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19:55:45 <tink> agenda+ HTML5.1 2nd ed CR
19:55:51 <tink> agenda+ HTML5.2 CR
19:56:29 <tink> agenda+ #928 Deprecate or obsolete plugin API
19:56:55 <tink> agenda+ #829 Hooks for IndexedDB
19:57:13 <tink> agenda+ #262 window.open(URL, name)
19:57:34 <tink> agenda+ Features at risk
19:58:02 <tink> agenda+ HTML5.3 + Web Components
20:01:08 <tink> Meeting: HTML meeting
20:01:28 <tink> regrets: Sangwhan
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20:05:55 <LJWatson> I'm on the call and can hear Alex, who can't hear me.
20:06:07 <Travis> Working on getting on the call... hang tight.
20:07:55 <LJWatson> I heard someone join the call.
20:10:29 <LJWatson> zakim, take up item 1
20:10:29 <Zakim> agendum 1. "HTML5.1 2nd ed CR" taken up [from tink]
20:11:25 <LJWatson> zakim, take up item 2
20:11:25 <Zakim> agendum 2. "HTML5.2 CR" taken up [from tink]
20:12:35 <LJWatson> Alex: Have an unfinished PR that affects security.
20:12:43 <LJWatson> LW: Go ahead, we can ping them for input.
20:13:32 <LJWatson> LW: How close to CR readiness are we?
20:13:42 <LJWatson> Alex: Would like to do the IndexedDB issue.
20:13:47 <LJWatson> ... Not sure about the other HP issue.
20:14:52 <LJWatson> Arron: Have a couple I'd like to do, but may not get to them.
20:15:00 <LJWatson> ... They're not critical.
20:15:34 <LJWatson> Travis: Have 3 on the CR milestone.
20:16:19 <LJWatson> .... One wide review.
20:16:27 <LJWatson> LW: That's just a tracker for wide review.
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20:16:35 <LJWatson> Travis: the dialog and one more.
20:16:45 <chaals> rrasgent, draft minutes
20:17:02 <LJWatson> ... can move both out.
20:17:11 <chaals> s/rrasgent, draft minutes//
20:17:21 <chaals> rrsagent, draft minutes
20:17:21 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2017/06/12-html-minutes.html chaals
20:17:36 <LJWatson> Alex: My other is a security issue.
20:17:58 <LJWatson> #262 can move out too.
20:18:04 <chaals> rrsagent, make minutes public
20:18:04 <RRSAgent> I'm logging. I don't understand 'make minutes public', chaals.  Try /msg RRSAgent help
20:18:13 <chaals> rrsagent, make log public
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20:18:41 <LJWatson> Travis: Looking at Sangwhan's issues...
20:19:26 <LJWatson> #538 looks interesting
20:19:54 <LJWatson> LW: Critical?
20:20:00 <chaals> #538 has a PR waiting to go. Alex ok'ed it, Jan Nelson, MS i18n reviewer, ok
20:20:10 <LJWatson> Travis: It's from i18n, but we need Sangwhan on this.
20:20:25 <chaals> (And another reviewer he checked with whose name went into acks but the email trail was private)
20:20:36 <LJWatson> ... There are two others
20:21:04 <arronei> 314 for default style for q element
20:21:08 <chaals> I think Sangwhan's concern is overstated, although I should add an editorial note explaining there is a known issue with potentially confusing names.
20:21:26 <LJWatson> Chaals for this issue?
20:21:37 <arronei> 269 sort out issues with [inputmode]
20:21:37 <LJWatson> Which issue?
20:22:16 <LJWatson> zakim, agenda?
20:22:16 <Zakim> I see 7 items remaining on the agenda:
20:22:17 <Zakim> 1. HTML5.1 2nd ed CR [from tink]
20:22:17 <Zakim> 2. HTML5.2 CR [from tink]
20:22:17 <Zakim> 3. #928 Deprecate or obsolete plugin API [from tink]
20:22:17 <Zakim> 4. #829 Hooks for IndexedDB [from tink]
20:22:17 <Zakim> 5. #262 window.open(URL, name) [from tink]
20:22:17 <Zakim> 6. Features at risk [from tink]
20:22:18 <Zakim> 7. HTML5.3 + Web Components [from tink]
20:22:42 <LJWatson> zakim, take up item 4
20:22:42 <Zakim> agendum 4. "#829 Hooks for IndexedDB" taken up [from tink]
20:23:12 <LJWatson> LW: Timetable?
20:23:36 <LJWatson> Alex: Hope to finish referrer policy PR today.
20:24:10 <LJWatson> LW: Would another week be enough to get the IndexedDB done?
20:24:14 <LJWatson> Alex: Yes
20:24:15 <chaals> present+ chaals
20:24:31 <LJWatson> zakim, take up item 5
20:24:31 <Zakim> agendum 5. "#262 window.open(URL, name)" taken up [from tink]
20:25:31 <LJWatson> LW: Need Xiaoqian for this.
20:25:35 <LJWatson> zakim, agenda?
20:25:35 <Zakim> I see 7 items remaining on the agenda:
20:25:36 <Zakim> 1. HTML5.1 2nd ed CR [from tink]
20:25:36 <Zakim> 2. HTML5.2 CR [from tink]
20:25:36 <Zakim> 3. #928 Deprecate or obsolete plugin API [from tink]
20:25:36 <Zakim> 4. #829 Hooks for IndexedDB [from tink]
20:25:36 <Zakim> 5. #262 window.open(URL, name) [from tink]
20:25:36 <Zakim> 6. Features at risk [from tink]
20:25:37 <Zakim> 7. HTML5.3 + Web Components [from tink]
20:26:35 <LJWatson> Topic: #538
20:26:42 <LJWatson> CMN: Would like it in for CR.
20:27:00 <LJWatson> LW: Can we do it by the end of the week?
20:27:13 <LJWatson> CMN: We have an open PR.
20:27:49 <LJWatson> Arron: I can pick up on the PR.
20:27:54 <LJWatson> Chaals: Can help
20:28:59 <LJWatson> zakim, take up item 3
20:28:59 <Zakim> agendum 3. "#928 Deprecate or obsolete plugin API" taken up [from tink]
20:30:07 <LJWatson> Alex: Al browser are moving away.
20:30:27 <LJWatson> Travis: We could move portions to obsolete.
20:30:39 <LJWatson> CMN: We should indicate it's at risk.
20:31:50 <LJWatson> Travis: That sends a strong signal.
20:31:57 <LJWatson> LW: Before CR?
20:32:00 <LJWatson> CMN: Yes
20:32:39 <LJWatson> LW: Any objections?
20:32:44 <LJWatson> None.
20:32:53 <LJWatson> zakim, agenda?
20:32:53 <Zakim> I see 7 items remaining on the agenda:
20:32:54 <Zakim> 1. HTML5.1 2nd ed CR [from tink]
20:32:54 <Zakim> 2. HTML5.2 CR [from tink]
20:32:54 <Zakim> 3. #928 Deprecate or obsolete plugin API [from tink]
20:32:54 <Zakim> 4. #829 Hooks for IndexedDB [from tink]
20:32:54 <Zakim> 5. #262 window.open(URL, name) [from tink]
20:32:54 <Zakim> 6. Features at risk [from tink]
20:32:55 <Zakim> 7. HTML5.3 + Web Components [from tink]
20:33:14 <LJWatson> zakim, take up item 6
20:33:14 <Zakim> agendum 6. "Features at risk" taken up [from tink]
20:33:33 <LJWatson> CMN: #893 lists the items at risk
20:34:12 <LJWatson> input type=datetime
20:34:14 <LJWatson> dialog
20:34:17 <LJWatson> allowPresentation
20:34:24 <LJWatson> men and menuitem
20:34:51 <LJWatson> Input mode.
20:35:37 <LJWatson> LW: We have tests for most of these.
20:36:25 <LJWatson> CMN: Yes, except input mode or plugin API
20:38:38 <LJWatson> Travis: Need to be clear what we mean by the plugin API.
20:39:45 <Travis> Looking at API Catalog, nav.plugins and doc.plugins are supported by all major browsers
20:40:00 <Travis> <object> is supported everywhere of course.
20:40:11 <Travis> <embed> as well...?
20:40:56 <LJWatson> LW: On what basis do we mark it as at risk?
20:41:04 <LJWatson> CMN: We could just deprecate it.
20:41:09 <LJWatson> Travis: That's a big step.
20:41:52 <LJWatson> LW: Deprecation is us pointing the web platform in a certain direction.
20:42:11 <LJWatson> ... Ok, so we'll mark it as at risk and revisit in CR.
20:42:38 <LJWatson> CMn: Be good to get concrete message of intent from vendors.
20:43:16 <Travis> Marking at risk lets us move spec content to a deprecated section after CR?
20:46:42 <LJWatson> zakim, take up item 7
20:46:42 <Zakim> agendum 7. "HTML5.3 + Web Components" taken up [from tink]
20:47:12 <LJWatson> CMN: Suggestion to roll these specs together.
20:47:34 <chaals> [Is it reasonable to suggest to the WG that we consider this?]
20:48:01 <LJWatson> Travis: Was good as separate docs. In the WHATWG spec it's part of the morass.
20:48:19 <LJWatson> CMN: Maintenance is not good atm. So we're losing out in both ways.
20:48:45 <LJWatson> Travis: it would be nice to incorporate it.
20:49:20 <LJWatson> Arron: Modular is my usual preference, but in this case it makes sense to include it.
20:50:18 <LJWatson> rrsagent, make minutes
20:50:18 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2017/06/12-html-minutes.html LJWatson
20:50:26 <LJWatson> rrsagent, set logs world-visible
20:50:28 <LJWatson> rrsagent, make minutes
20:50:28 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2017/06/12-html-minutes.html LJWatson
20:51:36 <LJWatson> present: Léonie, Travis, Arron, Alex
20:54:38 <chaals> present+ chaals
20:54:43 <chaals> rrsagent, draft minutes
20:54:43 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2017/06/12-html-minutes.html chaals
23:35:13 <sangwhan> I'll get the PR merged asap, chaals' remarks considered
23:35:13 <botie> sangwhan, at 2017-06-12 17:57 UTC, tink said: and Travis it'd be good if they could review/merge the PRs assigned to them.