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15:52:31 <lisa> zakim, this will be  WAI_CogTF
15:52:31 <Zakim> ok, lisa
15:52:45 <lisa> regrets: Jan, ayelet
15:53:28 <lisa> agenda: this
15:53:29 <lisa> agenda+ proposed new wording
15:53:31 <lisa> agenda+  review SC, and timelines show status table.sc status: https://rawgit.com/w3c/coga/master/extension/status.html,  rewording https://rawgit.com/w3c/coga/master/extension/rewroded%20sc%203.html agenda+ review sc wording to get to pending agenda+  Tables https://rawgit.com/w3c/coga/master/gap-analysis/table.html
15:53:32 <lisa> instuctions: https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/wiki/SC_Managers_Phase1,
15:53:34 <lisa> issues: https://github.com/w3c/wcag21/issues?q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+label%3ACOGA
15:53:35 <lisa> agenda+ the supplement, moving forward
15:53:37 <lisa> agenda+ What have we missed for issues page
15:53:38 <lisa> agenda+ be done
15:54:01 <lisa> zakim, close item 4
15:54:01 <Zakim> agendum 4, personlization, closed
15:54:02 <Zakim> I see 9 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
15:54:02 <Zakim> 3. accessible authentication [from lisa]
15:54:11 <lisa> zakim, close item 3
15:54:11 <Zakim> agendum 3, accessible authentication, closed
15:54:12 <Zakim> I see 8 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
15:54:12 <Zakim> 5. the supplement, moving forward [from lisa]
15:54:16 <lisa> zakim, close item 5
15:54:16 <Zakim> agendum 5, the supplement, moving forward, closed
15:54:17 <Zakim> I see 7 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
15:54:17 <Zakim> 6. What have we missed for issues page [from lisa]
15:54:22 <lisa> zakim, close item 6
15:54:22 <Zakim> agendum 6, What have we missed for issues page, closed
15:54:23 <Zakim> I see 6 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
15:54:23 <Zakim> 7. be done [from lisa]
15:54:27 <lisa> zakim, close item 7
15:54:27 <Zakim> agendum 7, be done, closed
15:54:29 <Zakim> I see 5 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
15:54:29 <Zakim> 8. proposed new wording [from lisa]
15:54:51 <lisa> zakim, item 8
15:54:51 <Zakim> I don't understand 'item 8', lisa
15:54:58 <lisa> zakim, open  item 8
15:54:58 <Zakim> agendum 8. "proposed new wording" taken up [from lisa]
15:55:43 <lisa> proposed new wording for personlization. See https://github.com/w3c/wcag21/issues/6. (the wording is at https://rawgit.com/w3c/wcag21/support-personalization_ISSUE-6/guidelines/sc/21/support-personalization-minimum.html)
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16:02:59 <lisa> proposed new wording for personlization. See https://github.com/w3c/wcag21/issues/6. (the wording is at https://rawgit.com/w3c/wcag21/support-personalization_ISSUE-6/guidelines/sc/21/support-personalization-minimum.html)
16:03:43 <lisa> not quarum but worth ploding on
16:07:36 <lisa> core: the mimimum functionality and content that is needed for users to identify the topic and fulfill the purpose of the content
16:07:38 <lisa> For example, core content is generally identified by the page title. Core functionality is that which is needed to fulfill the purpose described by the page title.
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16:11:41 <Pietro> Present+ Pietro
16:12:12 <lisa> http://www.bbc.com/
16:19:06 <lisa> john:  top navigation is very important
16:19:52 <lisa> we need to include top navigation
16:21:22 <lisa> mike example: going on bookign.com, might just be intersted in checking iteninary, but if i came to book then that would be core
16:21:43 <lisa> Lisa: I would say they are both core
16:22:07 <lisa> has to have direct link to page titile
16:22:08 <MichaelC> present+
16:22:44 <lisa> scribe: kirkwood
16:22:52 <Mike_Pluke> present+ Mike_Pluke
16:23:19 <lisa> criss do you know how to add the audio?
16:23:20 <kirkwood> discussing core content
16:24:00 <kirkwood> Lisa: what is core content, lets start with BBC news as en example
16:24:21 <kirkwood> Lisa: one issue we have to keep main navigation open consistent
16:25:14 <kirkwood> MC: think those are sepaparate issues with core content. simply to be identified
16:25:35 <kirkwood> MC: at user request rather than user preferences
16:25:58 <kirkwood> MP; no body would want to lose top level navigation
16:26:21 <kirkwood> MC: might prefer naviation to be rmoved if i can get it back
16:27:57 <kirkwood> MC: larger screen and smaller screen. Doesn't like need to learn about how to use hamburger menu
16:28:58 <kirkwood> MC: personlzation can in theory would play in context of another criteria to get to SC
16:29:33 <kirkwood> MP: if start adding additional words would be an issue
16:30:18 <kirkwood> LS: do we want to say remove some core content, we need a tight definition on non core functionlity
16:30:49 <kirkwood> MC: don't think page title should be too baked into SC
16:31:22 <kirkwood> MC: better to be as general as we can be
16:33:57 <kirkwood> MC: meant to navigate headings and follow links. prefer to leave wiggle room and clarify understand and leave room to do in different ways
16:34:12 <kirkwood> Lisa: issn't that a problem with testability?
16:35:13 <kirkwood> MC: often different evaluators report different results. each have valid interpretation and one way testers and authors differentiate themselves
16:35:30 <kirkwood> LS: but won't go through i think
16:35:59 <kirkwood> MC: trying to go for generic success criteria. need to get it through
16:36:28 <kirkwood> LS: my take is it will fail for that. maybe michael reply to Alastair and see if thats ok with him
16:37:06 <kirkwood> LS: anything that people had gone to site to find it would be core
16:37:38 <kirkwood> MC: arguably that is contextual. don't see how address that personalization requirment without living with some vagueness
16:38:04 <kirkwood> MP: doubt he is the only one with question. trying to get it close is tricky
16:38:59 <kirkwood> LS: if user is going to page to find content than it is core. unless we make it more vague like you can remove some content
16:39:18 <kirkwood> LS: if don't relate to page title some content can be removed
16:40:33 <kirkwood> LS: some lesser used or non core content can be removed
16:40:44 <kirkwood> LS: that way they have ocnformed
16:41:24 <kirkwood> LS: the first bullet point is the way we can get people into personlization without adding RDs or something else
16:41:55 <kirkwood> MC: in general, a SC we don't go as far as we hoped is something we lived with in 2.1
16:42:24 <kirkwood> LS: the first is way to get perosnlization in we'd prefer the second but realize it is an issue
16:42:56 <kirkwood> LS: the BBC example to remove some core content as a good example
16:43:27 <kirkwood> MC: if it will pass under that expection yes. we are mainly setting up future work but we are getting some stuff in
16:44:19 <kirkwood> MC: via education material there is a site called the before after demo. here is what we mean by it even at mimimal compliance its a low bar. we're setting the floor not the ceiling
16:45:15 <kirkwood> LS: fany other isssues with this support perosnliaztion SC
16:45:37 <lisa> zakim, next item
16:45:37 <Zakim> agendum 9. "review SC, and timelines show status table.sc status: https://rawgit.com/w3c/coga/master/extension/status.html,  rewording
16:45:39 <Zakim> ... https://rawgit.com/w3c/coga/master/extension/rewroded%20sc%203.html agenda+ review sc wording to get to pending agenda+  Tables
16:45:39 <Zakim> ... https://rawgit.com/w3c/coga/master/gap-analysis/table.html" taken up [from lisa]
16:45:50 <kirkwood> LS: i can respond or Miichael can respond to Alistair
16:46:28 <lisa> https://rawgit.com/w3c/coga/master/extension/status.html
16:47:08 <kirkwood> LS: look at status link page. we've got groups that we thought most important. interrupiton, task completion didn't get through, mimize 3errors didn't get through, reminders, help
16:47:41 <kirkwood> LS: we can try and push through high prioriy ones
16:48:17 <kirkwood> LS; go through list of things [audio dropping out]
16:48:39 <kirkwood> LS: the others are important, chunks, undo might be able to get in
16:48:48 <kirkwood> LS: timed events didnt get through
16:49:11 <kirkwood> LS: critical reature, erro prevention, change upon reequest that one maybe try and get through
16:49:32 <kirkwood> LS: slightly lower retunr clear text voice
16:49:53 <kirkwood> LS: not seeing things hit me as likely to get in
16:51:09 <kirkwood> Ls: lets look sat issue 38 undo
16:51:27 <kirkwood> LS: that one might get through
16:51:53 <kirkwood> MC: that might be relatively straight forward and benefit various user groups
16:52:09 <kirkwood> LS: another i thought was important was task completion
16:52:42 <kirkwood> LS: a lot laike the authtication one just for any task acnc could include dialogues could borrow some wording and work on that
16:52:52 <kirkwood> LS: do people think thats important?
16:53:35 <kirkwood> LS: one important to me is the press 3, with issue of processing language you can't do both
16:53:53 <kirkwood> MC: foreign language happens all the time
16:54:35 <lisa> https://github.com/w3c/wcag21/issues/21
16:55:10 <kirkwood> LS: issue 21 we are talking
16:55:48 <kirkwood> MP: task completion imbedded in authitecation
16:56:20 <kirkwood> MC: we have asked to submit duplications all the time we need to remind over an over
16:56:33 <kirkwood> LS: what is more important task completion of undo?
16:56:48 <kirkwood> MC: i feel undo is clearer and easier to get through id focus on thath
16:57:12 <kirkwood> LS: i'll pull up undo
16:57:35 <kirkwood> LS: doesn't have links on top of it
16:57:51 <kirkwood> MC: i can add but have to remind me
16:58:19 <kirkwood> LS: jake has some edits there we can put in on a short call, like clearly labeled actions
16:58:28 <kirkwood> LS: i say the next one is undo
16:58:43 <kirkwood> LS: maybe end now
16:59:12 <kirkwood> LS: we got a lot done even though not a big call
16:59:40 <lisa> rrsagent, make logs public
16:59:54 <lisa> rrsagent, create minutes
16:59:54 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2017/06/26-coga-minutes.html lisa
17:00:05 <lisa> zakim, please part
17:00:05 <Zakim> leaving.  As of this point the attendees have been kirkwood, MichaelC, Pietro, janina, Mike_Pluke
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17:00:37 <lisa> rrsagent, please part
17:00:37 <RRSAgent> I see no action items