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12:41:36 <trackbot> Meeting: XForms Users Community Group Teleconference
12:41:36 <trackbot> Date: 07 June 2017
12:41:41 <Steven_> Agenda: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xformsusers/2017Jun/0001
12:41:52 <Steven_> Steven_ has changed the topic to: Agenda: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xformsusers/2017Jun/0001
12:42:07 <Steven> Chair: Steven
12:42:11 <Steven> Regrets: Alaian
12:42:17 <Steven> s/sis/si/
12:42:28 <Steven> s/aia/ai/
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13:02:16 <Steven> Topic: XForms from XSDs?
13:02:16 <Steven> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xformsusers/2017May/0051.html
13:04:27 <Steven> Steven: Can we help this guy?
13:05:21 <Steven> Philip: I've been in a similar situation.
13:05:57 <Steven> Steven: I've seen it done; Cordys had such a system, where you could drop an XSD, and it produced a first version of a form, with a binding to everything
13:06:13 <Steven> ... and you could then drag controls around, or delete them.
13:07:15 <Steven> Present+Oewn-Ambur
13:08:53 <Steven> s/Oewn/Owen/
13:09:07 <Steven> Present: Erik, Philip, Steven, OwenAmbur
13:12:32 <Steven> https://stackoverflow.com/questions/18616008/xsd-to-xforms-and-xforms-to-xsd-conversion
13:13:08 <Steven> Steven: So there is that link, which has some pointers, you could try those three suggestions.
13:13:25 <Steven> Topic: Dispatch with delay="0"
13:13:25 <Steven> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xformsusers/2017May/0049.html
13:13:34 <Steven> Steven: We need Alain to answer the question
13:13:45 <Steven> ... so I'll put this on hold until he returns.
13:14:18 <Steven> Topic: Events after xforms-disabled
13:14:18 <Steven> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xformsusers/2017Jun/0000
13:14:18 <Steven> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xformsusers/2017May/0030
13:16:03 <Steven> Steven: The problem I was trying to solve was that the disabled event is dispatched after the control is disabled.
13:16:29 <Steven> ... So maybe the solution is just to warn people of that, and say that listeners must be outside the control itself.
13:16:46 <Steven> Erik: What is our exact wording about disabled handlers? Let me look...
13:16:56 <ebruchez> 5.3.5 The relevant Property
13:17:02 <ebruchez> "event handlers for events targeted to a non-relevant control are disabled"
13:17:25 <ebruchez> "When a control becomes relevant, the action handlers that listen for events on the control must be re-enabled"
13:17:29 <ebruchez> 8.3.3 Relevance
13:19:02 <Steven> ACTION: Steven to replace all "listeners" to "handlers"
13:19:02 <trackbot> Created ACTION-2128 - Replace all "listeners" to "handlers" [on Steven Pemberton - due 2017-06-14].
13:20:26 <Steven> Steven: Does our wording reflect reality?
13:20:53 <Steven> Erik: XML Events is meant to be a declarative spec for DOM Events, so what happens in DOM events should drive this
13:21:16 <Steven> ... so we don't really need to disable such handlers.
13:22:03 <Steven> Steven: So you are saying don't disable handlers, because after the control is disabled, events are not sent?
13:22:13 <Steven> Erik: Yes, that was a suggestion.
13:22:30 <Steven> ... IF we remove that wording, I don't see a problem.
13:22:36 <Steven> s/IF/If/
13:22:52 <Steven> ... I don't see the motivation for that text
13:23:42 <Steven> ... you could make a case for a handler nested in a control being disabled.
13:24:10 <Steven> Steven: Sounds convincing.
13:25:57 <Steven> ACTION: Steven to draft text for handler disabling
13:25:57 <trackbot> Created ACTION-2129 - Draft text for handler disabling [on Steven Pemberton - due 2017-06-14].
13:26:15 <Steven> Topic: AOB
13:26:22 <Steven> [None]
13:26:36 <Steven> [ADJOURN]
13:27:05 <Steven> rrsagent, make minutes
13:27:05 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2017/06/07-forms-minutes.html Steven
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