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15:44:06 <lisa> agenda: this
15:44:08 <lisa> agenda+ actions: https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/cognitive-a11y-tf/track/actions/open
15:44:09 <lisa> agenda+ TPAC
15:44:11 <lisa> agenda+ wording calls -  review SC, and timelines  status: https://rawgit.com/w3c/coga/master/extension/status.html,
15:44:12 <lisa> other usefull links rewording https://rawgit.com/w3c/coga/master/extension/rewroded%20sc%203.html
15:44:14 <lisa> Tables https://rawgit.com/w3c/coga/master/gap-analysis/table.html instuctions: https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/wiki/SC_Managers_Phase1, issues: https://github.com/w3c/wcag21/issues?q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+label%3ACOGA
15:44:16 <lisa> agenda+ plain lang http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-cognitive-a11y-tf/2017May/0103.html
15:44:17 <lisa> agenda+ help and support http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-cognitive-a11y-tf/2017May/0098.html https://github.com/w3c/wcag21/issues/32
15:44:19 <lisa> agenda+ Supplement : https://docs.google.com/document/d/19CvGpbNn1MecK9iRO7MOhafCaVjIajyV2BjNz2OZZZY/edit#
15:44:20 <lisa> agenda+ What have we missed for issues page agenda+ be done
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15:56:55 <JohnRochford> 4x now, WebEx has hung up and called me back
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16:06:40 <lisa> scribe: Mike_Pluke
16:06:48 <lisa> zakim, next item
16:06:48 <Zakim> agendum 3. "accessible authentication" taken up [from lisa]
16:07:15 <lisa> topic: tpac
16:07:34 <lisa> https://www.w3.org/2017/11/TPAC/
16:09:29 <Mike_Pluke> TPAC is in San Francisco. Mike can't make it, John Rochford might be able to. John Kirkwood and Thaddeus can.
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16:13:32 <JohnRochford> https://github.com/w3c/wcag21/issues/23
16:16:10 <Mike_Pluke> Mike queried whether our new proposed SC would replace the existing AAA SCs as several techniques were already associated to these SCs
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16:20:53 <lisa> lets get what we have to coga end f this week and propos it in 3 weeks to wcag
16:22:33 <lisa> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-cognitive-a11y-tf/2017May/0095.html
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16:23:13 <lisa> Provide words or phrases  or abbreviations that are the most-common form to refer to the concept
16:23:38 <Mike_Pluke> Plain language - Suggesting a tool that can present the most commonly used words from a language.
16:24:00 <lisa> google ingram in a common tool
16:24:19 <Mike_Pluke> Most famous tool and Google engram?
16:25:00 <JohnRochford> Google Ngram articles: https://www.google.com/search?q=google+ngram&oq=google+n&aqs=chrome.0.69i59j0j69i60l3j69i57.2247j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8
16:29:52 <lisa> scribe: JohnRochford
16:29:57 <JohnRochford> Jan: Help SC is not in great shape because we can find the research we need.
16:31:07 <JohnRochford> Jan: Recent search found new abstract requirements reveals a length of 100 words.
16:31:32 <lisa> https://github.com/w3c/wcag21/issues/32  http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-cognitive-a11y-tf/2017May/0098.html
16:32:31 <lisa> Help and support: comprehension support is available via:
16:32:33 <lisa> =Charts, tables, or graphics to summarize [complex numerical information];
16:32:34 <lisa> =Summaries of [long documents];
16:32:36 <lisa> =Emphasis of key words in [long documents];
16:32:37 <lisa> =Instructions for [non-standard controls];
16:32:39 <lisa> =Information about a user's position in multi-step forms;
16:32:39 <MichaelC> present+
16:32:40 <lisa> =Alternative terms for relative and cardinal directions;
16:32:42 <lisa> =Non-numerical versions of numerical values.
16:32:59 <kirkwood> present+
16:33:37 <JohnRochford> Jan: What do we think about emphasizing keywords rather than document length?
16:34:16 <JohnRochford> Lisa: Help SC is now more testable than it was.
16:34:58 <JohnRochford> Michael: If you have to have a summary for every little thing, the working group will reject.
16:35:51 <JohnRochford> Michael: Last I saw was 300 words, which won't catch too many web pages.
16:36:54 <lisa> note that content that does not have
16:36:54 <JohnRochford> Lisa: Should we have scope statements or exceptions?
16:37:54 <JohnRochford> Michael: Each bullet could be its own SC, but we are trying to make things easier by combining.
16:39:44 <JohnRochford> Michael: A complex SC wording for a minor increase in scope may not get through the AG working group.
16:40:36 <JohnRochford> Michael: Perhaps we could define what complex wording is.
16:41:06 <JohnRochford> Jan: People do not know how they could define what complex wording is.
16:42:27 <JohnRochford> Michael: Word length is very variable across languages.
16:43:06 <JohnRochford> Mike said the above, not Michael.
16:43:50 <JohnRochford> Jan: Do we have a research basis for the terminology/wording we are using?
16:45:09 <JohnRochford> Michael: The lower the author burden, the fewer requests for research backing there will be.
16:46:56 <janina> present+
16:48:01 <JohnRochford> Michael: I'm trying to simplify the SC for acceptance by the AG working group.
16:49:05 <lisa> Help and support: comprehension support is available via one of the following
16:49:15 <JohnRochford> Michael: The more complex the wording of an SC, the less likely it will be accepted.
16:52:38 <JohnRochford> Michael: Maybe it should be "at least one of the following".
16:53:12 <JohnRochford> Jan: The complexity of the text would determine how many could be done.
16:55:40 <JohnRochford> Michael: We could say only one is required, but authors could follow as many as they want.
16:59:31 <JohnRochford> I'm signing off.
17:12:02 <lisa> https://github.com/ayelet-seeman/coga.personalisation
17:38:52 <lisa> rrsagent, make logs public
17:39:08 <lisa>  rrsagent, create minutes
17:39:08 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2017/05/22-coga-minutes.html lisa
17:39:42 <lisa> zakim, please part
17:39:42 <Zakim> leaving.  As of this point the attendees have been JohnRochford, kirkwood, lisa, Mike_Pluke, janina, MichaelC
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17:40:01 <lisa> rrsagent, please part
17:40:01 <RRSAgent> I see no action items