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13:33:14 <phila> agenda: https://www.w3.org/2017/dxwg/wiki/Kick_Off_Meeting
13:33:23 <phila> chair: Karen, Caroline
13:34:05 <kcoyle> hi,phil. i see you've started the bots.
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13:58:47 <alejandra> Hello all
13:58:54 <AndreaPerego> Hi, everyone.
13:58:56 <alejandra> May I ask what is the Webex meeting password?
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14:04:12 <phila> Topic: Introductions
14:04:18 <AndreaPerego> present+ alejandra
14:04:20 <phila> kcoyle: Let's get started...
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14:04:46 <phila> kcoyle: This is the DXWG. Looks like folks are all on IRC and WebEx - you need to be on both
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14:05:44 <phila> kcoyle: The WG has 3 main deliverables (from charter)
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14:06:01 <phila> kcoyle: Timeline is ca. 2 years
14:06:35 <phila> ... Note that the last 4-6 months is taken up by a lot of process requirements, so we're looking at getting the bulk of the work done by the end of 2018
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14:07:14 <phila> kcoyle: With 3 separate deliverables... we can break into subgroups, we can work in one group.
14:07:21 <phila> ... Expect to meet for an hour a week
14:07:30 <phila> ... We'll discuss timing shortly
14:07:46 <achille_z> present+ Achille_Zappa
14:07:47 <phila> kcoyle: Introduces self. From DCMI
14:07:56 <phila> Caroline_: Introduces self
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14:09:34 <Caroline_> kcoyle and Caroline are the Chairs
14:09:37 <phila> phila: Introduces self
14:09:43 <Caroline_> phila is the W3C team contact
14:10:30 <phila> achille_z: Introduces self from INSIGHT Centre, Galway.
14:10:51 <phila> ... Interested in the DCAT part - INSIGHT is what was DERI which is where DCAT came from originally.
14:11:24 <phila> alejandra: Introduces self, Uni Oxford, eResearch Centre.
14:11:48 <phila> ... Interested in all deliverables. Looking at DCAT. We've been looking at NIH funded portal and more
14:12:12 <phila> AndreaPerego: Introduces self, from European Commission's JRC
14:12:29 <phila> ... author of geoDCAT-AP
14:12:39 <phila> ... aspects of metadata interop across domains interest me
14:13:00 <phila> ... And use of DCAT for research data. We run the corporate catalogue at JRC
14:13:39 <phila> annette_g: Introduces from LLB. Interested in profile aspects. work for national energy sci community
14:13:54 <phila> ByronCinNZ: Introduces self from Internal Affairs in NZ
14:14:00 <annette_g> s/LLB/LBNL
14:14:11 <phila> ... Also interestec in conneg by profile
14:14:25 <SimonCox> note it is 02:15 for Byron right now
14:14:50 <phila> chile: Is actually Markus Friedberg from Uni Leipzig
14:15:12 <phila> colleen: From research data service at uni Illinois
14:15:34 <phila> DaveB: Introduces self from Thomson Reuters
14:15:48 <phila> ... Mostly interested in DCAT and profile handling
14:16:08 <phila> ... number of initiatives focussing on content ecosystems and how they might work in automated ways.
14:16:43 <phila> ericstephan: Introduces self from PNNL. Interested in DCAT, also scientific realm, seeing where APs can go
14:16:58 <phila> Jacco: From CWI in Amsterdam
14:17:09 <phila> ... Interested in research data management
14:17:49 <phila> Jaroslav_Pullmann: Jaroslav_Pullmann and Christian Mader from Fraunhofer. Both involved in Industrial Data Space project. Extension of DCAT towards dynamic distribution patterns
14:18:06 <phila> ... Lots of interests
14:18:22 <phila> DaveB: pleased to hear all that
14:18:45 <phila> LarsG: From DNB. Interested in all 3. The profile negotiation which is what I'm here to work on.
14:19:09 <phila> Makx?
14:19:36 <annette_g> maybe type something, Makx?
14:20:34 <phila> Makx: Independent consultant. Working in metadata throughout career, including DCMI
14:20:46 <phila> ... Been involved in APs since we coined the term way back
14:21:11 <phila> ... Was a member of the WG that worked in DCAT and DWBP. Also I'm editor of the EC's DCAT-AP and more
14:21:26 <phila> Martin_B: From Eccenca
14:21:46 <phila> ... Worked with Markus at Uni Leipzig on Data ID. Interetsed in implementing this in our work.
14:22:02 <phila> mathieu: From INSIGHT Centre in Galway (with Achille)
14:22:17 <phila> ... Interetsed in extending DCAT for data consumers, relations between datasets etc.
14:22:27 <phila> ... Have done work in education and smart cities.
14:22:42 <phila> MJ_Han: From Illinois. Interested in 2nd deliverable
14:23:17 <Martin_B> present+ Martin_B
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14:24:14 <Makx> I hear people refer to three deliverables, but there are four deliverables at https://www.w3.org/2017/dxwg/wiki/Main_Page
14:24:33 <phila> nandana_: From Uni Pol Madrid. Working Data quality and description
14:25:08 <phila> newton: Works with Caroline_ at Nic.br. Worked on DWBP with many folks here. Interestec in conneg
14:25:44 <phila> Ixcell: At UCLC. Study what people need to know for dataset assessment
14:25:51 <phila> ... Newly joined member so it's all new
14:25:59 <phila> present+
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14:26:27 <phila> PWinstanley: From Scottish Gov, based in Glasgow. Interested in the 3 deliverables.
14:26:49 <phila> ... Made early assessment of DCAT a while back. Have written guides on it. Was a member of DWBP and Share-PSI project
14:27:39 <MJ_Han> For deliverables: https://www.w3.org/2017/dxwg/charter#deliverables
14:27:50 <Makx> OK, I see thare are three deliverables at https://www.w3.org/2017/dxwg/charter, yes.
14:27:59 <phila> RiccardoAlbertoni: Researcher in CNR Italy
14:28:32 <phila> ... Interested especially in data and linkset quality. Was a member of the DWBP and was a co-editor of the data quality vocab. Interetsed in all 3 deliverables
14:28:59 <phila> RubenVerborgh: From Ghent Uni.
14:29:12 <phila> ... Interest in low level tech - how clients and servers can agree
14:29:23 <phila> ... So mostly working on the 3rd part with Lars
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14:29:48 <phila> SimonCox: With CSIRO. It's 00:30 Friday for me
14:29:55 <RubenVerborgh> s/Ghent Uni./Ghent University – imec/
14:30:34 <phila> ... Works in Land and Water on Environmental data, working for years in data description. Especially interested in scope of DCAT, potential around data lifecycle etc.
14:31:51 <ByronCinNZ> No problem!
14:32:13 <phila> KateRoberts: At BOM. Background in metadata, libraries etc.
14:32:49 <phila> RRSAgent, draft minutes v2
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14:32:57 <phila> Topic: Use Cases
14:33:14 <phila> kcoyle: WGs always start with use cases. We need use cases
14:33:33 <phila> ... it's advised that these UCs be real, something you're doing or attempting to do
14:33:43 <phila> ... We have set up a wiki page
14:33:49 <kcoyle> https://www.w3.org/2017/dxwg/wiki/Use_Case_Working_Space
14:34:32 <phila> ... Need to know who you are, if it pertains to specific deliverables. Links to documents and projects are good. And what requirements arise from these.
14:34:47 <phila> ... The UCs will be discussed by the WG and accepted or not
14:34:56 <phila> ... And a Use Case document will be part of our deliverables
14:35:19 <phila> ... This means that we need one or more editors for the Use Cases and Requirements Document (UCR)
14:35:29 <phila> ... Make sense of the UCs, do the formatting etc.
14:35:44 <phila> ... There are people here who have expereince of how this works - help is at hand
14:35:59 <phila> ... It would be good if we could have a volunteer early
14:36:27 <phila> ... The UCR doc is one  of the easier editing jobs you can havea in a WG. If you don't expect to be an editor in one of the primary docs, this is a good one to do.
14:36:38 <phila> ... Please let us know, post to the list etc.
14:36:47 <Caroline_> q+
14:36:54 <phila> ... It would be good to have a good body of use cases before the next meeting
14:37:04 <phila> ... It sounds as if people already have quite a bit to say
14:37:05 <phila> q+
14:37:10 <kcoyle> ack Caroline_
14:37:27 <phila> Caroline_: Just to add - some people are new, so if you are an editor, it doesn't mean you can't also edit anotehr doc
14:37:49 <phila> kcoyle: We won't stop you doing more worl
14:37:49 <kcoyle> ack phila
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14:39:21 <Caroline_> to get into the queue type q+
14:39:36 <Caroline_> phila: IRC is very important :)
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14:39:58 <phila> Jaroslav_Pullmann: What is the gathering process. Edit the wiki?
14:40:06 <phila> kcoyle: Yes, please just add to the wiki page
14:40:07 <Caroline_> q+
14:40:23 <phila> kcoyle: That wiki page is a draft area
14:40:30 <annette_g> q+
14:40:33 <phila> q+ to make a very quick comment about the iki
14:40:37 <alejandra_> question: can we all edit the wiki page?
14:40:41 <LarsG> s/worl/work/
14:40:49 <phila> Caroline_: 2 things - the wiki page is editable by everyone in the WG
14:40:51 <phila> q-
14:41:14 <DaveB> present+ DaveBrowning
14:41:26 <phila> Caroline_: Also, Karen and I will always post the agenda for each meeting at least 24 hours ahead of the meeting. You can always send us agenda items
14:41:31 <kcoyle> ?
14:41:32 <phila> ack c
14:41:50 <phila> ack ann
14:42:06 <phila> annette_g: Should we try and focus use cases towards specific tasks
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14:42:32 <phila> kcoyle: I wish I could answer that definitively. I think most UCs might tend towards one task, but it may pertain to all three.
14:42:48 <phila> q?
14:43:12 <phila> Topic: Regular meeting slot
14:43:25 <phila> kcoyle: We have had a discussion about this on e-mail.
14:43:38 <RubenVerborgh> q+ to propose a simple Doodle
14:43:42 <phila> ... Simon you wanted to make a case for a meeting time?
14:44:11 <phila> SimonCox: I think Andrea also supported ... with such a distribution, it's hard to get a time that suits everyone
14:44:18 <AndreaPerego> +1
14:44:22 <phila> (California to New Zealand)
14:45:01 <phila> SimonCox: If people in Europe are willing to work in the evening (before midnight), Australisia can get up earlier
14:45:09 <kcoyle> ack RubenVerborgh
14:45:09 <Zakim> RubenVerborgh, you wanted to propose a simple Doodle
14:45:13 <phila> ... I suggest 20:00 UTC is probably the only choice
14:45:21 <SimonCox> https://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/meetingtime.html?iso=20170518&p1=264&p2=152&p3=157&p4=136&p5=263&p6=64&p7=224
14:45:25 <annette_g> q+ to make a suggestion
14:45:26 <phila> RubenVerborgh: Why don't we do a big Doodle
14:45:38 <phila> kcoyle: I assume we'll do another Doodle
14:45:50 <phila> q?
14:45:51 <alejandra_> can someone send a link to documentation for IRC , please?
14:45:56 <ericstephan> q+
14:46:05 <phila> ack annette_g
14:46:05 <Zakim> annette_g, you wanted to make a suggestion
14:46:07 <SimonCox> Don't like alternating :-(
14:46:15 <kcoyle> ack annette_g
14:46:15 <phila> I wwas going to propose alternate times
14:46:16 <SimonCox> Lose momentum, no predictability
14:46:27 <RubenVerborgh> also, if we split into subgroups, might not be too much of a problem?
14:46:28 <Caroline_> q+
14:46:34 <RubenVerborgh> so maybe good to discuss that early on?
14:46:38 <SimonCox> q+
14:46:41 <SimonCox> q+
14:46:45 <Makx> I just created a use case. Is that the way to do it?
14:46:48 <kcoyle> ?
14:46:50 <Makx> https://www.w3.org/2017/dxwg/wiki/Use_Case_Working_Space
14:47:07 <phila> ack er
14:47:19 <phila> ericstephan: I was just going to agree with Annette on alternating times
14:47:45 <phila> ericstephan: The concern is that it splits the group
14:47:53 <AndreaPerego> Same concern here.
14:47:56 <phila> ack Caroline_
14:48:23 <kcoyle> q?
14:48:42 <phila> Caroline_: I think Eric said something important and I was going to say something similar. We can meet at 2 different times, 20:00 UTC is one of the times, anotehr s the one we have met today
14:48:52 <phila> ... Then it's important that we decide the dates already
14:49:06 <phila> ... Maybe next week we meet at 20:00 UTC and then back to this time
14:49:17 <phila> ... But we need to have a regular pattern so people can plan.
14:49:19 <phila> ack SimonCox
14:49:20 <kcoyle> ack SimonCox
14:49:40 <phila> SimonCox: I will say that alternating times are bad. It always splits the group.
14:50:21 <phila> SimonCox: I think it's likely that we'll split into multiple parallel groups anda then the possibility is that the sub groups will find it easier to schedule meetings
14:50:30 <phila> phila: +1 to Simon
14:50:32 <Caroline_> q+
14:50:45 <AndreaPerego> +1 to SimonCox
14:50:52 <Makx> I don't have a problems with 2000UTC
14:50:55 <Caroline_> q-
14:51:13 <Caroline_> +1 to I don't have a problems with 2000UTC
14:51:23 <phila> kcoyle: We haven't talked about how we'll organise ourselves but as Simon says, it's likely we'll have sub groups.
14:51:51 <phila> q?
14:52:00 <phila> kcoyle: Any more questions  on the use cases?
14:52:27 <phila> Jaroslav_Pullmann: Who is the contact to get the UCs consistent
14:52:44 <Caroline_> q+ to add the importance of always writing to the mailing list
14:52:59 <phila> kcoyle: The WG really does need to agree to the UCs
14:53:02 <SimonCox> Re questions: best if all mail goes to group email reflector - transparency, record-keeping
14:53:05 <phila> q+ to talk about ReSpec adn GH
14:53:24 <kcoyle> q?
14:53:32 <SimonCox> +1 to Caroline_
14:53:43 <phila> Jaroslav_Pullmann: What I saw with other groups, was the need to cluster the use cases - to make UCs comparable and to be able to elaborate
14:53:54 <SimonCox> q+
14:53:55 <phila> kcoyle: That's what the editor(s) will do
14:54:02 <kcoyle> ack Caroline_
14:54:02 <Zakim> Caroline_, you wanted to add the importance of always writing to the mailing list
14:54:03 <phila> ack c
14:54:17 <phila> Caroline_: It is important to always communicate via the mailing list
14:54:51 <phila> ... This might be frightening for some people - it was for me at first - but it's the only way to keep the conversation going and people involved
14:54:52 <phila> q- later
14:55:06 <phila> ack s
14:55:34 <phila> SimonCox: I presume the assumption is that wew'll be using the Issue tracker and Actions?
14:55:57 <RubenVerborgh> Added 2 use cases as well.
14:56:00 <phila> ... But I'll note that we've got tangled up with GH Issues. Sme issues are in both places, some only in one.
14:56:00 <AndreaPerego> s/wew'll/we'll/
14:56:08 <phila> ... I think the WWG needs to establish a plan
14:56:21 <phila> kcoyle: Yes, we'll need to decide which  to use.
14:56:31 <kcoyle> q?
14:56:40 <kcoyle> ack phila
14:56:40 <Zakim> phila, you wanted to talk about ReSpec adn GH
14:56:56 <AndreaPerego> s/Sme issues/Some issues/
14:57:37 <RubenVerborgh> You can link commit/pull request to issue by including "Closes #37" in the commit message's extended info.
14:57:56 <RubenVerborgh> q+ to ask what the advantage of the actions tracker is
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14:59:16 <kcoyle> ack RubenVerborgh
14:59:16 <Zakim> RubenVerborgh, you wanted to ask what the advantage of the actions tracker is
14:59:48 <Caroline_> phila: Github doesn't have an action tracker the same way IRC has
15:00:43 <phila> kcoyle: Thanks everyone for joining today. We will resolve the issue of the call timing ASAP. And we'll post a mail about the UCs very soon.
15:00:50 <RiccardoAlbertoni> bye see you next week
15:00:52 <AndreaPerego> Thanks, and bye!
15:00:52 <Makx> bye
15:00:56 <annette_g> bye all!
15:00:58 <ByronCinNZ> bye
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