IRC log of forms on 2017-05-24

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Zakim, this will be
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I don't understand 'this will be', trackbot
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Meeting: XForms Users Community Group Teleconference
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Date: 24 May 2017
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Agenda: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xformsusers/2017May/0035
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Steven has changed the topic to: Agenda: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xformsusers/2017May/0035
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Chair: Steven
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Topic: ACTION-2122: Update the spec @incremental text
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https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xformsusers/2017May/0018
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Steven: I did this. Please check.
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Topic: ACTION-2123: Update the control events as per the email
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https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xformsusers/2017May/0014
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Steven: I did this too.
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... please read carefully.
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Topic: Events after xforms-disabled
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https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xformsusers/2017May/0030
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Steven: Should events be targetted at disabled controls?
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Erik: Two different philosophies
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... they are still functioning at some level.
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... In our implementation they don't receive events
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... If it remains disabled, we don't dispatch events.
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Steven: Listeners also get disabled
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Erik; I believe so
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s/;/:/
13:09:25 [ebruchez]
5.3.5 The relevant Property
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"event handlers for events targeted to a non-relevant control are disabled"
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https://www.w3.org/community/xformsusers/wiki/XForms_2.0#The_relevant_Property
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Erik: Not sure if this is right...
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Erik: What about the case of submitting a disabled event to a control with a listener for that event...
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... a corner case.
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... Not sure why this is even in the spec.
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... Doesn't seem very necessary.
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Steven: We also have this in the spec:
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"If a run-time element is destroyed, then any delayed events targeted at
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that element are removed from the delayed event queue. A run-time element
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may be destroyed for a number of reasons, such as removal of controls
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associated by a repeat with an instance data node that is destroyed."
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Steven: What happens when a delayed event dispatch is targetted at a disabled element
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Erik: Also a corner case, but I can see how it could happen.
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Steven: Do we just leave it as it is?
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Erik: Ideally, xforms-disabled needs to be clarified.
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... I don't see the need for disabling event handlers.
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... There may have been a rationale.
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... I should check what our implementation does.
13:19:27 [ebruchez]
https://github.com/orbeon/orbeon-forms/issues/134
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Erik: Oh I see a case, where events handlers are in a group that has become nonrelevant
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Steven: But a group is a control, so it is just handled by the general case.
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Steven: Discuss next week.
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Topic: ACTION-2124: Deprecate the refresh etc events
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https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xformsusers/2017May/0015
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Include reset?
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https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xformsusers/2017May/0031
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Steven: Done. But is reset included in the deprecated list?
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s/is reset/should reset be/
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... Look at this table: https://www.w3.org/community/xformsusers/wiki/XForms_2.0#Events
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Erik: That's OK.
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We still cannot hear you.
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I'll rejoin
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Topic: Dispatch with delay="0"
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https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xformsusers/2017May/0034.html
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Steven: So you mean you want to say "dispatch this event immediately after I've finished".
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Erik: The spec says a delay of 0 means it is dispatched immediately.
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... which means while the current heandler is running, the event is dispatched.
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Alain: I always put an event on the queue, delay=0 or absent.
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Steven: Do you have use case for dispatching immediately Erik?
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Erik: Good question.
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... I wonder what JS does.
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ACTION: Erik to check whether JS always queues events.
13:35:51 [trackbot]
Created ACTION-2125 - Check whether js always queues events. [on Erik Bruchez - due 2017-05-31].
13:36:30 [Steven]
Erik: So there is a question whether we need the use case to dispatch immediately
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... there are small things in that text. What happens if delay="bar"
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Steven: Right, in other cases, we don't dispatch.
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Erik: The empty string would be OK, but not garbage
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ACTION: Steven to update dispatch text not to accept garbage for @delay
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Created ACTION-2126 - Update dispatch text not to accept garbage for @delay [on Steven Pemberton - due 2017-05-31].
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Topic: AOB
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[None]
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[ADJOURN]
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Present: Alain, Erik, Philip, Steven
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rrsagent, make minutes
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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2017/05/24-forms-minutes.html Steven
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