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12:29:42 <trackbot> Meeting: XForms Users Community Group Teleconference
12:29:42 <trackbot> Date: 24 May 2017
12:30:03 <Steven> Agenda: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xformsusers/2017May/0035
12:30:11 <Steven> Steven has changed the topic to: Agenda: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xformsusers/2017May/0035
12:30:16 <Steven> Chair: Steven
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13:04:47 <Steven> Topic: ACTION-2122: Update the spec @incremental text
13:04:47 <Steven> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xformsusers/2017May/0018
13:05:00 <Steven> Steven: I did this. Please check.
13:05:13 <Steven> Topic: ACTION-2123: Update the control events as per the email
13:05:13 <Steven> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xformsusers/2017May/0014
13:05:27 <Steven> Steven: I did this too.
13:05:40 <Steven> ... please read carefully.
13:05:58 <Steven> Topic: Events after xforms-disabled
13:05:58 <Steven> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xformsusers/2017May/0030
13:07:01 <Steven> Steven: Should events be targetted at disabled controls?
13:07:09 <Steven> Erik: Two different philosophies
13:07:23 <Steven> ... they are still functioning at some level.
13:07:50 <Steven> ... In our implementation they don't receive events
13:08:12 <Steven> ... If it remains disabled, we don't dispatch events.
13:08:39 <Steven> Steven: Listeners also get disabled
13:08:43 <Steven> Erik; I believe so
13:08:46 <Steven> s/;/:/
13:09:25 <ebruchez> 5.3.5 The relevant Property
13:09:33 <ebruchez> "event handlers for events targeted to a non-relevant control are disabled"
13:10:10 <Steven> https://www.w3.org/community/xformsusers/wiki/XForms_2.0#The_relevant_Property
13:10:33 <Steven> Erik: Not sure if this is right...
13:12:27 <Steven> Erik: What about the case of submitting a disabled event to a control with a listener for that event...
13:12:37 <Steven> ... a corner case.
13:13:06 <Steven> ... Not sure why this is even in the spec.
13:13:15 <Steven> ... Doesn't seem very necessary.
13:14:40 <Steven> Steven: We also have this in the spec:
13:14:57 <Steven> "If a run-time element is destroyed, then any delayed events targeted at
13:14:57 <Steven> that element are removed from the delayed event queue. A run-time element
13:14:57 <Steven> may be destroyed for a number of reasons, such as removal of controls
13:14:57 <Steven> associated by a repeat with an instance data node that is destroyed."
13:15:44 <Steven> Steven: What happens when a delayed event dispatch is targetted at a disabled element
13:16:22 <Steven> Erik: Also a corner case, but I can see how it could happen.
13:16:52 <Steven> Steven: Do we just leave it as it is?
13:17:18 <Steven> Erik: Ideally, xforms-disabled needs to be clarified.
13:17:54 <Steven> ... I don't see the need for disabling event handlers.
13:18:01 <Steven> ... There may have been a rationale.
13:18:16 <Steven> ... I should check what our implementation does.
13:19:27 <ebruchez> https://github.com/orbeon/orbeon-forms/issues/134
13:19:29 <Steven> Erik: Oh I see a case, where events handlers are in a group that has become nonrelevant
13:20:05 <Steven> Steven: But a group is a control, so it is just handled by the general case.
13:20:55 <Steven> Steven: Discuss next week.
13:21:14 <Steven> Topic: ACTION-2124: Deprecate the refresh etc events
13:21:14 <Steven> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xformsusers/2017May/0015
13:21:14 <Steven> Include reset?
13:21:14 <Steven> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xformsusers/2017May/0031
13:21:31 <Steven> Steven: Done. But is reset included in the deprecated list?
13:22:04 <Steven> s/is reset/should reset be/
13:23:45 <Steven> ... Look at this table: https://www.w3.org/community/xformsusers/wiki/XForms_2.0#Events
13:24:19 <Steven> Erik: That's OK.
13:26:19 <ebruchez> We still cannot hear you.
13:26:26 <Steven> I'll rejoin
13:28:26 <Steven> Topic: Dispatch with delay="0"
13:28:26 <Steven> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xformsusers/2017May/0034.html
13:30:24 <Steven> Steven: So you mean you want to say "dispatch this event immediately after I've finished".
13:31:38 <Steven> Erik: The spec says a delay of 0 means it is dispatched immediately.
13:32:21 <Steven> ... which means while the current heandler is running, the event is dispatched.
13:34:21 <Steven> Alain: I always put an event on the queue, delay=0 or absent.
13:35:14 <Steven> Steven: Do you have use case for dispatching immediately Erik?
13:35:19 <Steven> Erik: Good question.
13:35:28 <Steven> ... I wonder what JS does.
13:35:50 <Steven> ACTION: Erik to check whether JS always queues events.
13:35:51 <trackbot> Created ACTION-2125 - Check whether js always queues events. [on Erik Bruchez - due 2017-05-31].
13:36:30 <Steven> Erik: So there is a question whether we need the use case to dispatch immediately
13:36:57 <Steven> ... there are small things in that text. What happens if delay="bar"
13:37:18 <Steven> Steven: Right, in other cases, we don't dispatch.
13:37:49 <Steven> Erik: The empty string would be OK, but not garbage
13:38:22 <Steven> ACTION: Steven to update dispatch text not to accept garbage for @delay
13:38:23 <trackbot> Created ACTION-2126 - Update dispatch text not to accept garbage for @delay [on Steven Pemberton - due 2017-05-31].
13:38:47 <Steven> Topic: AOB
13:38:51 <Steven> [None]
13:38:56 <Steven> [ADJOURN]
13:39:31 <Steven> Present: Alain, Erik, Philip, Steven
13:39:48 <Steven> rrsagent, make minutes
13:39:48 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2017/05/24-forms-minutes.html Steven
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