IRC log of dnt on 2017-05-22

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Zakim, this will be TRACK
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Meeting: Tracking Protection Working Group Teleconference
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Date: 22 May 2017
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present+
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present+ dsinger
16:06:25 [wileys]
Here
16:08:08 [schunter]
https://github.com/w3c/dnt/issues/21
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More important than the proposal is a review of the motivation of the additional TPE elments and their intended use by implementors - across all parties included expected handling by UAs
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there
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their
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16:10:03 [dsinger]
q+
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present+
16:13:00 [schunter]
A site that registers an exception MUST publish...
16:13:39 [rvaneijk]
nice change indeed
16:14:28 [mikeoneill]
i will change that after this meeting
16:16:04 [wileys]
Well stated David!
16:16:31 [mikeoneill]
The TSR is meant to be dynamic, i.e. could be dependant on DNT 0 or 1
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Machine readable = Tracking Protection LIst
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q?
16:18:09 [wileys]
Starts as optional until the EU Data Protection Board attempts to mandate it in some fashion
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q-
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q+ aleecia
16:18:17 [mikeoneill]
q+
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ack alee
16:18:39 [wileys]
Not trying to state it is P3P
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+q
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Happy to answer those questions
16:20:22 [wileys]
To be fair this conversation is a bit out of scope of DNT
16:20:46 [dsinger]
https://github.com/w3c/dnt/issues/22
16:20:52 [schunter]
Our goal is to simplify EU compliance. More transparency may be a useful part of it.
16:22:26 [wileys]
DNT is not the end-all-be-all solution to EU compliance
16:22:47 [schunter]
Sure. This is why we only discuss one field ;-)
16:23:12 [wileys]
So at some point we need to focus on the goal of the DNT signal itself and not be pulled into rabbit holes for Tracking Protection Lists (otherParty)
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ack ale
16:25:07 [schunter]
Concern by shane: Mis-use of otherParties as whitelist for blocking
16:25:33 [dsinger]
q+ to ask (a) which way the otherParties array can be wrong (by omission, by inclusion); (b) what statement/promise is being made about these otherParties (to distinguish them from (i) parties in any exception call and (ii) parties visited but not mentioned.)
16:25:48 [rvaneijk]
I do NOT see the otherParties property as a quid-pro-quo approach, i.e. blocking when DNT:1 is ignored.
16:26:03 [rvaneijk]
This WG's charter was extended with a specific focus on the viability of TPE to address the requirements for managing cookie and tracking consent that satisfies the requirements of EU privacy legislation.
16:26:09 [rvaneijk]
The otheParties text proposed is - I believe - an important buidling block for consent. It allows publishers but also, e.g., embedded resources to make representations in a machine readable format.
16:26:15 [rvaneijk]
I proposed an optional field. Yahoo! does not have to use the otherParties property, just as there is no obligation to use the sameParty property.
16:26:49 [mikeoneill]
ptherParties is site-specific (it relates to the site). Tracking Protection Lists were web-wide as implemented by MS and FF (I beleive)
16:27:04 [rvaneijk]
The list Shane is talkig about fits nicely in the sameParty/otherParty array.
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... in a (sub)domain format
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ack mi
16:28:37 [wileys]
q-
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ack d
16:29:34 [Zakim]
dsinger, you wanted to ask (a) which way the otherParties array can be wrong (by omission, by inclusion); (b) what statement/promise is being made about these otherParties (to
16:29:37 [Zakim]
... distinguish them from (i) parties in any exception call and (ii) parties visited but not mentioned.)
16:30:28 [wileys]
And more importantly - what happens if the list is “wrong”? Does the DNT signal change in someway? Again, the otherParty list appears to have no utility with respect to the DNT signal.
16:30:43 [schunter]
q?
16:30:43 [dsinger]
q?
16:31:39 [wileys]
What if my Site Specific exception list includes a domain not in the otherParty list? Or the other way around? How is the DNT signal impacted?
16:32:17 [dsinger]
so, if present, the otherParties array MUST include all otherParties that might appear (recursively, by inclusion) on the site.
16:33:16 [fwagner]
Q+
16:35:05 [dsinger]
can we see a precise proposed text, please (before a formal CfO)?
16:35:20 [schunter]
next week: final text proposals
16:35:31 [schunter]
in 2 weeks: objecttions (substantiated)
16:35:32 [wileys]
So conflict with the Site Specific exception list, no direct bearing on the DNT signal, and looks/feels/smells very much like a TPL
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afterwards: chairs discuss and determine consensus
16:36:29 [wileys]
We support human readable lists
16:39:16 [wileys]
When does the charter run out?
16:41:29 [rvaneijk]
wileys, the charter runs until end of the year.
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present+ Alan Toner, Matthias Schunter, Frank Wagner, Rob van Eijk, Brendan Riordan-Butterworth, Vincent Toubiana, Shane Wiley, Aleecia McDonald
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chair: Matthias Schunter
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I see no action items