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19:59:30 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be SDW
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19:59:31 <trackbot> Meeting: Spatial Data on the Web Working Group Teleconference
19:59:31 <trackbot> Date: 13 June 2017
19:59:54 <aharth> is the webex online already?
20:00:59 <ahaller2> https://mit.webex.com/mit/j.php?MTID=m307dfc8dd6ecd6dd874d9873194858b7
20:01:08 <ahaller2> use that one
20:01:15 <aharth> ok
20:02:23 <aharth> meeting has not started yet
20:02:32 <aharth> access code  646 395 055
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20:03:34 <mlefranc> same problem ? https://rendez-vous.renater.fr/sdwssn
20:04:01 <ahaller2> yeah, same problem as last week
20:04:50 <mlefranc> let's try rendez-vous today ?
20:04:56 <mlefranc> https://rendez-vous.renater.fr/sdwssn
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20:05:29 <KJanowic> Is the WebeX not set up correctly  or is it just me?
20:05:45 <KJanowic> present+
20:06:08 <ahaller2> no, as usual, not working
20:06:14 <ahaller2> https://rendez-vous.renater.fr/sdwssn
20:06:16 <mlefranc> Jano, try this:  https://rendez-vous.renater.fr/sdwssn
20:07:14 <KJanowic> The interface is in French :-)
20:07:23 <mlefranc> French people love French
20:07:27 <KJanowic> But I guess I can figure it out by the symbols
20:07:47 <aharth> hammer & sichel
20:07:53 <aharth> then choose anglais
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20:09:46 <KJanowic> https://appear.in/ssn
20:11:24 <KJanowic> Ready to go?I have to leave at 2pm (i.e., in 45min)
20:16:51 <ahaller2> next agendum
20:17:29 <ahaller2> scribe: DanhLePhuoc
20:17:33 <ahaller2> scribenick: DanhLePhuoc
20:18:06 <mlefranc> next topic
20:18:07 <ahaller2> next topic
20:18:21 <ahaller2> topic: Approving last meeting's minutes
20:18:30 <ahaller2> https://www.w3.org/2017/06/06-sdwssn-minutes
20:18:31 <mlefranc> +1
20:18:33 <KJanowic> +1
20:18:34 <ahaller2> +1
20:19:13 <ahaller2> topic: patent call https://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/wiki/Patent_Call
20:19:34 <ahaller2> topic: Decide on Pull Request #916 - Reject?
20:19:46 <ahaller2> https://github.com/w3c/sdw/pull/916
20:20:44 <DanhLePhuoc> PR #916 is on relaxing axioms, there were some disscusions among editors
20:20:45 <mlefranc> https://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/wiki/Generic_vs_Specific_Modeling
20:21:03 <DanhLePhuoc> Armin rejected the PR
20:21:49 <KJanowic> q+
20:21:53 <KJanowic> and rightfully so
20:22:46 <ahaller2> q+
20:23:38 <DanhLePhuoc> mlefranc: there might be a problem with strict axioms related to ssn:isPropertyOf a owl:FunctionalProperty  and ssn:hasProperty a owl:InverseFunctionalProperty... as mentioned in the PR's discusions
20:24:09 <ahaller2> ack KJanowic
20:24:50 <mlefranc> q+
20:24:58 <DanhLePhuoc> KJanowic: I stand by the arguments that Simon and I made in the PR's discussion
20:25:09 <ahaller2> q-
20:25:51 <ahaller2> ack mlefranc
20:26:07 <DanhLePhuoc> KJanowic: I recommend not to touch current stage as It still holds in most of the case
20:26:24 <KJanowic> q+
20:26:47 <DanhLePhuoc> mlefranc: we need to relax the axiom ssn:isPropertyOf a owl:FunctionalProperty
20:27:13 <ahaller2> ack KJanowic
20:27:56 <mlefranc> q+
20:28:13 <DanhLePhuoc> KJanowic: the relaxed case can be still done with SOSA
20:28:25 <ahaller2> ack mlefranc
20:29:09 <KJanowic> q+
20:29:27 <ahaller2> ack KJanowic
20:30:05 <mlefranc> q+
20:30:30 <ahaller2> ack mlefranc
20:30:59 <DanhLePhuoc> mlefranc: the ssn:isPropertyOf a owl:FunctionalProperty will lead to reasoning effect : two features of interest will be same if they are linked to the same property
20:32:37 <ahaller2> ACTION: mlefranc to remove ssn:isPropertyOf a owl:FunctionalProperty
20:32:45 <trackbot> Error creating an ACTION: could not connect to Tracker.  Please mail <sysreq@w3.org> with details about what happened.
20:33:32 <mlefranc> ACTION on mlefranc to remove ssn:isPropertyOf a owl:FunctionalProperty
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20:33:40 <mlefranc> ACTION mlefranc to remove ssn:isPropertyOf a owl:FunctionalProperty
20:33:48 <trackbot> Error creating an ACTION: could not connect to Tracker.  Please mail <sysreq@w3.org> with details about what happened.
20:34:12 <ahaller2> topic: Progress on Action-362 - Transferring example from https://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/wiki/GageHeightExample to WD
20:35:52 <DanhLePhuoc> KJanowic: I can have it ready when mlefranc issues the PR
20:36:17 <mlefranc> q+
20:37:15 <ahaller2> topic: Progress on Finalising Pull Request #912, fixes to DUL Alignment
20:37:57 <ahaller2> https://github.com/w3c/sdw/pull/912
20:38:08 <KJanowic> https://github.com/w3c/sdw/pull/923
20:38:49 <DanhLePhuoc> KJanowic: the change is in PR # 923
20:39:11 <KJanowic> "Requested bug fixes to correct the SSN/SOSA alignment to DUL"
20:39:51 <ahaller2> topic: Progress on ISSUE-198 - Actuator and Sampler not in Figure 2/3
20:39:54 <DanhLePhuoc> ahaller2: we can close AC on PR #912
20:40:12 <KJanowic> q+
20:40:35 <DanhLePhuoc> ahaller2: Raul updated some new figures
20:40:53 <DanhLePhuoc> KJanowic: but I don't see the changes in the documents
20:41:10 <ahaller2> q?
20:41:13 <ahaller2> ack mlefranc
20:41:17 <DanhLePhuoc> present+ DanhLePhuoc
20:42:13 <ahaller2> ack KJanowic
20:43:23 <ahaller2> topic: IoT device example that was sent over email
20:45:41 <mlefranc> see email Draft for an answer to Tobias's comment at public-sdw-comments
20:46:01 <aharth> q+
20:46:11 <ahaller2> ack aharth
20:48:21 <mlefranc> q+
20:50:47 <KJanowic> q+
20:50:49 <ahaller2> ack mlefranc
20:51:34 <aharth> the light has a uri: <http://localhost/light>
20:51:47 <aharth> GET on <http://localhost/light> returns "true" (in RDF)
20:51:58 <KJanowic> This seems confusing results, FOI, and observedProperties
20:52:07 <aharth> PUT "false" (in RDF) to <http://localhost/light> would switch the light off
20:52:07 <KJanowic> We have this
20:53:05 <ahaller2> q?
20:53:09 <ahaller2> ack KJanowic
20:54:19 <mlefranc> q+
20:54:20 <DanhLePhuoc> q+
20:54:21 <ahaller2> q?
20:54:25 <ahaller2> ack mlefranc
20:54:28 <mlefranc> q-
20:54:33 <ahaller2> ack DanhLePhuoc
20:55:23 <mlefranc> q+
20:55:26 <KJanowic> q+
20:55:56 <aharth> q+
20:56:05 <KJanowic> Very important remark by Danh, observations are about the past
20:56:27 <KJanowic> exactly!
20:57:24 <ahaller2> ack mlefranc
20:58:33 <KJanowic> q+
20:59:47 <DanhLePhuoc> q+
20:59:52 <ahaller2> ack KJanowic
21:01:41 <ahaller2> ack aharth
21:01:44 <DanhLePhuoc> q-
21:02:08 <KJanowic> q+
21:03:28 <ahaller2> ack KJanowic
21:04:17 <ahaller2> q?
21:04:31 <ahaller2> q?
21:04:37 <aharth> ahaller2: example written out on github
21:04:38 <aharth> +1
21:05:41 <mlefranc> https://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/wiki/IoT-Device-Example
21:05:47 <KJanowic> +1
21:05:49 <mlefranc> please edit this wikipage
21:06:08 <KJanowic> [I have to drop out now]
21:06:18 <KJanowic> Thanks for the Example Tobias/Andreas!
21:06:22 <DanhLePhuoc> aharth: we will move the discussion in the wiki page, and refer it in the mailling list
21:06:31 <KJanowic> ok
21:06:56 <KJanowic> fine with me but I will not be there
21:07:00 <KJanowic> q+
21:07:06 <ahaller2> ack KJanowic
21:08:43 <ahaller2> ACTION: ahaller to send around meeting time proposals for next week
21:08:44 <trackbot> Error finding 'ahaller'. You can review and register nicknames at <http://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/track/users>.
21:08:52 <ahaller2> ACTION: armin to send around meeting time proposals for next week
21:08:53 <trackbot> Created ACTION-378 - Send around meeting time proposals for next week [on Armin Haller - due 2017-06-20].
21:09:24 <ahaller2> topic: Work plan for SSN-Usage note, documenting implementation evidence
21:10:04 <ahaller2> https://github.com/w3c/sdw/pull/921
21:10:53 <mlefranc> q+
21:11:14 <DanhLePhuoc> the SSN-Usage is the living document for updating in next few weeks
21:11:23 <ahaller2> ack mlefranc
21:12:06 <ahaller2> q+
21:12:34 <ahaller2> ack mlefranc
21:14:19 <mlefranc> q+
21:14:46 <ahaller2> ack ahaller
21:14:48 <ahaller2> ack mlefranc
21:16:03 <mlefranc> working on an implementation for https://data.grandlyon.com/
21:17:18 <DanhLePhuoc> ontology publisher and ontology instantiations can be counted as producers
21:17:22 <ahaller2> q+
21:17:33 <ahaller2> ack ahaller
21:19:51 <ahaller2> q?
21:22:32 <ahaller2> q?
21:23:12 <ahaller2> q?
21:23:42 <ahaller2> thanks, bye
21:24:02 <mlefranc> thanks !
21:24:03 <ahaller2> RRSAgent, make logs public
21:24:06 <DanhLePhuoc> bye
21:24:11 <ahaller2> RRSAgent, draft minutes
21:24:11 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2017/06/13-sdwssn-minutes.html ahaller2
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