IRC log of dnt on 2017-05-22
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- Zakim, this will be TRACK
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- ok, trackbot
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- Meeting: Tracking Protection Working Group Teleconference
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- Date: 22 May 2017
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- present+
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- present+ dsinger
- 16:06:25 [wileys]
- Here
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- https://github.com/w3c/dnt/issues/21
- 16:08:39 [wileys]
- More important than the proposal is a review of the motivation of the additional TPE elments and their intended use by implementors - across all parties included expected handling by UAs
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- there
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- their
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- q+
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- present+
- 16:13:00 [schunter]
- A site that registers an exception MUST publish...
- 16:13:39 [rvaneijk]
- nice change indeed
- 16:14:28 [mikeoneill]
- i will change that after this meeting
- 16:16:04 [wileys]
- Well stated David!
- 16:16:31 [mikeoneill]
- The TSR is meant to be dynamic, i.e. could be dependant on DNT 0 or 1
- 16:17:42 [wileys]
- Machine readable = Tracking Protection LIst
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- q?
- 16:18:09 [wileys]
- Starts as optional until the EU Data Protection Board attempts to mandate it in some fashion
- 16:18:13 [dsinger]
- q-
- 16:18:16 [schunter]
- q+ aleecia
- 16:18:17 [mikeoneill]
- q+
- 16:18:26 [schunter]
- ack alee
- 16:18:39 [wileys]
- Not trying to state it is P3P
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- +q
- 16:19:47 [wileys]
- Happy to answer those questions
- 16:20:22 [wileys]
- To be fair this conversation is a bit out of scope of DNT
- 16:20:46 [dsinger]
- https://github.com/w3c/dnt/issues/22
- 16:20:52 [schunter]
- Our goal is to simplify EU compliance. More transparency may be a useful part of it.
- 16:22:26 [wileys]
- DNT is not the end-all-be-all solution to EU compliance
- 16:22:47 [schunter]
- Sure. This is why we only discuss one field ;-)
- 16:23:12 [wileys]
- So at some point we need to focus on the goal of the DNT signal itself and not be pulled into rabbit holes for Tracking Protection Lists (otherParty)
- 16:24:36 [schunter]
- ack ale
- 16:25:07 [schunter]
- Concern by shane: Mis-use of otherParties as whitelist for blocking
- 16:25:33 [dsinger]
- q+ to ask (a) which way the otherParties array can be wrong (by omission, by inclusion); (b) what statement/promise is being made about these otherParties (to distinguish them from (i) parties in any exception call and (ii) parties visited but not mentioned.)
- 16:25:48 [rvaneijk]
- I do NOT see the otherParties property as a quid-pro-quo approach, i.e. blocking when DNT:1 is ignored.
- 16:26:03 [rvaneijk]
- This WG's charter was extended with a specific focus on the viability of TPE to address the requirements for managing cookie and tracking consent that satisfies the requirements of EU privacy legislation.
- 16:26:09 [rvaneijk]
- The otheParties text proposed is - I believe - an important buidling block for consent. It allows publishers but also, e.g., embedded resources to make representations in a machine readable format.
- 16:26:15 [rvaneijk]
- I proposed an optional field. Yahoo! does not have to use the otherParties property, just as there is no obligation to use the sameParty property.
- 16:26:49 [mikeoneill]
- ptherParties is site-specific (it relates to the site). Tracking Protection Lists were web-wide as implemented by MS and FF (I beleive)
- 16:27:04 [rvaneijk]
- The list Shane is talkig about fits nicely in the sameParty/otherParty array.
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- ... in a (sub)domain format
- 16:28:30 [schunter]
- ack mi
- 16:28:37 [wileys]
- q-
- 16:29:34 [schunter]
- ack d
- 16:29:34 [Zakim]
- dsinger, you wanted to ask (a) which way the otherParties array can be wrong (by omission, by inclusion); (b) what statement/promise is being made about these otherParties (to
- 16:29:37 [Zakim]
- ... distinguish them from (i) parties in any exception call and (ii) parties visited but not mentioned.)
- 16:30:28 [wileys]
- And more importantly - what happens if the list is “wrong”? Does the DNT signal change in someway? Again, the otherParty list appears to have no utility with respect to the DNT signal.
- 16:30:43 [schunter]
- q?
- 16:30:43 [dsinger]
- q?
- 16:31:39 [wileys]
- What if my Site Specific exception list includes a domain not in the otherParty list? Or the other way around? How is the DNT signal impacted?
- 16:32:17 [dsinger]
- so, if present, the otherParties array MUST include all otherParties that might appear (recursively, by inclusion) on the site.
- 16:33:16 [fwagner]
- Q+
- 16:35:05 [dsinger]
- can we see a precise proposed text, please (before a formal CfO)?
- 16:35:20 [schunter]
- next week: final text proposals
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- in 2 weeks: objecttions (substantiated)
- 16:35:32 [wileys]
- So conflict with the Site Specific exception list, no direct bearing on the DNT signal, and looks/feels/smells very much like a TPL
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- afterwards: chairs discuss and determine consensus
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- We support human readable lists
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- When does the charter run out?
- 16:41:29 [rvaneijk]
- wileys, the charter runs until end of the year.
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- present+ Alan Toner, Matthias Schunter, Frank Wagner, Rob van Eijk, Brendan Riordan-Butterworth, Vincent Toubiana, Shane Wiley, Aleecia McDonald
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- scribenick: nobody
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- chair: Matthias Schunter
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- RRSAgent, bye
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- I see no action items