IRC log of apa on 2017-06-28

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Meeting: Accessible Platform Architectures Working Group Teleconference
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Date: 28 June 2017
15:52:01 [MichielBijl]
present+
15:53:15 [janina]
agenda?
15:53:19 [janina]
agenda+ preview agenda with items from two minutes
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agenda+ TPAC 2017 https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/Meetings/TPAC_2017
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agenda+ Task Force Checkins
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agenda+ Actions Checkin (Specs) https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/products/8
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agenda+ new on TR http://www.w3.org/TR/tr-status-drafts.html
15:53:22 [janina]
agenda+ Other Business
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agenda+ next and future meetings
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agenda+ be done
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15:54:09 [janina]
resent+
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agenda?
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agenda?
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present+ Léonie
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16:00:52 [joanie]
present+ Joanmarie_Diggs
16:01:06 [janina]
agenda?
16:01:19 [janina]
present+
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chair: janina
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present+
16:02:06 [MichaelC]
present+
16:02:59 [MichielBijl]
scribe: MichielBijl
16:03:30 [janina]
zakim, next item
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agendum 1. "preview agenda with items from two minutes" taken up [from janina]
16:03:46 [MichielBijl]
JS: We have the usual agenda
16:03:59 [MichielBijl]
TPAC and various actions
16:04:25 [MichielBijl]
Any other items we should look at or take up?
16:04:37 [MichielBijl]
We’ll surely take up CSS.
16:05:04 [Gottfried]
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Any other news for the good of the order?
16:05:10 [janina]
zakim, next item
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agendum 2. "TPAC 2017 https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/Meetings/TPAC_2017" taken up [from janina]
16:05:17 [MichielBijl]
MB: I’m about to change jobs, but that’s about it
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JS: Good luck with that!
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Be sure to plan ahead for TPAC
16:05:58 [MichielBijl]
Even if you think you might be coming it’s good to book a hotel room, you can always cancel, but can’t always add.
16:06:11 [MichielBijl]
Have already planned a couple of meetings between APA and ARIA
16:06:42 [MichielBijl]
present+ Gottfried
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Any questions TPAC related?
16:07:42 [janina]
zakim, next item
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agendum 3. "Task Force Checkins" taken up [from janina]
16:07:48 [MichielBijl]
Hearing none, let’s move forward
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*drum rolls*
16:08:11 [MichielBijl]
We have a new facilitator: Ian Pouncey
16:08:13 [MichielBijl]
Welcome!
16:08:25 [MichielBijl]
Ted Drake are you on the call?
16:08:35 [MichielBijl]
GZ: He’s not
16:08:48 [MichielBijl]
JS: We need to some active communication with the CSS WG.
16:08:57 [MichielBijl]
We’ve had various issues with the specs
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As a result of that we have a CSS TF
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We’ve had trouble finding someone with time to function as a facilitator
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So thank you Ian! And thank you Léonie for you help.
16:11:33 [MichielBijl]
Ian, let me turn it over to you and let you introduce yourself
16:12:00 [MichielBijl]
IP: I’m very excited to be here and fulfil this role
16:12:06 [MichielBijl]
I’ve been a long time CSS author
16:12:23 [MichielBijl]
Haven’t had an orientation yet, but hope to get that soon
16:12:30 [MichielBijl]
MC: We should a private chat for that
16:12:48 [MichielBijl]
Another question is whether Ted Drake will co-facilitate or whether Ian will replace him.
16:12:57 [MichielBijl]
JS: I think he wants to play second fiddle
16:14:40 [MichielBijl]
I think we have a few people interested in joining
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There’s also an open question about a best practices document
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We got a positive response on our proposal to do more with customisation via CSS media queries.
16:16:30 [MichielBijl]
In addition there is the whole realm of APA for horizontal review
16:16:57 [MichielBijl]
When a CSS module comes up for review, we need people to do so within this group
16:18:27 [MichielBijl]
MB: Would CSS modules be reviewed by people from within APA or specifically from the CSS TF?
16:19:16 [MichielBijl]
JS: Good question, I imagine most people with accessibility knowledge will be in APA. But Ian will be able to assign the correct people.
16:19:39 [MichielBijl]
MC: Ultimately it’s the APA’s responsibility to review specs.
16:20:29 [MichielBijl]
JS: Not sure if there’s any other news from our other TFs, but they’re both active
16:22:03 [MichielBijl]
MC: Knocked one front burner off today, hope to knock another off tomorrow
16:22:15 [janina]
zakim, next item
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agendum 4. "Actions Checkin (Specs) https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/products/8" taken up [from janina]
16:22:20 [MichielBijl]
JS: Not all of the APA work happens here is part of the message
16:22:42 [MichielBijl]
MC: W3C is having major service problems and I can’t load the tracker
16:22:48 [MichielBijl]
JS: Cé la vie
16:23:05 [MichielBijl]
Léonie were you able to look at the one I emailed you about
16:23:17 [MichielBijl]
LW: Yes, but not to the extend that I understood what you were going on about
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JS: *missing part* we never responded to them
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LW: Not sure if I qualify to do so
16:23:56 [MichielBijl]
Where do I find the relevant pointers?
16:24:08 [MichielBijl]
MC: That depends on how responsible people have been while logging issues
16:27:07 [janina]
zakim, pick a victim
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Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose IanPouncey
16:28:00 [janina]
zakim, next item
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agendum 5. "new on TR http://www.w3.org/TR/tr-status-drafts.html" taken up [from janina]
16:28:23 [IanPouncey]
MC: No interesting new specs. A couple from last week that didn't get cleared.
16:29:23 [IanPouncey]
JS: Clear on SHACL and XSL.
16:29:52 [IanPouncey]
Tink: would be good to get feedback soon on microdata. Trying to prove that we can get through the process in a short time
16:30:19 [IanPouncey]
MC: We determined in May that we didn't need to review microdata.
16:30:32 [IanPouncey]
Ting: There is probably nothing a11y related.
16:30:44 [IanPouncey]
s/TIng/Tink/
16:31:28 [IanPouncey]
Tink: Nothing in microdata that is presented directly to the user
16:31:36 [IanPouncey]
JS: I'm happy to take a read on it.
16:31:48 [IanPouncey]
Tink: Other person who might be able to help is Shane
16:31:53 [IanPouncey]
JS: He's not been present recently.
16:32:28 [IanPouncey]
MC: The technical characteristics of RDFA vs Microdata aren't relevant, so Shane might not have an advantage there.
16:32:47 [IanPouncey]
MC: It microdata doesn't kill accessibility the way microformats did.
16:32:58 [IanPouncey]
Tink: There is potential for AT.
16:33:16 [IanPouncey]
JS: Happy to take a read because we're looking at direction for personalisation
16:33:40 [IanPouncey]
Tink: COGA have been looking at determining types of data
16:33:50 [IanPouncey]
JS: Assign an action to me, is 3 weeks quick enough.
16:33:51 [MichaelC]
action: janina to review HTML Microdata https://www.w3.org/TR/microdata/
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Error creating an ACTION: could not connect to Tracker. Please mail <sysreq@w3.org> with details about what happened.
16:33:57 [IanPouncey]
TInk: Quicker would be better.
16:34:05 [IanPouncey]
JS: I'll take it to COGA to see if they want to help
16:35:02 [IanPouncey]
MC: I think we should look at explicit request category which has media queries level 4 and 23 active specs that are languishing.
16:35:28 [IanPouncey]
MC: Input events again, Microdata, Payment specs
16:35:48 [IanPouncey]
JS: I'm aware and have an action. Expecting Katie back soon to kick that community group in to gear.
16:35:52 [janina]
zakim, next item
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agendum 6. "Other Business" taken up [from janina]
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zakim, bye
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leaving. As of this point the attendees have been MichielBijl, Léonie, Joanmarie_Diggs, janina, IanPouncey, MichaelC, Gottfried
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rrsagent, make minutes
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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2017/06/28-apa-minutes.html janina
16:37:48 [janina]
Argh. Service Unavailable!
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I'll be back!
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rrsagent, bye
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I see 1 open action item saved in http://www.w3.org/2017/06/28-apa-actions.rdf :
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ACTION: janina to review HTML Microdata https://www.w3.org/TR/microdata/ [1]
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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2017/06/28-apa-irc#T16-33-51