IRC log of apa on 2017-05-17

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Meeting: Accessible Platform Architectures Working Group Teleconference
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Date: 17 May 2017
15:40:58 [janina]
agenda?
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agenda+ preview agenda with items from two minutes
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agenda+ TPAC 2017 https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/Meetings/TPAC_2017
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agenda+ Push API CfC
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agenda+ Task Force Checkins
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agenda+ Actions Checkin (Specs) https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/products/8
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agenda+ new on TR http://www.w3.org/TR/tr-status-drafts.html
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agenda+ Other Business
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agenda+ next and future meetings
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agenda+ be done
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present+
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Chair: Janina
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regrets: Michiel, Leonie
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present+ Joanmarie_Diggs
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present+ tzviya
16:05:25 [MichaelC]
present+
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scribe: Gottfried
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zakim, next item
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agendum 1. "preview agenda with items from two minutes" taken up [from janina]
16:07:00 [Gottfried]
Janina: any news?
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(nobody)
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zakim, close this item
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agendum 1 closed
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I see 8 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
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2. TPAC 2017 https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/Meetings/TPAC_2017 [from janina]
16:07:14 [Gottfried]
zakim, open next item
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agendum 2. "TPAC 2017 https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/Meetings/TPAC_2017" taken up [from janina]
16:07:40 [Gottfried]
Janina: Draft agenda may be available in June. But make a hotel reservation now.
16:08:42 [Gottfried]
Janina: We don't know how to get the W3C rate for the hotel.
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Janina: Will keep checking.
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zakim, next item
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agendum 3. "Push API CfC" taken up [from janina]
16:09:54 [Gottfried]
Janina: I have drafted comments. Case: you don't want to be interrupted. I got no comments.
16:10:41 [Gottfried]
... I would like to reference Ted's Github issue. More generic use case. We need ways to tell to not push.
16:10:54 [Gottfried]
... I will put out a CfC for a formal decision of the group.
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zakim, next item
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agendum 4. "Task Force Checkins" taken up [from janina]
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Michael: Cleaning up Coga publications. Talked with ARIA chairs on Monday.
16:12:41 [Gottfried]
... Trying to publish 3 COGA docs together. Focus on the REC-doc, i.e. ARIA doc.
16:12:59 [Gottfried]
... My highest prio is on the cog support for WCAG.
16:13:40 [Gottfried]
Janina: No general problem with prioritization. But COGA needs to deliver its docs as in the charter. Should not stall them.
16:14:39 [Gottfried]
... We need to have these docs published and reviewed
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Michael: Docs are very long - can we expect them to be thoroughly reviewed?
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Janina: Maybe publish gap analysis - without issues paper?
16:15:34 [Gottfried]
... There might be other organizations interested in this.
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Michael: Gap analysis is the most useful one. References the issue paper.
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... We could publish as group note.
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q+
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s/group note/working draft
16:17:41 [Gottfried]
... Danger of publishing a working draft as a note.
16:17:52 [Gottfried]
... But publishing a working draft without a note is a bad idea.
16:18:01 [janina]
ack t
16:19:06 [Gottfried]
Tzviya: Only a few people know about this work. You might get interested from DC and other accessibility organization that are focused on publishing.
16:19:36 [Gottfried]
... What about the CSS task force? - Issue with personalization semantics.
16:20:00 [Gottfried]
... Overwriting the layout with CSS semantics could cause problems.
16:20:48 [Gottfried]
Janina: I have prepared a set of invitations to this call next week. On the topic of mechanisms for personalization on the Web.
16:21:02 [Gottfried]
... CSS, Media query, etc.
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... I am going to send out some emails.
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Tzviya: I can join. Can pass it on to others.
16:22:04 [Gottfried]
Gottfried: Possible for me to join.
16:22:49 [Gottfried]
Janina: What can we do with our 12-year old CAPTCHA paper? - Not ready yet.
16:23:23 [Gottfried]
... CSS task force had problems getting off the ground. May need some support to get started.
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s/support/nudge
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zakim, next item
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agendum 5. "Actions Checkin (Specs) https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/products/8" taken up [from janina]
16:23:45 [Gottfried]
action-2131
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action-2131 -- Michael Cooper to Ask webappsec if csp is meant to block bookmarklets, and raise issue of a11y scripts that users explicitly request (not xss) -- due 2017-05-17 -- OPEN
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http://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/actions/2131
16:24:06 [Gottfried]
action-2129?
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action-2129 -- Michael Cooper to Find publications that went straight to note without review opportunity -- due 2017-05-10 -- OPEN
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http://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/actions/2129
16:24:32 [Gottfried]
Michael: 54% of notes last year were published without a review draft.
16:24:41 [Gottfried]
... Will send this in an email to the wg.
16:25:40 [Gottfried]
... There are some process changes needed.
16:26:29 [Gottfried]
action-2124?
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action-2124 -- Janina Sajka to Follow up with johannes wilm on input events 1 and 2 wrt our comments on input events non-leveled -- due 2017-05-17 -- OPEN
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http://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/actions/2124
16:26:46 [Gottfried]
Janina: I am still waiting for Leonie
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action-2119?
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action-2119 -- Janina Sajka to Review html 5.2 https://www.w3.org/tr/html52/ -- due 2017-05-17 -- OPEN
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http://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/actions/2119
16:27:23 [MichaelC]
close action-2119
16:27:23 [trackbot]
Closed action-2119.
16:27:24 [Gottfried]
Janina: Found no problem. Let's close it.
16:28:25 [Gottfried]
Tzviya: Issue on ARIA details tag was closed by Charles. Should be fine now.
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zakim, next item
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agendum 6. "new on TR http://www.w3.org/TR/tr-status-drafts.html" taken up [from janina]
16:29:28 [MichaelC]
-> https://www.w3.org/TR/motion-sensors/ Motion Sensors Explainer
16:30:13 [Gottfried]
Michael: We sometimes have a11y input on use cases. Do we want to deal with this?
16:30:34 [Gottfried]
Janina: Probably not - unless somebody has a particular use case.
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Michael: (reading from the use case section)
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Janina: No need to review
16:32:01 [MichaelC]
-> https://www.w3.org/TR/orientation-sensor/ Orientation Sensor
16:33:02 [Gottfried]
Michael: Guessing this is low-level, but nothing on the API level.
16:33:12 [Gottfried]
Janina: Yes, there could be a11y use cases.
16:34:15 [Gottfried]
Gottfried: This doc refers to the motion sensors explainer doc.
16:34:42 [Gottfried]
Michael: Cannot tell how comprehensive this API is. But guessing we probably care more about API uses than the API itself.
16:35:10 [Gottfried]
... We need to come up with a white paper about web of things, device API, sensors etc.
16:35:23 [Gottfried]
Janina: We need to complain about API specs not explaining themselves.
16:35:38 [Gottfried]
Michael: Haven't made a formal complaint, only discussed this
16:35:40 [MichaelC]
action: cooper to make a fuss about algorithmic specs
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Created ACTION-2132 - Make a fuss about algorithmic specs [on Michael Cooper - due 2017-05-24].
16:35:44 [Gottfried]
Janina: Need to come back to this.
16:36:11 [Gottfried]
... Need to pick up conversation with Ralf. Other groups are impacted too.
16:36:47 [Gottfried]
... For us it is not only the problem of not being able to do an a11y review, but also resulting in badly written specs.
16:37:30 [Gottfried]
Michael: We have 23 specs that are marked "in active review".
16:37:42 [Gottfried]
... 19 have a review assigned.
16:37:52 [Gottfried]
Janina: We should get back to this in early June.
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zakim, next item
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agendum 7. "Other Business" taken up [from janina]
16:39:05 [Gottfried]
Michael: I was reading on content security policy - looking for a11y issues - could not find out in the spec. Talked with Ralf.
16:39:27 [Gottfried]
... Ralf said that we have to live with the preferred language style of the editor. No resources to train editors or add additional editors.
16:39:57 [Gottfried]
... I believe we can still address this by drafting best practices to make editors aware of common problems.
16:40:17 [Gottfried]
... This will be an ongoing conversation with Ralf and the architecture team.
16:40:29 [Gottfried]
Janina: Involve others? Internationalization?
16:41:03 [Gottfried]
Michael: Presentation of i18n on how to review specs. They have similar processes, but different tools.
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... I will discuss with them.
16:41:39 [Gottfried]
Janina: Best practices policy manual should address this.
16:41:51 [Gottfried]
Michael: Not a simple path.
16:42:24 [Gottfried]
Janina: There is a wider community that wants to look at an API and understand before diving into.
16:42:49 [Gottfried]
... Should be a topic at the next TPAC on Wed.
16:43:07 [Gottfried]
Michael: We should gather other interested parties before TPAC.
16:43:56 [Gottfried]
Janina: Next call on architectural directions on achieving meaningful personalization. Folks from the wider APA community are invited.
16:44:13 [Gottfried]
... I will send out the invitation.
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zakim, bye
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leaving. As of this point the attendees have been janina, Joanmarie_Diggs, tzviya, MichaelC
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