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06:34:52 <kaz> present+ Kaz_Ashimura, Daniel_Peintner, Dave_Raggett, Maria_Poveda, Michael_Koster, Taki_Kamiya, Victor_Charpenay
06:35:00 <kaz> zakim, pick a scribe
06:35:00 <Zakim> Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose Daniel_Peintner
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06:35:26 <dape> scribe: dape
06:35:28 <kaz> scribenick: dape
06:35:32 <dape> scribeNick: DP
06:35:50 <kaz> present+ Katsuyoshi_Naka
06:35:59 <kaz> present+ Niklas_Widell
06:36:10 <dape> TOPIC: F2F Düsseldorf
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06:36:17 <kaz> Agenda: https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/WG_WoT_Thing_Description_WebConf#Agenda
06:36:21 <dape> ... Sebastian went through changes last week
06:36:27 <dape> .... he made changes as planned
06:36:36 <dape> ... I made other changes
06:36:50 <kaz> s/..../.../
06:37:12 <dape> ... last change was about arrays.. as discussed during last week
06:37:13 <kaz> present+ Masato_Ohura
06:37:30 <dape> ... changes were about link vs links
06:37:39 <dape> ... @type always array
06:37:48 <kaz> rrsagent, make log public
06:37:53 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
06:37:53 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2017/06/16-wot-td-minutes.html kaz
06:37:53 <dape> ... Victor volunteered to update JSON-LD context file
06:38:06 <dape> VC: wait till Maria updates ontology first
06:38:07 <kaz> Meeting: WoT WG - TD-TF
06:38:10 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
06:38:10 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2017/06/16-wot-td-minutes.html kaz
06:38:25 <dape> ... have a first version already
06:38:41 <dape> Maria: Made PR in WOT repo
06:38:50 <dape> ... including uris, names etc
06:39:17 <MariaPoveda> https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/pull/4
06:39:32 <kaz> s|https|-> https|
06:39:37 <taki> Current practices pull request is here. https://github.com/w3c/wot/pull/321
06:39:43 <kaz> s|4|4 Maria's pull request|
06:39:58 <dape> VC: Turtle file only?
06:40:13 <kaz> s/request/request (aded folder for vocabulary files)/
06:40:38 <dape> Maria: uri, namespace, prefix etc is in
06:40:48 <dape> VC: Can we have file in TD namespace..
06:41:10 <dape> Kaz: hope so.. did not get response yet.. will send reminder
06:41:26 <dape> VC: it is important for some use-cases
06:41:51 <dape> Kaz: Fallback is not to wait for that
06:42:08 <dape> VC: Conflict with vicinity though
06:42:27 <dape> Maria: Could check with Phil Archer
06:42:30 <kaz> s|that|that, and start with the current proposal "www.w3.org/ns/td" for the initial version|
06:42:45 <dape> ... he knows how to publish namespace
06:43:02 <dape> Maria: Not sure about vicinity conflict
06:43:17 <dape> ... can update mine once the version is stable
06:43:31 <dape> VC: 2 versions in the same NS
06:43:44 <dape> Maria: changed namespace..
06:43:59 <dape> Kaz: Talked to Ralph R.
06:44:06 <dape> .. will send reminder to them
06:44:15 <dape> ... try to check also with Phil
06:44:35 <kaz> s/Talked to Ralph R./Talking to Ralph Swick and Phileppe Le Hegaret about this/
06:44:45 <kaz> s/Phil/Phil if needed/
06:44:53 <dape> VC: w.r.t. json-ld context.. I will wait till we decided how to proceed
06:45:03 <dape> ... otherwise it does not make any sense
06:45:14 <dape> TK: Kaz, please keep us informed
06:45:20 <dape> Kaz: will do
06:45:36 <dape> TK: Listed also binding template in Agenda
06:45:49 <dape> .. not sure how to include this till Düsseldorf?
06:46:04 <dape> ... will it be independent document ?
06:46:14 <dape> MK: one plan was to make PR
06:46:39 <dape> ... adding it to Current Practices document
06:46:51 <dape> ... need to work on that
06:47:05 <dape> ... or some kind of document that can be included
06:47:26 <dape> McCool: Question: Have you resolved company IP issues?
06:47:43 <dape> MK: did not join yet
06:49:37 <dape> Kaz: managing repos these days in WoT is a bit tricky ...
06:49:49 <dape> ... we are working on a better system
06:50:31 <dape> McCool: should make clear whether we can include parts from non-members
06:50:59 <dape> Kaz: Yes, part of repo management
06:51:55 <dape> TK/MK: Keep it independent..  as best practices
06:52:54 <dape> McCool: prototype is fine too
06:53:19 <kaz> s/non-members/non-participants/
06:53:34 <kaz> s/part of/that's part of/
06:53:41 <dape> TK: plan for CP document: ready till 23th
06:53:52 <kaz> s/as best practices/as best practices at the moment/
06:53:56 <dape> TOPIC: Plans for next plugfest
06:54:23 <kaz> present+ Michael_McCool
06:54:31 <kaz> Chair: Taki
06:54:44 <dape> TK: Last week we continued discussion with linked data task force
06:55:03 <dape> ... not sure whether there was a conclusion
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06:55:15 <kaz> s/... Sebastian/taki: Sebastian/
06:55:21 <dape> ... we don't have Darko today
06:55:25 <kaz> i/... Sebastian/scribenick: dape/
06:55:28 <McCool> present+ Michael_McCool
06:55:30 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
06:55:30 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2017/06/16-wot-td-minutes.html kaz
06:55:54 <dape> VC: Will discuss that this afternoon
06:56:06 <kaz> i/taki: Sebastian/scribenick: dape/
06:56:09 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
06:56:09 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2017/06/16-wot-td-minutes.html kaz
06:56:15 <dape> ... not sure whether there was already a decision... don't think so
06:56:35 <kaz> s|i/... Sebastian/scribenick: dape/||
06:56:37 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
06:56:37 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2017/06/16-wot-td-minutes.html kaz
06:56:49 <dape> TK: 2 parts
06:56:55 <dape> ....1 use case description
06:57:04 <dape> .... 2. implementing TD
06:57:29 <dape> TK: Michael Koster mentioned that use-case is described
06:57:38 <dape> MK: Made github issue
06:58:13 <dape> ... describing high level description of semantic interoperability
06:59:04 <victor> https://github.com/w3c/wot/issues/320
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07:00:06 <dape> .. it basically just opens the discussion
07:02:15 <dape> VC: to test semantic interoperability we need a clear documentation
07:02:23 <dape> ... that is currently still missing
07:02:39 <dape> ... linked data task force tries to do that
07:02:53 <dape> Maria: think linked data task forces meets next weekj
07:03:05 <dape> s/meets next weekj/ meets next week
07:03:16 <dape> VC: should add it to Agenda
07:03:46 <kaz> -> https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/IG_Linked_Data_and_Semantic_Processing_WebConf#Agenda LD agenda
07:04:48 <dape> TOPIC: Overview ongoing AIs (https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/issues)
07:05:00 <dape> TK: one item is new
07:05:19 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
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07:05:19 <dape> ... raised by Maria, see https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/issues/9
07:06:10 <dape> Maria: same attribute for indicating URI interaction pattern and XML schema
07:06:20 <dape> ... think point to 2 different things
07:06:35 <dape> ... meaning of attributes is different
07:06:50 <dape> VC: Do you have an example?
07:07:22 <dape> Maria: not sure. found just model..
07:07:46 <dape> MK: It has different semantic meanings?
07:07:50 <dape> Maria: Correct
07:08:18 <dape> ... same type does not mean the same
07:09:04 <dape> DP: same name pointing to 2 different things not possible?
07:09:12 <dape> VC: Not in JSON-LD
07:10:25 <dape> Maria: semantics is different.. should apply different attribute
07:10:45 <dape> VC: example might help to explain
07:11:30 <dape> ... post-pone it? after next plugfest?
07:11:38 <dape> Maria: Makes sense
07:12:14 <dape> MK: I am using it currently inling the content.. not via href
07:13:56 <dape> ... meaning of href is defined as hypermedia reference.. with mediaType etc
07:13:57 <kaz> present+ Feng_Zhang
07:14:31 <dape> VC: think href is needed to hyperlink to a schema
07:14:40 <dape> ... need uri and mediaType
07:15:22 <dape> VC: link could be schemaLink
07:15:56 <dape> ... different semantics can handled in that way
07:16:26 <dape> Maria: propose examples.. not sure if we are talking about the same
07:16:33 <dape> MK: +1
07:17:23 <kaz> q+
07:17:39 <dape> DP: wonder who can propose examples?
07:17:51 <dape> Kaz: might want to record it
07:18:00 <dape> VC: don't think it is very urgend
07:18:08 <dape> s/urgend/urgent
07:18:25 <dape> .. will reply on the issue
07:19:05 <kaz> -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/issues/9 Maria's issue
07:20:18 <dape> VC: use case was to allow different types of schemas
07:22:21 <dape> VC: Dave had a proposal also...
07:22:44 <dape> Maria: let's wait till it is more clear
07:23:31 <dape> TK: going back to Action Items
07:23:46 <dape> .. think we can close https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/issues/7
07:24:16 <dape> ... semantic annotation (https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/issues/5) no conclusion yet
07:25:43 <dape> .. DP, what about https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/issues/2
07:25:49 <dape> DP: collected test data
07:25:57 <dape> ... initial measurements w.r.t size
07:26:05 <dape> ... other aspects not handled yte
07:26:23 <dape> ... Carsten volunteered in looking into CBOR
07:26:29 <kaz> q?
07:26:31 <kaz> q-
07:26:38 <kaz> q+ to mention the f2f logistics
07:27:06 <dape> TK: Unfortunately we could not discuss Daves proposal
07:27:17 <ohura> q+
07:27:22 <kaz> ack k
07:27:22 <Zakim> kaz, you wanted to mention the f2f logistics
07:27:25 <dape> Kaz: Information about Düsseldorf F2F.
07:27:32 <dape> .... hotel deadline is today!
07:27:49 <kaz> https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/F2F_meeting,_9-13_July_2017,_D%C3%BCsseldorf,_Germany#Recommended_Hotels
07:28:01 <kaz> q?
07:28:13 <ohura> https://github.com/w3c/wot/issues/262
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07:29:08 <nwidell> q+
07:29:43 <kaz> ack nwidell
07:30:14 <dape> Niklas: brief mention: talked about IPSO mapping
07:30:23 <dape> ... we kicked off this work
07:30:28 <kaz> i/Information about/topic: Reminder of hotel deadline for Dusseldorf/
07:30:32 <dape> ... I am off for 3 weeks
07:30:49 <dape> ... work is progressing anyway
07:30:52 <MariaPoveda> apologies, I need to drop.
07:31:25 <dape> ... hope we have something ready till F2F
07:31:36 <dape> ... unfortunately I cannot join F2F
07:31:45 <dape> TK: Thank you!
07:33:00 <kaz> [adjourned]
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