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12:57:35 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be
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12:57:36 <trackbot> Meeting: Accessible Platform Architectures Working Group Teleconference
12:57:36 <trackbot> Date: 24 May 2017
12:58:03 <jasonjgw> agenda+ CAPTCHA findings - reporting to APA Working Group
12:58:32 <jasonjgw> agenda+ Other research topics: updates/discussion
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13:03:01 <janina> scribe: janina
13:03:06 <janina> zakim, next item
13:03:06 <Zakim> agendum 1. "CAPTCHA findings - reporting to APA Working Group" taken up [from jasonjgw]
13:04:25 <janina> jgw: There's agreement on list we can forward this to APA for use updating the Tuering Test paper.
13:04:38 <janina> sh: Agree
13:04:54 <scott_h> present+
13:04:57 <janina> jgw: Understanding has always been this would be collaborative with APA.
13:05:48 <janina> jgw: May be more to add as we go forward, but things seem ready now.
13:05:59 <janina> jgw: I saw one more paper with nothing really knew.
13:07:10 <janina> DRAFT RESOLUTION: Forward Captcha findings to APA WG, with proviso additional updates may be forthcoming.
13:07:59 <janina> RESOLUTION: Forward Captcha findings to APA WG, with proviso additional updates may be forthcoming.
13:09:43 <janina> jb: Still wanting to point out that captcha should be no more than differentiating humans from machines
13:11:08 <janina> jb: Rather they differentiate pwds as machines
13:12:28 <janina> jgw: Notes that Jason and Janina will work on the APA update edits.
13:13:43 <janina> sh: Noting there's also the point that captchas aren't that good at security, either
13:15:33 <janina> jgw: Notes not effective against organized crime because human labor can be enlisted to database captcha solutions.
13:16:12 <Judy> [jb: hears sh suggesting that this language go up front. Slight morph/combo of judy and scott's language: "rather than separating humans from computers, most CAPTCHAs separate able-bodied from disabled humans; nor do they do well for security, either.']
13:19:14 <Judy> "Rather than differentiating humans from computers, most CAPTCHAs differentiate disabled from able-bodied humans. Additionally, they often fail to protect security effectively."
13:20:13 <Judy> "Rather than differentiating humans from computers, many types of CAPTCHAs differentiate disabled from able-bodied humans. Additionally, they often fail to protect security effectively."
13:22:49 <scott_h> suggestion: "A common issues associated with CAPTCHA to rule people with disabilities as a bot and sas such it prevents effective participation"
13:22:50 <janina> jgw: More generally known as "human interaction proofs"
13:23:08 <janina> jgw: There's literatrue about crowd sourcing
13:23:49 <janina> jgw: Crowd sourcing being used to create a db of questions and answers
13:27:19 <janina> jb: Please someone remember to bring this up as edits move forward
13:27:22 <janina> jgw: Will do
13:27:27 <janina> janina: Also me
13:27:53 <janina> jb: Still talking with Wendy about when we might be able to schedule a conversation
13:28:29 <janina> zakim, next item
13:28:29 <Zakim> agendum 2. "Other research topics: updates/discussion" taken up [from jasonjgw]
13:30:30 <janina> jgw: nOting the upcoming APA meeting on Personalization Approaches which may provide research questions
13:30:37 <janina> jgw: We need to be aware
13:32:10 <janina> jgw: Will communicate results here from this meeting
13:32:46 <janina> jgw: Looking at bio factor based authentication
13:33:00 <janina> jgw: Not anywhere in W3C, but in EU and US reqs
13:33:18 <janina> jgw: Issue appears to be having multiple bio metrics available for users to prefer among
13:34:17 <janina> sh: I've been working on WoT a11y, aimed at completion late summer
13:37:15 <janina> js: Suggests looking whether proposals include assessment of ability to deliver. Questions ability using IPv4 and NAT
13:41:45 <janina> [general discussion of privacy for a11y health info]
13:42:15 <janina> js: Will look again for paper on NEST devices phoning home over a private IPv6 subnet
13:44:10 <janina> jgw: WoT literature overview late June?
13:44:12 <janina> sh: Yes.
13:46:35 <janina> js: Here's a device that supports both Alexa and Google Home:
13:46:37 <janina> http://linuxgizmos.com/android-smart-speaker-supports-alexa-and-google-assistant/
13:49:21 <janina> [discussion whether VXML recommendation is sufficient for these approaches]
13:54:24 <janina> js: Also noting for Jason and all the upcoming joint meeting between VR and APA. May be 7 June
13:55:59 <jasonjgw> zakim, bye;rrsagent, make minutes
13:55:59 <Zakim> I don't understand 'bye;rrsagent, make minutes', jasonjgw
13:56:10 <jasonjgw> zakim, bye
13:56:10 <Zakim> leaving.  As of this point the attendees have been scott_h
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13:56:21 <jasonjgw> rrsagent, make minutes
13:56:21 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2017/05/24-rqtf-minutes.html jasonjgw
13:56:54 <janina> rrsagent, bye
13:56:54 <RRSAgent> I see no action items