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15:42:20 <ivan> Meeting: Publishing Steering Committee Telco
15:42:44 <ivan> Chair: Rick_Johnson
15:43:02 <ivan> Agenda: http://www.w3.org/mid/958105B1-401B-4125-AE47-730EF2BF798F@ingramcontent.com
15:43:28 <ivan> Regrets: Bill_Kasdorf, Jun-ichi_Yoshii
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16:03:51 <ivan> zakim, who is here?
16:03:51 <Zakim> Present: Luc, ivan, RickJ, George, tzviya, BillM, Karen, Kyrce, Mike_Baker
16:03:53 <Zakim> On IRC I see tzviya, RickJ, George, laudrain, cmussinelli, Zakim, RRSAgent, ivan
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16:05:28 <RickJ> https://www.w3.org/2017/04/publ-wg-charter/0524-draft.html
16:06:17 <George> GK: George scribing.
16:06:22 <ivan> scribenick: George
16:06:43 <George> IH: charter update there is an email sent out about the charter.
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16:07:09 <garth> present+ Garth
16:07:11 <George> IH: It is a version that answers the issues that were submitted.
16:07:33 <George> IH: it looks like a rewrite but it is lawyer friendly version.
16:08:02 <George> .IH: The objectors received the rewrite
16:08:47 <George> IH: Wendy sent out an email to all that have commented; does this charter work for the commentors. They have a week to reply.
16:08:49 <tzviya> q+
16:09:15 <BillMcCoy> q+
16:09:28 <RickJ> q+
16:09:34 <George> IH: It would then go through the W3C process.
16:09:36 <ivan> ack tzviya
16:09:37 <garth> q?
16:10:33 <George> TS: I had a call about  the new draft and it seems they are OK with the rewrite.
16:10:44 <ivan> ack RickJ
16:11:41 <George> RJ: In the deliverables section we talked about more complete vocabulary. However, we said out of scope was metadata.
16:11:56 <George> IH: We would not write a new ONIX etc.
16:11:59 <ivan> ack BillMcCoy
16:12:27 <George> BM:TZ's reach out was approved.
16:13:01 <George> BM: W3M seems good, Wendy will drive this process.
16:13:49 <George> BM: Now that it has been sent to the SC, Wendy wants comments if not OK. Let's us avoide any rewrites, unless it is really essential.
16:14:31 <George> TZ: New  language is how agreement was reached.
16:14:39 <BillMcCoy> ack BillMcCoy
16:14:48 <George> RJ: Any other questions.
16:15:26 <ivan> Topic: Final f2f agenda
16:15:48 <ivan> zakim, who is here?
16:15:48 <Zakim> Present: Luc, ivan, RickJ, George, tzviya, BillM, Karen, Kyrce, Mike_Baker, Garth
16:15:51 <Zakim> On IRC I see garth, BillMcCoy, Mike_B, tzviya, RickJ, George, laudrain, cmussinelli, Zakim, RRSAgent, ivan
16:15:56 <George> RJ: Next item Garth sent out an agenda for the F2f.
16:16:17 <George> GC: The agenda is in draft and not final.
16:16:22 <garth> q?
16:16:36 <George> RJ: the rest of the agenda was not sent out.
16:17:05 <George> RJ: update on ISO
16:17:15 <ivan> Topic: ISO updates
16:17:42 <George> BM We are getting information from ISO.
16:18:21 <George> BM 3.0.1 is being prepared by Korean folks.
16:18:42 <George> BM: This Korean submission complicates the process.
16:19:01 <George> BM: Do we want to move forward with a TS.
16:19:16 <George> BM: Let's let the ISO folks come back to us.
16:19:45 <George> BM: Tzvia is back!
16:20:10 <laudrain> q+
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16:20:18 <George> BM: Dr Cho was willing to do the work to update 3.0.1
16:20:41 <George> BM: would there be valuse in a 3.0.1
16:22:53 <BillMcCoy> q+
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16:23:05 <George> AL: I thought 3.0.1 was done in support of the ISO process.
16:23:39 <George> AL: Strange situation. I agree with George to move forward with accessibility standard and move to ISO.
16:24:04 <George> RJ: What are our action items?
16:24:12 <RickJ> ack laud
16:24:15 <RickJ> ack billm
16:24:22 <ivan> ack laudrain
16:24:22 <ivan> ack BillMcCoy
16:24:37 <ivan> regrets+ Liisa
16:25:01 <George> BM: 3.0.1 has several holes, adding collections abstraction. 3.0.1 is a meaningfull update.
16:25:52 <George> BM: What this group is the group needs to identify the priorities. and there are several options. 3.0.1 may happen.
16:26:33 <George> BM: The accessibility spec is what should be considered. There are different paths.
16:26:38 <tzviya> q+ to ask for a clear explanation of a11y needs for ISO
16:26:45 <George> RJ: What is the timing.
16:27:20 <George> BM We could be dragged into errata based on ISO review.
16:27:50 <George> BM: We should decide what this groups should be done. This would provide direction to SC 34.
16:28:22 <George> TS: I am confused. Are there legal requirements tied to ISO.
16:28:37 <George> TS: what are the legal requirements on accessibility.
16:29:12 <George> AL: The EU accessibility would adoption and would fall under EU mandates.
16:29:47 <cmussinelli> q+
16:29:55 <RickJ> ack tz
16:29:55 <Zakim> tzviya, you wanted to ask for a clear explanation of a11y needs for ISO
16:30:24 <George> AL: The EU standard would publish the accessibility mandates. We hope it would be based on existing standards. It could be ISO or W3C. The EU commission would referent  these standards.
16:30:51 <ivan> ack tzviya
16:31:00 <ivan> scribenick: laudrain
16:31:35 <laudrain> Cristina : for Europe, standards have to be done by EU organization
16:31:55 <laudrain> The corean one as not receivable by EU
16:31:56 <tzviya> q+
16:32:22 <ivan> ack cmussinelli
16:32:26 <ivan> present+ cmussinelli
16:32:36 <laudrain> … we have to check again, but EU has to wait for the end of the ISO level
16:33:23 <laudrain> … we would like to avoid that the EU standard is different from the exising one at international level
16:33:25 <ivan> ack tzviya
16:33:58 <laudrain> Tzviya : why would it be a ISO standard and not a W3C one
16:34:17 <laudrain> … W3C should be sufficient, should be checked
16:34:55 <laudrain> BM: W3C will not have an EPUB standard before years, and EPUB3 isn’t a W3C rec
16:35:52 <laudrain> BM: Makoto want to push accessibilty 1.0 and Dr Cho push EPUB 3.0.1
16:36:13 <laudrain> Tzivya : this question is time consuming
16:36:38 <laudrain> BM: iso for 3.0.1 brings a bias
16:37:24 <laudrain> Luc: we should clarify for Europe
16:37:52 <George> q+
16:38:09 <laudrain> Cristiana : we need to do some research and bring back on what will happen
16:38:23 <laudrain> s/Cristiana/Cristina/
16:38:29 <cmussinelli> no problem...
16:38:47 <laudrain> BM: just do nothing for W3C pov
16:39:12 <BillMcCoy> +1 to F2F in NYC (not just for ISO though...)
16:39:14 <laudrain> RJ: meeting in New York, a SC F2F?
16:39:20 <BillMcCoy> I will be there Tues 21 as well as 22/23
16:39:34 <laudrain> Cristina: I may be there
16:39:40 <garth> Would work for me.
16:39:42 <BillMcCoy> Wed 21 I meant...
16:39:49 <laudrain> RJ: I’ll do a poll
16:39:51 <BillMcCoy> so Wed dinner is an option for me
16:39:53 <cmussinelli> do you have an idea on when the f22 will start?
16:40:15 <laudrain> George: moving the a11y in ISO to get more weight
16:40:56 <laudrain> … cofusing is WCAG2.1 in dev on short schedule, anr WCAG3 on a longer term
16:41:08 <laudrain> s/cofusing/confusing/
16:41:36 <laudrain> RJ: George can you do a reseach on a11y side
16:41:43 <laudrain> George: ok
16:42:25 <RickJ> q?
16:42:31 <ivan> ack George
16:42:33 <cmussinelli> q+
16:43:24 <laudrain> RJ : 2 items : Publishing summit in November and support on EPUB3. Which one ?
16:43:33 <BillMcCoy> suggest since we have PC for Pub Summit and we are short on time today we could just take the EPUB 3 topic... even though I suggested the other one...
16:44:22 <ivan> topic: epub3 is alive!
16:44:41 <laudrain> RJ: point in the thread about the subject on EPUB3
16:45:22 <laudrain> RJ: summary of the mail thread
16:45:38 <garth> q?
16:45:50 <tzviya> q+
16:46:10 <George> q+
16:46:19 <RickJ> ack cmuss
16:46:22 <ivan> ack cmussinelli
16:46:24 <ivan> ack tzviya
16:47:06 <laudrain> Tzviya: Kindle did recently things like KFX, blackbox and awfull
16:47:29 <laudrain> … People forgot what epub can do
16:47:30 <ivan> ack George
16:47:32 <garth> q?
16:48:25 <laudrain> George: sounds like mktg. We should market EPUB3 to the World and november summit is a good palce to do it
16:48:41 <laudrain> … we should have a marketing group fot that
16:48:47 <ivan> zakim, who is here?
16:48:47 <Zakim> Present: Luc, ivan, RickJ, George, tzviya, BillM, Karen, Kyrce, Mike_Baker, Garth, cmussinelli
16:48:49 <Zakim> On IRC I see tzviya, garth, BillMcCoy, Mike_B, RickJ, George, laudrain, cmussinelli, Zakim, RRSAgent, ivan
16:48:53 <laudrain> RJ;: do we have marketing resources?
16:48:57 <Mike_B> q+
16:49:02 <laudrain> … in W3C?
16:49:17 <laudrain> BM: our biggest platform is the summit
16:50:05 <laudrain> … classic marketing, like EDRlab EPUB Summit in Europe
16:51:03 <laudrain> … it is in our mental model EPUB3 is supported by W3C
16:51:31 <laudrain> Mike: EPUB3 as an ongoing viable solution
16:51:49 <garth> q?
16:51:54 <garth> ack Mike_B
16:52:07 <garth> q+
16:52:22 <ivan> rrsagent, draft minutes
16:52:22 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2017/05/30-pbgsc-minutes.html ivan
16:52:37 <laudrain> … the tranisaiton with a migration path, and EPUB3 solves a lot for publishers, so marketing all the different things it solves for publishers
16:52:39 <RickJ> q+
16:52:50 <ivan> ack garth
16:52:53 <laudrain> … How to make it happen
16:53:05 <laudrain> Garth : a differnt format?
16:53:15 <laudrain> Like :our own format
16:53:40 <BillMcCoy> "just use HTML5" - is the main alternative to EPUB3 IMO (but that really means creating something one-off and not necessarily interoperable across systems)
16:53:50 <BillMcCoy> ... and not necessarily accessible...
16:54:26 <laudrain> … we are commited to EPUB3, but it’s not obvious to the executive teams what the existing EPUB brings
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16:54:39 <Kyrce> +q
16:54:56 <ivan> ack Kyrce
16:55:11 <laudrain> Kyrce: we didn’t address the benefit of the end user
16:55:43 <laudrain> … there may be some use we can show
16:56:08 <laudrain> … for certain user group, DRM free is high desirabilty
16:57:18 <laudrain> George: we need to agressively promote EPUB in the summit
16:57:56 <laudrain> RJ: communicating the vibrancy of the CG
16:58:28 <laudrain> RJ: consider moving the SC to a weekly meeting, after NY F2F?
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16:58:38 <ivan> rrsagent, draft minutes
16:58:38 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2017/05/30-pbgsc-minutes.html ivan
16:58:43 <ivan> zakim, bye
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17:06:44 <BillMcCoy> https://www.w3.org/Team/wiki/DigPub/IDPF
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