:01 <alejandra> ... there would be other datasets that would have multiple random geometric shapes described in them, but this is not at the level of DCAT
14:32:16 <Caroline_> q?
14:32:20 <Caroline_> ack Jaroslav_Pullmann
14:32:21 <alejandra> ... I support the idea, but I wonder if adding them will help answering those types of queries
14:32:33 <alejandra> Jaroslav_Pullmann: this is the application I thought of
14:32:45 <alejandra> ... if you have a GUI you would be interested in a spatial region
14:32:53 <alejandra> ... we need to have overlapping regions
14:33:12 <alejandra> ... query by pointing is the first application I think of
14:33:16 <Caroline_> q?
14:33:16 <MarkusF> Caroline, can you please increase your mic volume?
14:33:19 <alejandra> annette_g: I think this is great
14:33:26 <kcoyle> q+
14:33:36 <Caroline_> ack kcoyle
14:34:00 <alejandra> kcoyle: this is a topic I am not very familiar with, but I think it would be rather difficult to come up with the exact requirement
14:34:11 <mbruemmer> q+
14:34:17 <alejandra> ... for those who do understand and have this need, it would be good to get into more detail
14:34:29 <MakxDekkers> q+
14:34:37 <MakxDekkers> q+
14:34:37 <alejandra> ... it seems like a big topic, and we are going to need to find the sweet spot for DCAT
14:34:53 <alejandra> ... but for that, we will need to know what the different elements are
14:35:26 <annette_g> q+
14:35:34 <Caroline_> ack mbruemmer
14:35:45 <alejandra> kcoyle: maybe this is something to detail for the F2F
14:35:53 <alejandra> mbruemmer: I think it is an interesting use case
14:36:12 <alejandra> ... but I haven't seen real datasets that would be described at a very granular level
14:36:20 <alejandra> ... usually you have a country, region
14:36:25 <Jaroslav_Pullmann> q+
14:36:30 <Caroline_> q?
14:36:34 <alejandra> ... I wonder how pressing is the need to have arbitrary polygons in the metadata
14:36:41 <Caroline_> ack MakxDekkers
14:37:04 <alejandra> MakxDekkers: I think there are enormous amounts of datasets with that shape, e.g. in INSPIRE
14:37:17 <alejandra> ... but Andrea mentions that there is a challenge
14:37:22 <alejandra> ... as there is no standard for this
14:37:37 <alejandra> ... so it seems to me we shouldn't try to solve other people's problems
14:37:52 <alejandra> ... so we should look at Data on the web WG
14:37:55 <Caroline_> ack annette_g
14:38:02 <alejandra> ... and see if this is something we can solve
14:38:15 <alejandra> annette_g: I wanted to mention a specific example
14:38:22 <alejandra> ... samples from ocean
14:38:30 <alejandra> ... collecting organisms for sequencing
14:38:40 <alejandra> ... you need to identify latitute/ longitude
14:38:44 <alejandra> +q
14:39:08 <Caroline_> ack Jaroslav_Pullmann
14:39:08 <alejandra> ... you can imagine writing an application having the geographic data
14:39:30 <alejandra> Jaroslav_Pullmann: I support exactly this application
14:39:36 <alejandra> ... thinking of regions
14:39:59 <alejandra> ... usage is set by implicit search
14:40:22 <Caroline_> q?
14:40:26 <alejandra> ... I would ask a comment to the UC
14:40:28 <Caroline_> ack alejandra
14:40:38 <alejandra> I agree with the addition of spatial coverage
14:40:59 <alejandra> and it can become very granular
14:41:00 <Caroline_> alejandra: it can be very granulary if we go into details
14:41:22 <Caroline_> ... a generic indicating the rotation
14:41:47 <MakxDekkers> in my earlier comment I wanted to say that we need to look for guidance at the *Spatial* Data on the Web WG https://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/wiki/Main_Page
14:42:00 <Caroline_> q?
14:42:03 <kcoyle> q+
14:42:07 <Caroline_> ack kcoyle
14:42:14 <alejandra> in DATS we included a generic entity (Place) and allowed people to include information such as Geo-JSON style
14:42:54 <Caroline_> s/DATS/DCAT
14:43:06 <alejandra> kcoyle: if we can categorize the types of spatial coverage that we need
14:43:10 <Caroline_> s/DCAT/DATS
14:43:16 <alejandra> ... such as political boundaries (country)
14:43:26 <alejandra> ... or points (latitute/ longitude)
14:43:39 <alejandra> ... or boxes (bounded regions/polygons)
14:43:47 <alejandra> ... I see the need to see more categories
14:44:06 <Caroline_> q?
14:44:34 <alejandra> Caroline_: Andrea will also write an email on this
14:44:45 <alejandra> kcoyle: we could resolve that this is an UC to be included
14:44:55 <alejandra> ... but we need to sort out the details
14:45:53 <alejandra> PROPOSAL: We accept the spatial coverage use case (ID29) and we will work out the details in future meetings (F2F, etc)
14:45:57 <alejandra> +1
14:46:00 <Caroline_> +1
14:46:03 <mbruemmer> +1
14:46:06 <SumitPurohit> +1
14:46:09 <newton> +1
14:46:10 <Jaroslav_Pullmann> +1
14:46:12 <MakxDekkers> +1
14:46:12 <MarkusF> +1
14:46:12 <kcoyle> +1
14:46:14 <annette_g> +1
14:46:14 <antoine> +1
14:46:15 <PWinstanley> +1
14:46:18 <DaveBrowning> +1
14:46:51 <alejandra> RESOLUTION: use case on spatial coverage ID29 accepted - more details will be provided
14:47:01 <Caroline_> https://www.w3.org/2017/dxwg/wiki/Use_Case_Working_Space#Data_access_restrictions
14:47:02 <alejandra> Topic: data access restrictions (ID17)
14:47:51 <kcoyle> q+
14:47:54 <antoine> q+
14:47:57 <Caroline_> ack kcoyle
14:48:14 <AndreaPerego> q+ to say that Makx can provide an overview of this one - it's a DCAT-AP related issue
14:48:18 <alejandra> kcoyle: This would overlap with any discussion of copyright and official legal rights
14:48:18 <Jaroslav_Pullmann> q+
14:48:26 <MakxDekkers> q+
14:48:26 <Caroline_> ack antoine
14:48:32 <alejandra> antoine: I think I would agree with Karen
14:48:39 <alejandra> ... this is a very important case
14:48:43 <Caroline_> q?
14:48:55 <alejandra> ... but I would refer to the W3C permission and obligations group has done
14:49:06 <alejandra> ... what people should or should not do with resources on the web
14:49:08 <mbruemmer> q+
14:49:17 <Caroline_> ack AndreaPerego
14:49:17 <Zakim> AndreaPerego, you wanted to say that Makx can provide an overview of this one - it's a DCAT-AP related issue
14:49:17 <AndreaPerego> Please note that this is about "access" conditions. Copyright and licences are about "use" conditions.
14:49:25 <alejandra> ... permission, obligation, expression
14:49:37 <MakxDekkers> q-
14:49:48 <Caroline_> ack MakxDekkers
14:49:53 <antoine> https://www.w3.org/2016/poe/
14:50:32 <alejandra> MakxDekkers: when DCAT-AP was designed in Europe, this kind of information of licenses are provided at the distribution level
14:50:48 <alejandra> ... for people running large catalogs it would be useful if people could see this info in the level of datasets
14:50:52 <alejandra> ... what the kind of data is
14:51:02 <MarkusF> q+
14:51:04 <alejandra> ... in Norway, they present this to the user in the Norwegian portal
14:51:13 <alejandra> ... open data is something you want to tell your users
14:51:24 <alejandra> ... just on the top level, show if it is open data or not
14:51:32 <PWinstanley> +q
14:51:42 <alejandra> ... something that people are doing, and currently there is no way in DCAT to provide that kind of information
14:51:58 <alejandra> ... there is no way to indicate openness
14:52:10 <alejandra> ... but I don't have more information that currently in the use case
14:52:34 <Caroline_> ack Jaroslav_Pullmann
14:53:05 <Jaroslav_Pullmann> still no audio?
14:53:09 <Jaroslav_Pullmann> ok
14:53:12 <AndreaPerego> No audio, sorry.
14:53:26 <Caroline_> ack mbruemmer
14:53:36 <alejandra> mbruemmer: in our use cases, we have catalogs with user groups
14:53:49 <alejandra> ... where different use cases have different access levels
14:53:51 <annette_g> Redaction
14:53:57 <AndreaPerego> present+ AndreaPerego
14:53:58 <alejandra> ... but this would be an extension
14:54:15 <alejandra> ... but this is out of scope
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14:54:20 <alejandra> ... should I add use cases?
14:54:29 <Caroline_> ack MarkusF
14:54:34 <alejandra> +q
14:54:59 <alejandra> MarkusF: we need to differentiate access rights and access restrictions
14:55:08 <AndreaPerego> chair: kcoyle
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14:55:11 <alejandra> for me access restrictions refer to the way of accessing the data
14:55:20 <alejandra> ... e.g. if there is an API involved
14:55:22 <Jaroslav_Pullmann> q+
14:55:25 <alejandra> ... it can be included in the problem
14:55:28 <Caroline_> chair: s/kcoyle/Caroline_
14:55:42 <alejandra> ... I am not sure if I understood Makx correctly
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14:55:54 <alejandra> ... maybe we need to define the problem
14:55:54 <Caroline_> q?
14:55:59 <Caroline_> ack PWinstanley
14:56:12 <alejandra> PWinstanley: I want to follow on what MarkusF and MakxDekkers said
14:56:22 <MakxDekkers> Norway: https://doc.difi.no/dcat-ap-no/#datasett-tilgangsniva (in Norwegian)
14:56:38 <alejandra> ... we need to make the distinction of access rights and restrictions extensible
14:56:55 <alejandra> ... opportunity for more automation
14:57:23 <alejandra> ... encourage use of fully-fledge DCAT in public organizations
14:57:46 <MarkusF> I agree (@ PW)
14:57:50 <Caroline_> q?
14:57:52 <alejandra> ... administrative types organizations
14:57:55 <Caroline_> ack alejandra
14:58:27 <Caroline_> ack Jaroslav_Pullmann
14:58:31 <alejandra> In the bioCADDIE project there was a working group on acessibility of datasets: https://biocaddie.org/group/working-group/working-group-7-accessibility-metadata-datasets
14:58:38 <alejandra> I will add some notes to the use case
14:58:44 <alejandra> Jaroslav_Pullmann: ODRL profile
14:58:57 <alejandra> ... what are we going to restrict
14:58:59 <antoine> (from POE WG)
14:59:05 <antoine> +1
14:59:05 <alejandra> ... the dataset or a particular distribution
14:59:09 <PWinstanley> https://joinup.ec.europa.eu/asset/criterion_evidence_cv/home to add to my earlier comments
14:59:14 <kcoyle> PROPOSED; accept data restrictions concept as a valid use case
14:59:19 <MakxDekkers> +1
14:59:20 <alejandra> +1
14:59:22 <annette_g> +1
14:59:23 <Jaroslav_Pullmann> +1
14:59:25 <PWinstanley> +1
14:59:25 <antoine> +1
14:59:26 <Caroline_> +1
14:59:27 <MarkusF> +1
14:59:30 <mbruemmer> +1
14:59:46 <alejandra> kcoyle: at the F2F we will get to the distinction of access vs use
15:00:11 <kcoyle> resolveD; accept data restrictions concept as a valid use case
15:00:30 <Caroline_> s/;/:
15:00:42 <alejandra> Caroline_: remember last call on F2F
15:00:45 <AndreaPerego> s/PROPOSED;/PROPOSED:/
15:01:09 <MarkusF> thank you, bye
15:01:11 <AndreaPerego> Thanks, and bye
15:01:21 <annette_g> bye all!
15:01:22 <Jaroslav_Pullmann> bye
15:01:24 <Jaroslav_Pullmann> present-
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