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12:43:35 <trackbot> Meeting: XForms Users Community Group Teleconference
12:43:35 <trackbot> Date: 21 June 2017
12:44:00 <Steven> Agenda: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xformsusers/2017Jun/0018
12:44:11 <Steven> Steven has changed the topic to: Agenda: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xformsusers/2017Jun/0018
12:44:17 <Steven> Chair: Steven
12:45:01 <Steven> Regrets: Philip
13:01:38 <Steven> Present: Alain, Erik, Steven
13:01:55 <Steven> Topic: ACTION-2129: Draft text for handler disabling
13:01:55 <Steven> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xformsusers/2017Jun/0016.html
13:02:11 <Steven> Steven: I need some advice
13:03:24 <Steven> Steven: Do we want to disallow disabling handlers
13:03:52 <Steven> ... or say it is not defined if they are disabled or not?
13:04:05 <Steven> Erik: Just say that they are not disabled.
13:04:25 <Steven> Steven: I will mention that in changes
13:04:28 <Steven> Erik: Yes.
13:04:42 <Steven> Alain: I'm OK with that as well.
13:05:27 <Steven> Topic: Alert MIP
13:05:27 <Steven> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xformsusers/2017Jun/0014
13:06:26 <Steven> Steven: I'm encouraged that this got positive reaction from beyond the group.
13:06:40 <Steven> ... I realise Erik hasn't had much time to think about this
13:07:07 <Steven> Erik: I realise there is a tension between what goes in the model, and what goes into the view
13:07:17 <Steven> ... one feature we have
13:07:34 <Steven> ... Betterform has something similar (let me see if I can find it)
13:07:56 <ebruchez> http://blog.orbeon.com/2013/07/enhanced-validation-in-form-builder-and.html
13:10:06 <Steven> Erik: It is nice to have things localised.
13:11:27 <ebruchez> https://doc.orbeon.com/xforms/validation.html#multiple-constraints-and-alerts
13:11:56 <Steven> Steven: This seems to endorse that there is a use case
13:12:20 <Steven> ... also the face that the proposed alert attribute is an expression seems to support some of the things I see in that post
13:12:27 <Steven> s/face/fact/
13:14:00 <Steven> Steven: Since I only just posted it, shall we discuss it next week?
13:14:04 <Steven> Erik: Sure
13:14:09 <Steven> Topic: AOB
13:15:20 <Steven> Steven: Looks like Mark Seabourne is back on board, which is great news.
13:16:38 <Steven> [Adjourn]
13:16:45 <Steven> rrsagent, make minutes
13:16:45 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2017/06/21-forms-minutes.html Steven
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