IRC log of dxwg on 2017-06-19
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- Chair: Caroline burle
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- Present+
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- present+ Rob Atkinson
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- present+
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- who is rhiaro?
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- roba - will volunteer to scribe
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- present+ antoine
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- Scribe: roba
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- present+ mathieu
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- who are you rhiaro?
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- are you a member of dxwg rhiaro?
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- Caroline_: I'm Amy Guy, part time w3c staff, passing interest in what you're doing but not enough time to particpate properly I'm afraid. Yes, joined the WG
- 14:05:16 [Caroline_]
- great! thank you, Amy
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- present+ newton
- 14:05:37 [Caroline_]
- could you please join the Webex https://mit.webex.com/mit/j.php?MTID=m75e3372d2eb3418101f3a882a6432687
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- https://www.w3.org/2017/06/12-dxwg-minutes
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- scribenick: roba
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- +1
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- +1
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- +0 wasn't here
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- +1
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- +1
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- RESOLUTION: accepted minutes
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- Chair: Caroline_
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- q+
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- ack kcoyle
- 14:09:03 [roba]
- kcoyle; Three sub-groups - Use Cases, DCAT, application profile
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- Ixchecl_F: updated Use Case template
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- ... question - separating out identification of stakeholders
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- ... proposes to carry out - no objections heard
- 14:10:25 [Jaroslav_Pullmann]
- q+
- 14:10:35 [Caroline_]
- ack Jaroslav_Pullmann
- 14:10:56 [roba]
- q+
- 14:11:01 [Caroline_]
- ack roba
- 14:11:29 [kcoyle]
- q+
- 14:11:59 [Caroline_]
- roba: some of the use cases we haven't had the chance to discuss yet
- 14:12:10 [Jaroslav_Pullmann]
- https://docs.google.com/document/d/1z8UVjMEPoqp69ZHXk6asY6tCHHECglk4-3Lznd5dxS0/edit#heading=h.cmfhj7ago0ev
- 14:12:20 [roba]
- roba: Generalised versions of Use Cases ID4 and ID6
- 14:12:27 [Caroline_]
- ack kcoyle
- 14:13:14 [roba]
- kcoyle: can we make a link from wiki - needs to be publicly visible
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- q+
- 14:13:44 [kcoyle]
- https://www.w3.org/2017/dxwg/wiki/Use_Case_Working_Space#Data_Quality_Vocabulary_.28DQV.29_Wish_List_left_by_the_DWBP_WG
- 14:14:22 [Jaroslav_Pullmann]
- q+
- 14:14:29 [roba]
- ,,, some Use Cases have multiple Use Cases implied - can these be teased out?
- 14:14:46 [Caroline_]
- ack roba
- 14:14:47 [roba]
- s/,,,/.../
- 14:15:41 [kcoyle]
- roba: link could be to use case document or add new use cases, or edit use cases as provided
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- q+
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- roba: or new document for agreed use cases
- 14:16:28 [Caroline_]
- ack Jaroslav_Pullmann
- 14:16:56 [nandana]
- present+ nandana
- 14:17:16 [roba]
- Jaroslav_Pullmann: not planning to rewrite raw inputs
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- q?
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- ack kcoyle
- 14:17:29 [shepazu]
- present+ shepazu
- 14:17:56 [roba]
- kcoyle: consolidated document needs to be on github
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- ... single place to do that
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- proposed consolidated use cases for voting on?
- 14:19:26 [Caroline_]
- q+
- 14:19:28 [roba]
- kcoyle: F2F focus on consolidating Use Cases
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- ack Caroline_
- 14:19:40 [roba]
- ... high priority
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- present+
- 14:20:05 [roba]
- Caroline_: migrate to github with tracking ?
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- q?
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- q+
- 14:20:42 [present__Ixchel_F_]
- q+
- 14:20:45 [roba]
- +1 to consolidate - but how to promote consolidated versions over "raw inputs?"
- 14:20:50 [Caroline_]
- ack Jaroslav_Pullmann
- 14:21:43 [Caroline_]
- q?
- 14:22:00 [roba]
- Happy to move generalised and voted-on cases to a new wiki page
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- ack kcoyle
- 14:22:59 [Caroline_]
- ack present__Ixchel_F_
- 14:23:03 [roba]
- q+
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- ack roba
- 14:23:58 [Caroline_]
- roba: propose to create another wiki page with the use cases
- 14:24:15 [Caroline_]
- ... the ones that are being discussed and voted by the group
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- q+
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- ack Jaroslav_Pullmann
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- present+
- 14:24:48 [roba]
- Jaroslav_Pullmann: use status tags?
- 14:25:13 [kcoyle]
- q+
- 14:25:15 [Caroline_]
- roba: I prefer to consolidate the agreed versions in one place
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- ack kcoyle
- 14:28:46 [erics]
- Could it be SumitPurohit?
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- Hi Sumit :-)
- 14:29:27 [Caroline_]
- q?
- 14:29:41 [SumitPurohit]
- Hi Everyone :-)
- 14:30:04 [Jaroslav_Pullmann]
- q+
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- ack Jaroslav_Pullmann
- 14:30:40 [Caroline_]
- q?
- 14:30:59 [Caroline_]
- https://www.w3.org/2017/dxwg/wiki/Use_Case_Working_Space#Modeling_agent_roles
- 14:32:03 [Caroline_]
- q?
- 14:33:16 [kcoyle]
- We don't at this time have a place for comments on use cases, although that would be a good idea
- 14:33:23 [roba]
- q+
- 14:33:28 [Caroline_]
- ack roba
- 14:34:14 [kcoyle]
- roba: need to cover common cases; using blank nodes are hard to query against
- 14:34:40 [kcoyle]
- ... but need to weigh flexibility
- 14:34:41 [Jaroslav_Pullmann]
- q+
- 14:35:07 [kcoyle]
- ... this is something we can use in other use cases where there is a general need and some people need something special
- 14:35:19 [Caroline_]
- ack Jaroslav_Pullmann
- 14:35:21 [kcoyle]
- +1
- 14:36:21 [roba]
- Jaroslav_Pullmann: supports minimal set of common properties - but problem is the many forms this takes - is it a case for application profiles
- 14:36:43 [Caroline_]
- q?
- 14:36:48 [kcoyle]
- q+
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- ack kcoyle
- 14:37:39 [roba]
- kcoyle: need a straw man proposal for the simple common agent roles.
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- q=
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- q+
- 14:37:55 [Caroline_]
- ack roba
- 14:38:40 [Caroline_]
- q?
- 14:38:55 [roba]
- roba: defining roles a solution issue no t a UC responsibility
- 14:39:27 [Caroline_]
- https://www.w3.org/2017/dxwg/wiki/Use_Case_Working_Space#Modeling_agent_roles
- 14:40:07 [roba]
- PROPOSAL: Accept UC ID13 with edits to address the commonality of the pattern of common properties and detailed descriptions in profiles, and the need to agree a list of roles in the specificaton process
- 14:42:17 [kcoyle]
- PROPOSAL: Accept UC ID13 with requirement to create an agreed list of roles for DCAT with the remainder for profiles
- 14:45:31 [roba]
- roba: lost issue of using a common mechanism for simple/extended definitions
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- ... add as requirement?
- 14:46:02 [roba]
- kcoyle: perhaps a new Use Case as a placeholder
- 14:47:27 [Caroline_]
- q?
- 14:47:31 [kcoyle]
- +1
- 14:47:35 [roba]
- +1
- 14:47:36 [antoine]
- +1
- 14:47:36 [Caroline_]
- +1
- 14:47:37 [Jaroslav_Pullmann]
- +1
- 14:47:38 [newton]
- +1
- 14:47:38 [nandana]
- +1
- 14:47:39 [mathieu]
- +1
- 14:47:40 [SumitPurohit]
- +1
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- +1
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- +1
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- +1
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- +1
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- RESOLVED:
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- RESOLVED: Accept UC ID13 with requirement to create an agreed list of roles for DCAT with the remainder for profiles
- 14:50:06 [antoine]
- q+
- 14:50:09 [roba]
- roba: how do we review edits? I will copy to consolidated UC doc -
- 14:50:11 [Caroline_]
- https://www.w3.org/2017/dxwg/wiki/Use_Case_Working_Space#Modeling_funding_sources
- 14:50:19 [Caroline_]
- ack antoine
- 14:50:42 [roba]
- Caroline_: we will then vote at next meeting if necessary
- 14:51:12 [roba]
- antoine: please send a email to the group when new edited version published.
- 14:52:01 [Caroline_]
- q?
- 14:52:03 [Jaroslav_Pullmann]
- q+
- 14:52:07 [Caroline_]
- ack Jaroslav_Pullmann
- 14:52:11 [roba]
- is this more a job for a specialised vocabulary?
- 14:52:17 [PWinstanley]
- q+
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- Jaroslav_Pullmann: sub-use case og agent role
- 14:52:50 [roba]
- s/og/of/
- 14:52:51 [Caroline_]
- ack PWinstanley
- 14:52:54 [kcoyle]
- good catch!
- 14:53:18 [roba]
- PWinstanley: agree - need opportunity for hierarchy of agents
- 14:53:45 [antoine]
- q+
- 14:53:51 [roba]
- ...needs a controlled list - authority list
- 14:53:57 [Caroline_]
- ack antoine
- 14:54:40 [PWinstanley]
- +1 to Antoine's comment
- 14:54:47 [Caroline_]
- q?
- 14:54:50 [roba]
- antoine: not a hierarchy of types of agents, but one of roles
- 14:54:51 [kcoyle]
- q+
- 14:54:56 [Caroline_]
- ack kcoyle
- 14:55:34 [roba]
- kcoyle: great deal of information about a funding source
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- ...therefore about the role, not the funding information
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- q+
- 14:56:03 [Caroline_]
- ack roba
- 14:56:22 [kcoyle]
- roba: detail of funding role is not limited to DCAT - could be specialized vocabulary
- 14:56:26 [Caroline_]
- roba: funding role is not limited to DCAT
- 14:56:38 [kcoyle]
- ... trick here is to have extension point in profiles
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- q?
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- Me ID31
- 14:57:39 [Caroline_]
- https://www.w3.org/2017/dxwg/wiki/Use_Case_Working_Space#Modeling_funding_sources
- 14:58:10 [Caroline_]
- the first was ID13 https://www.w3.org/2017/dxwg/wiki/Use_Case_Working_Space#Modeling_agent_roles
- 14:58:12 [roba]
- PROPOSAL: edit ID13 update to include case of funding source identification as an example
- 14:58:26 [Jaroslav_Pullmann]
- q+
- 14:58:33 [Caroline_]
- ack Jaroslav_Pullmann
- 14:59:08 [kcoyle]
- +1
- 14:59:13 [Caroline_]
- +1
- 14:59:14 [Jaroslav_Pullmann]
- +1
- 14:59:14 [newton]
- +1
- 14:59:17 [erics]
- +1
- 14:59:17 [DavidBrowning]
- +1
- 14:59:17 [nandana]
- +1
- 14:59:18 [PWinstanley]
- +1
- 14:59:18 [antoine]
- +1
- 14:59:22 [SumitPurohit]
- +1
- 14:59:22 [roba]
- Jaroslav_Pullmann: noes this is provenance
- 14:59:24 [roba]
- +1
- 14:59:24 [present__Ixchel_F_]
- +1
- 14:59:41 [roba]
- RESOLVED: edit ID13 update to include case of funding source identification as an example
- 15:00:17 [kcoyle]
- https://www.w3.org/2017/dxwg/wiki/Oxford_Attendance_and_logistics
- 15:00:32 [roba]
- Caroline_: reminder to put F2F attendance on wiki
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- bye
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- present-
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- exit
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- bye! :)
- 15:00:44 [DavidBrowning]
- bye
- 15:00:48 [SumitPurohit]
- Bye..
- 15:00:51 [Caroline_]
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