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15:56:40 <lisa> agenda: this
15:56:42 <lisa> agenda+ review SC, and timelines show status table.sc status: https://rawgit.com/w3c/coga/master/extension/status.html, rewording https://rawgit.com/w3c/coga/master/extension/rewroded%20sc%203.html agenda+ review sc wording to get to pending
15:56:43 <lisa> agenda+ Tables https://rawgit.com/w3c/coga/master/gap-analysis/table.html instuctions: https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/wiki/SC_Managers_Phase1, issues: https://github.com/w3c/wcag21/issues?q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+label%3ACOGA
15:56:45 <lisa> agenda+ accessible authentication
15:56:47 <lisa> agenda+ personlization
15:56:48 <lisa> agenda+ the supplement, moving forward
15:56:50 <lisa> agenda+ What have we missed for issues page
15:56:51 <lisa> agenda+ be done
16:01:18 <lisa> scribe: kirkwood
16:01:43 <kirkwood> present+
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16:02:57 <lisa> zakim, next item
16:02:57 <Zakim> agendum 1. "review SC, and timelines show status table.sc status: https://rawgit.com/w3c/coga/master/extension/status.html, rewording
16:02:59 <Zakim> ... https://rawgit.com/w3c/coga/master/extension/rewroded%20sc%203.html agenda+ review sc wording to get to pending" taken up [from lisa]
16:03:46 <kirkwood> LS: next thing to put forward is personalization, next week afer accessbile authetification
16:03:53 <lisa> zakim, next item
16:03:53 <Zakim> agendum 1 was just opened, lisa
16:04:03 <lisa> zakim, close item 1
16:04:03 <Zakim> agendum 1, review SC, and timelines show status table.sc status: https://rawgit.com/w3c/coga/master/extension/status.html, rewording
16:04:05 <Zakim> ... https://rawgit.com/w3c/coga/master/extension/rewroded%20sc%203.html agenda+ review sc wording to get to pending, closed
16:04:05 <Zakim> I see 6 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
16:04:05 <Zakim> 2. Tables https://rawgit.com/w3c/coga/master/gap-analysis/table.html instuctions: https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/wiki/SC_Managers_Phase1, issues:
16:04:05 <Zakim> ... https://github.com/w3c/wcag21/issues?q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+label%3ACOGA [from lisa]
16:04:11 <lisa> zakim, next item
16:04:12 <Zakim> agendum 2. "Tables https://rawgit.com/w3c/coga/master/gap-analysis/table.html instuctions: https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/wiki/SC_Managers_Phase1, issues:
16:04:14 <Zakim> ... https://github.com/w3c/wcag21/issues?q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+label%3ACOGA" taken up [from lisa]
16:04:29 <lisa> zakim, close item 2
16:04:29 <Zakim> agendum 2, Tables https://rawgit.com/w3c/coga/master/gap-analysis/table.html instuctions: https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/wiki/SC_Managers_Phase1, issues:
16:04:31 <Zakim> ... https://github.com/w3c/wcag21/issues?q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+label%3ACOGA, closed
16:04:31 <Zakim> I see 5 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
16:04:31 <Zakim> 3. accessible authentication [from lisa]
16:04:37 <lisa> zakim, next item
16:04:37 <Zakim> agendum 3. "accessible authentication" taken up [from lisa]
16:04:55 <kirkwood> this is the one to get to, accessbile authentication
16:05:05 <lisa> https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/COGA_Auth/results
16:05:10 <kirkwood> LS: sent out a survey
16:05:27 <kirkwood> LS: these are the survey results above
16:05:36 <lisa> https://github.com/w3c/wcag21/issues/23
16:05:43 <kirkwood> LS: issue 23
16:06:12 <kirkwood> LS: one of the comments the new wording didn’t support all comments discussed in github
16:06:27 <lisa> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-cognitive-a11y-tf/2017Jun/0045.html
16:07:03 <lisa> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-cognitive-a11y-tf/2017Jun/0040.html
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16:07:22 <kirkwood> LS: this is the thread regarding authentification, that was emeail to the summary that was said
16:07:27 <lisa> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-cognitive-a11y-tf/2017Jun/0045.html
16:07:31 <lisa> https://github.com/w3c/wcag21/issues/23
16:07:36 <lisa> https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/COGA_Auth/results
16:07:41 <kirkwood> LS: putting links in for Mike
16:08:06 <kirkwood> LS: survey results and comments and issues and tried to sum up what was wrtitten
16:08:22 <kirkwood> LS: the link to archive 40 is the summary
16:09:01 <kirkwood> LS: they wanted us to reach out to check if authentication, to writie to the web authentication people and check with them if they are comfortable with it
16:09:24 <kirkwood> LS: John might want to respond to email earlier today
16:09:38 <kirkwood> JR: to address feed back that givien?
16:10:01 <kirkwood> LS: step one setup a call with athentication people to make sure not creating a problem.
16:10:40 <kirkwood> LS: sent an email and think CC’d COGa if didn’t can write a repsonse and cc COGA to setup a call to make sure everyone is comfortable with the wording
16:11:14 <kirkwood> LS: have you consulted experts?, they asked. then they will have a comfort level from an athentication andd security point of view
16:11:38 <kirkwood> LS: need to get that happening before thursday
16:12:19 <kirkwood> LS: another comment people didn’t feel every issue in the github comments had been addressed
16:13:21 <kirkwood> JR: quite significant and not a simple answer
16:14:02 <kirkwood> LS: tried to respond on call know lots of people use two step but its not usable by a lot of people
16:14:50 <kirkwood> LS: like lots of places use catcha, don’t think thats legitimate as long as alternative
16:15:38 <MichaelC> present+
16:16:02 <kirkwood> LS: not sure about the four characters with dyslexia
16:16:20 <kirkwood> JR: not sure if four characters would work
16:17:31 <kirkwood> JR: not sure how four characters could be an ok exception, where does four come from why not 5 or 3
16:18:39 <kirkwood> LS: I would imagine dyslexic could use four,
16:18:57 <lisa> action: johnrochford ansewer the four comment
16:18:57 <trackbot> Created ACTION-219 - Ansewer the four comment [on John Rochford - due 2017-06-26].
16:18:58 <kirkwood> LS: John could I ask you why not happy with four characters in github comments
16:19:37 <kirkwood> JR: regarding commentary, what i’m worred about is my repsones not good for group. Mike could i run responses by you
16:19:42 <kirkwood> Mike; yes
16:20:33 <kirkwood> Mike’: with cognitive disability virtueall every authentication will fail one or another of our bullets on there. may be no conceivable alternatives I’m guessing out of this
16:20:42 <kirkwood> LS: i don’t understand that
16:21:24 <kirkwood> MP: what is alternative method that doesn’t break rules
16:21:30 <kirkwood> LS: the link
16:21:41 <kirkwood> LS: the link would be two step authetivation
16:22:31 <kirkwood> JR: yes that is one
16:22:43 <kirkwood> LS: that is the latnative
16:23:02 <kirkwood> LS: that is the alternative
16:23:41 <kirkwood> LS: a smart card, login through facebook, can do two step athentication, there a lots of alternatives available
16:24:21 <kirkwood> LS: we are not trying to catch everyone, but these are alternatvies
16:25:11 <kirkwood> LS: John and Mike if you could go through repsones on github that would be important
16:25:26 <kirkwood> JR: what is the due date?
16:25:41 <kirkwood> LS: if we don’t get in on Thursday won’t get through
16:25:58 <kirkwood> MP: tomorrow I’m available
16:26:22 <kirkwood> JR: I will address everythinkg i can today and I’ll send it to you
16:26:39 <kirkwood> JR: should i respond to each comment or a master response?
16:27:25 <kirkwood> LS: however you prefer, just make sure if you respond, make sure you tag with and @ sign so they will be told in comments
16:27:47 <kirkwood> LS: looking over the survey will be very helpful
16:28:07 <kirkwood> JR: survey you are referring to the questionnaire?
16:28:11 <kirkwood> LS: yes
16:29:23 <kirkwood> JR: if Mike and I can do the plan we talked about I expect the responses will be there tomorrow. The day before it will be addressed
16:30:15 <kirkwood> LS: it is on the agenda for tomorrow not sure if on agenda for Thursday. If we can get it on for tomorrows meeting
16:30:45 <kirkwood> MP: i can try and take a look this evening
16:32:41 <kirkwood> MP: not clear what comment refers to, sounds like it needs to be reworded.
16:35:27 <kirkwood> JR: there is a lot of feedback and worried about getting through it by tomorrow
16:35:54 <kirkwood> LS: i’ll try repsonding to Alastair and if you want to join in that wold be fine
16:37:23 <kirkwood> JR: can you see if you can get accessible authentivcation in thursday agens and a meeting with wb authetication group
16:37:26 <lisa> action: lisa to try and set up the meeting with web authetifcation
16:37:27 <trackbot> Created ACTION-220 - Try and set up the meeting with web authetifcation [on Lisa Seeman-Kestenbaum - due 2017-06-26].
16:38:12 <kirkwood> LS: I’m going to try and respond to Alaisatars [inauudibele] and on email strings
16:39:22 <kirkwood> LS: two other small things there was request for an aexcetpoin for places that interferes with legislation, any problems with that. Seems completely reasonable
16:39:36 <kirkwood> LS: does anyone have a problem with that?
16:40:04 <kirkwood> JR: i would think ti would be an exception
16:40:13 <kirkwood> JR: what is the excetption?
16:40:31 <kirkwood> JR: an example would be what?
16:41:23 <kirkwood> LS: banking for example maybe has a character requerement of some number of characters
16:41:35 <kirkwood> JR: thats ok if we need to do it to get through
16:41:42 <lisa> Essential steps of an authentication process, which rely upon recalling or copying information, have alternative essential steps, and an authentication-credentials reset process, which do not rely upon recalling and copying information.
16:42:05 <kirkwood> LS: think it should be an or intstead of and
16:42:11 <kirkwood> yes
16:42:22 <kirkwood> Is that ok with everyone?
16:42:39 <lisa> should: Essential steps of an authentication process, which rely upon recalling or copying information, have alternative essential steps, OR an authentication-credentials reset process, which do not rely upon recalling and copying information.
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16:43:55 <kirkwood> MP: it should be AND but it could be repeated. It would be rather wordy but possibly clearer
16:44:16 <lisa> Essential steps of an authentication process, which rely upon recalling or copying information, have alternative essential steps which do not rely upon recalling and copying information, OR an authentication-credentials reset process, which do not rely upon recalling and copying information.
16:44:17 <kirkwood> LS: will repeat to be unambiguos
16:44:41 <Pietro> Present+ Pietro
16:44:50 <Pietro> WebEx link is not working
16:45:07 <kirkwood> Pietro I had difficulty too
16:46:27 <lisa> Essential steps of an authentication process, which rely upon recalling or copying information, have one of the following:
16:46:28 <lisa> -alternative essential steps  which do not rely upon recalling and copying information, OR
16:46:30 <lisa> - an authentication-credentials reset process, which do not rely upon recalling and copying information.
16:47:25 <janina> present+
16:47:47 <kirkwood> LS: i wll change, and put in github is that what we want tod do
16:47:56 <Mike_Pluke> present+ Mike_Pluke
16:47:58 <kirkwood> MP: yes
16:48:13 <Pietro> I got WebEx by https://mit.webex.com/mw3200/mywebex/default.do?siteurl=mit
16:48:14 <lisa> and I will add the exception for legislation
16:48:53 <lisa> exception for law
16:48:54 <kirkwood> LS: I’ll do that before tomorrow and add the excetion regarding law
16:49:07 <lisa> legal requirement\
16:49:46 <kirkwood> LS: change to legal requirments
16:50:10 <kirkwood> LS: reminding everyonw to fill on survey, if they see critical mass saying ready to go than the push to do that
16:50:41 <kirkwood> LS: the questionnaire regarding to accessbile authentication
16:51:29 <kirkwood> MP: maybe we should get acc ross that text has chenged and need to update responses
16:52:03 <kirkwood> JR: asking about standard versus high risk login activity and haven’t  addressed
16:52:25 <kirkwood> LS: he wants us to address dangerous sensitive user data
16:52:59 <kirkwood> LS: commentor wants us to exlude places with highr risk material
16:53:30 <kirkwood> MP: we are sort of addressing this
16:54:17 <kirkwood> MP: high risk is subjective
16:55:31 <kirkwood> LS: there are smart cards, that is something they could provide regarding the big companies
16:56:42 <kirkwood> JR: the other thing talked about is that copying and pasting also, how do we do that?
16:57:16 <kirkwood> LS: could be bulooth authentification, or have link copy the number or press link
16:57:32 <kirkwood> bulooth/bluetoooth
16:58:13 <kirkwood> LS: while Mke on call Thursday 3pm uk. Endo of July switch calls then.
16:59:27 <kirkwood> LS; keep this time through June and July and after July change call to 10 am EST on Thursday
17:00:55 <kirkwood> LS: I really encourage you to join in on WCAG calls
17:03:51 <lisa> rrsagent, make logs public
17:04:05 <lisa>  rrsagent, create minutes
17:04:05 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2017/06/19-coga-minutes.html lisa
17:04:16 <lisa> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1MTZFb53lwSDLd8Z2ILvc-u5fBKUGEOoNOSrVxXu-PHo/edit#