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12:54:39 <trackbot> Meeting: Accessible Platform Architectures Working Group Teleconference
12:54:39 <trackbot> Date: 10 May 2017
12:55:45 <jasonjgw> agenda+ Accessibility Guidelines Working Group wiki page on CAPTCHA and its alternatives.
12:55:56 <jasonjgw> agenda+ Other CAPTCHA issues
12:56:14 <jasonjgw> agenda+ Additional research topics (authentication, etc.) - updates and discussion
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13:03:10 <janina> present+
13:03:14 <sloandr> present+
13:03:26 <jasonjgw> zakim, next item
13:03:26 <Zakim> agendum 1. "Accessibility Guidelines Working Group wiki page on CAPTCHA and its alternatives." taken up [from jasonjgw]
13:03:38 <jasonjgw> present+ jasonjgw
13:03:45 <janina> scribe: janina
13:04:40 <janina> jgw: Before we finalize on captcha, suggest we consider this WCAG page
13:05:30 <janina> ds: Seems a complimentary collection since the note publication
13:06:08 <jasonjgw> Janina notes that there is also a PF page that we have looked at earlier.
13:06:36 <janina> jgw: This one interesting as a concise presentation
13:07:07 <janina> jgw: Very few suggestions work cross disability
13:07:49 <janina> ds: Also seems to be based on collected examples, not on any research
13:09:33 <janina> jgw: Each alternative appears to require some sensory or reasoning
13:10:07 <janina> ds: Is there value in referencing this doc somehow?
13:12:11 <janina> ds: Could work up a comparison between this and what we have
13:12:30 <janina> ds: That might help us decide on this
13:13:02 <janina> jgw: My remaining action is to make certain I haven't missed something
13:13:37 <janina> zakim, next item
13:13:37 <Zakim> agendum 2. "Other CAPTCHA issues" taken up [from jasonjgw]
13:13:56 <janina> [crickets]
13:14:04 <janina> zakim, close this item
13:14:04 <Zakim> agendum 2 closed
13:14:05 <Zakim> I see 1 item remaining on the agenda:
13:14:05 <Zakim> 3. Additional research topics (authentication, etc.) - updates and discussion [from jasonjgw]
13:14:30 <janina> zakim, take up item 2
13:14:30 <Zakim> agendum 2. "Other CAPTCHA issues" taken up [from jasonjgw]
13:14:49 <janina> ds: Looked through proceedings at CHI, and found nothing on Teuring tests
13:15:14 <janina> zakim, close this item
13:15:14 <Zakim> agendum 2 closed
13:15:16 <Zakim> I see 1 item remaining on the agenda:
13:15:16 <Zakim> 3. Additional research topics (authentication, etc.) - updates and discussion [from jasonjgw]
13:15:21 <janina> zakim, next item
13:15:21 <Zakim> agendum 3. "Additional research topics (authentication, etc.) - updates and discussion" taken up [from jasonjgw]
13:15:45 <janina> ds: Found 8 papers from CHI for us
13:16:11 <janina> ds: Not disability specific, but simply authentication issues
13:16:15 <sloandr> CHI papers on authentication: https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/task-forces/research-questions/wiki/Authentication_references#References_to_follow_up_from_CHI_2017
13:16:45 <janina> ds: Should all be available for the time being
13:17:09 <janina> jgw: Will be reading some of these as well
13:20:13 <janina> ds: Thermal trace could be different for different disability conditions
13:20:42 <Judy> present+ Judy
13:21:41 <janina> ds: Skimmed abstracts, all had some interest for us
13:22:09 <janina> ds: Noted one looking at authentication based on group
13:24:09 <janina> jgw: One captcha approach would relate for authentication, where one identifies a friend
13:25:39 <janina> jgw: Noted that personal data is sometimes requested to authenticate, if the site has access to credit dbs
13:27:04 <Judy> q+
13:27:13 <janina> jgw: Not sure how COGA will view this approach
13:27:41 <janina> ack j
13:28:31 <janina> jb: Wondering whether and when we might invite Wendy Selser
13:29:13 <janina> jgw: Yes
13:29:45 <janina> jb: Hmmm, there's a time conflict for her ...
13:30:57 <janina> jb: Want to talk through the items now to prepare ...
13:31:28 <janina> jb: A range of alternative approaches?
13:31:33 <janina> jgw: That's one
13:32:33 <janina> jgw: Captcha says we're human, vs authentication identifies the user as a particular human
13:33:35 <Judy> [JB grabs Jason's question "Are there are cross-disability techniques that establish that a user is human without disclosing their identity?"
13:35:49 <janina> jgw: jb: The first captcha missed a key point, imo, where the captcha might establish human vs machine, but incidentally also established certain individuals as pwds
13:36:47 <janina> jb: One approach might be a set of tests, pick the ones you want to use
13:38:48 <janina> jgw: Back to the wider authentication topic ...
13:39:14 <janina> jgw: We're concerned whether risk approaches disadvantage pwd scoring in some way
13:39:37 <Judy> q+
13:41:13 <jasonjgw> Janina suggests that site-by-site establishing of identity is problematic, and we need a scheme of trust sharing across sites.
13:42:03 <jasonjgw> Janina suggests that if there is a relationship with a trust broker, any disability-related information that might be inadvertently disclosed is only disclosed to the (trusted) broker rather than to relying parties that depend on it.
13:45:58 <janina> jb: Schedule next few weeks unclear, but will ask Wendy and get back
13:46:10 <janina> jb: So, maybe next week--or not
13:46:19 <janina> jgw: Let's find a mutually agreeable time
13:46:30 <janina> jgw: And a clear list of topics
13:48:41 <jasonjgw> Janina notes the forthcoming publication of the COGA papers - first public working draft.
13:50:26 <janina> jgw: Anything else for today?
13:51:28 <janina> ds: Would note there were quite a few autonomous vehicle papers in CHI
13:52:48 <jasonjgw> rrsagent, make minutes
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13:53:02 <jasonjgw> zakim, bye
13:53:02 <Zakim> leaving.  As of this point the attendees have been janina, sloandr, jasonjgw, Judy
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13:53:09 <jasonjgw> rrsagent, make minutes
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13:53:22 <jasonjgw> rrsagent, bye
13:53:22 <RRSAgent> I see no action items