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15:39:00 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be
15:39:00 <Zakim> I don't understand 'this will be', trackbot
15:39:01 <trackbot> Meeting: Accessible Platform Architectures Working Group Teleconference
15:39:01 <trackbot> Date: 10 May 2017
15:39:07 <janina> agenda?
15:39:12 <janina> agenda+ TPAC 2017 https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/Meetings/TPAC_2017
15:39:12 <janina> agenda+ Task Force Checkins
15:39:12 <janina> agenda+ Actions Checkin (Specs) https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/products/8
15:39:12 <janina> agenda+ new on TR http://www.w3.org/TR/tr-status-drafts.html
15:39:13 <janina> agenda+ Other Business
15:39:14 <janina> agenda+ next and future meetings
15:39:17 <janina> agenda+ be done
15:39:22 <janina>  agenda?
15:39:31 <janina> zakim, clear agenda
15:39:31 <Zakim> agenda cleared
15:40:40 <janina> agenda+ preview agenda with items from two minutes
15:40:40 <janina> agenda+ TPAC 2017 https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/Meetings/TPAC_2017
15:40:40 <janina> agenda+ Task Force Checkins
15:40:40 <janina> agenda+ Actions Checkin (Specs) https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/products/8
15:40:41 <janina> agenda+ new on TR http://www.w3.org/TR/tr-status-drafts.html
15:40:42 <janina> agenda+ Other Business
15:40:45 <janina> agenda+ next and future meetings
15:40:47 <janina> agenda+ be done
15:55:09 <janina>  present+
15:55:14 <janina> Chair: Janina
16:00:40 <joanie> present+ Joanmarie_Diggs
16:02:23 <MichaelC> agenda: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-apa/2017May/0031.html
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16:04:06 <tdrake> present+ tdrake
16:05:40 <janina> zakim, next item
16:05:40 <Zakim> agendum 1. "preview agenda with items from two minutes" taken up [from janina]
16:06:31 <tdrake> janina: The agenda will focus on some passed-on items that need attention.
16:06:58 <janina> zakim, next item
16:06:58 <Zakim> agendum 2. "TPAC 2017 https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/Meetings/TPAC_2017" taken up [from janina]
16:07:28 <tdrake> Reminder to book hotel. Have they updated the web page?
16:07:41 <tdrake> MichaelC: It has not yet been updated.
16:08:01 <tdrake> Janina: Next year's TPAC is in Lyon, France.
16:08:09 <tdrake> It's a nice facility.
16:08:35 <tdrake> tdrake: This year's TPAC, is it in San Francisco area?
16:08:42 <tdrake> janina: Yes, it is in Burlingame.
16:09:31 <JF> JF has joined #apa
16:10:01 <JF> agenda?
16:10:13 <tdrake> Any questions for TPAC? We need to develop an agenda and decide what groups to meet with.
16:10:29 <tdrake> Michael: ARIA, payments, automotive, authentication...
16:10:52 <tdrake> JF: Add cloud browser folks. It's a task force that came out of the web and tv interest group.
16:11:06 <MichaelC>     ARIA
16:11:06 <MichaelC>     Automotive
16:11:06 <MichaelC>     CSS
16:11:06 <MichaelC>     Internet of Things
16:11:06 <MichaelC>     Payments
16:11:07 <MichaelC>     Web Platform
16:11:09 <MichaelC>     Web Authentication
16:11:14 <tdrake> MichaelC: they changed names to something with entertainment.
16:12:06 <tdrake> JohnF: Web and tv - cloud browser TF
16:12:35 <janina> zakim, next item
16:12:35 <Zakim> agendum 3. "Task Force Checkins" taken up [from janina]
16:12:37 <tdrake> MichaelC: Media and Entertainment
16:12:49 <tdrake> Janina: we want to meet with them to implement the MAUR
16:13:09 <tdrake> COGA Status update?
16:13:25 <tdrake> MichaelC: bogged down and targeting next tuesday for publication
16:14:08 <MichaelC> -> https://www.w3.org/community/payments-commerce-a11y/ Web Payments and Commerce Accessibility Community Group
16:14:24 <tdrake> SysReq = The community group was blocked and now it can be joined and go to work.
16:15:09 <tdrake> Janina, tdrake, and MichaelC are likely to join.
16:17:19 <tdrake> tdrake: CSS updates. Michael did the initial set up. The community jumped in and started commenting and a few issues are ready to close. I need to get feedback from MichaelC on closing process.
16:17:37 <tdrake> Janina: Report on CAPTCHA should be coming soon.
16:18:29 <tdrake> An upcoming call will focus on personalization. There's an ARIA module, a manifest, ... Let's use May 24 to focus on this conversation.
16:18:55 <tdrake> I'm looking for a list of people to invite for this meeting.
16:19:01 <janina> zakim, next item
16:19:01 <Zakim> agendum 4. "Actions Checkin (Specs) https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/products/8" taken up [from janina]
16:19:41 <tdrake> michaelC: I have a task to find specs that went forward without comments. Leave this open.
16:20:53 <tdrake> JF: I am looking at this. one point of interest: This document has an addendum: Algorithm for retrieving bundled collections of documents. I want to go through this in more detail. I'm about 80% done. There's some meat here and I need another week.
16:20:54 <MichaelC> action-2128 due 1 week
16:20:54 <trackbot> Set action-2128 Review web publications for the open web platform: vision and technical challenges https://www.w3.org/tr/pwp/ due date to 2017-05-17.
16:21:01 <MichaelC> close action-2127
16:21:01 <trackbot> Closed action-2127.
16:21:02 <tdrake> MichaelC: Janina to also review.
16:21:31 <MichaelC> action-2124 due 1 week
16:21:31 <trackbot> Set action-2124 Follow up with johannes wilm on input events 1 and 2 wrt our comments on input events non-leveled due date to 2017-05-17.
16:21:33 <tdrake> Janina: waiting for Leonie on events action
16:21:38 <MichaelC> action-2124: need Léonie in call
16:21:38 <trackbot> Notes added to action-2124 Follow up with johannes wilm on input events 1 and 2 wrt our comments on input events non-leveled.
16:22:04 <MichaelC> action-2119 due 1 week
16:22:04 <trackbot> Set action-2119 Review html 5.2 https://www.w3.org/tr/html52/ due date to 2017-05-17.
16:22:15 <tdrake> I need another week to finish review of HTML 5.2
16:22:36 <MichaelC> action-2116 due 1 week
16:22:36 <trackbot> Set action-2116 Review ttml profiles for internet media subtitles and captions 1.0.1 (imsc1) https://www.w3.org/tr/ttml-imsc1.0.1/ due date to 2017-05-17.
16:22:44 <tdrake> JF: another week for action on TTML Profiles
16:23:12 <MichaelC> action-2112: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-apa/2017May/0033.html
16:23:12 <trackbot> Notes added to action-2112 Re-review push api https://w3c.github.io/push-api/.
16:23:15 <tdrake> Janina: Push API has a draft comment. We'd like to tweak on it and get group consensus.
16:23:41 <tdrake> We'd like to push Ted's issue to a group consensus for push events.
16:24:11 <tdrake> We could then push them as APA comments instead of individual user comments.
16:25:18 <tdrake> David, one of the web payment chairs, wants the push events to enable user preference for defining timing. This is good for all people, not just those with disabilities.
16:25:28 <tdrake> This action could be closed.
16:25:53 <MichaelC> close action-2112
16:25:53 <trackbot> Closed action-2112.
16:26:14 <tdrake> Ted's comment: https://github.com/w3c/push-api/issues/257
16:26:58 <tdrake> MichaelC: Ted to take over CSS transitions. This can be closed as the issue has been created within GitHub and ready for follow up.
16:27:19 <MichaelC> close action-2011
16:27:19 <trackbot> Closed action-2011.
16:27:34 <janina> zakim, next item
16:27:34 <Zakim> agendum 5. "new on TR http://www.w3.org/TR/tr-status-drafts.html" taken up [from janina]
16:27:56 <tdrake> New Publications: 6 new ones: CSS Grid Layout module 1
16:28:30 <tdrake> HTML Media Capture
16:28:41 <MichaelC> -> https://www.w3.org/TR/html-media-capture/ HTML Media Capture
16:29:05 <tdrake> it defines a form action to utilize camera.
16:29:56 <tdrake> JF: i have a vague recollection of us looking at this. It doesn't have much UI. It exposes the camera to scripted abilities in a web page.
16:30:17 <tdrake> Janina: my concern is that you may have multiple cameras and devices.
16:30:35 <tdrake> JF: it simply exposes an API to script the camera on a mobile device.
16:30:56 <tdrake> you would be given a user interface to manipulate the camera, but this is just an api to script the camera
16:31:09 <tdrake> janina: there's another api for user interface capture and manipulation.
16:31:26 <tdrake> michaelC: closing this. it is specific to smart phone camera. No need to review.
16:31:36 <MichaelC> -> https://www.w3.org/TR/microdata/ HTML Microdata
16:31:37 <tdrake> HTML MicroData. This is a new spec.
16:32:04 <tdrake> This avoids the problems from MicroFormats and is similar to RDFa.
16:32:57 <tdrake> JF: this was proposed after Yandex and other groups began using it. It's needs to be updated to keep it fresh.
16:33:58 <tdrake> There are no concerns and the editor, Chaarls, would keep an eye on any accessibility concerns. It requires a taxonomy. There may be some interactivity with taxonomy terms and manifest.
16:34:40 <tdrake> MichaelC: It doesn't give information on using a shared vocabulary.
16:34:52 <tdrake> No need to review
16:35:04 <tdrake> Overview of coverage JSON format
16:35:08 <MichaelC> -> https://www.w3.org/TR/covjson-overview/ Overview of the CoverageJSON format
16:36:14 <tdrake> joint publication with OGC. Open Geospatial ... coverage JSON is something open geospatial does and this is a coverage document. I don't know if we need to review this.
16:36:23 <tdrake> janina: Give it to me.
16:36:48 <tdrake> JF: there's going to be some extension points. There is a relationship with wayfinding applications. This seems to be more of a backend thing.
16:36:49 <MichaelC> action: Janina to review Overview of the CoverageJSON format https://www.w3.org/TR/covjson-overview/
16:36:50 <trackbot> Created ACTION-2130 - Review overview of the coveragejson format https://www.w3.org/tr/covjson-overview/ [on Janina Sajka - due 2017-05-17].
16:37:09 <tdrake> Michaelc: Does it give examples for future uses that we should have input.
16:37:17 <tdrake> JF: should we meet with them in Burlingame.
16:37:27 <MichaelC> action-2130?
16:37:27 <trackbot> action-2130 -- Janina Sajka to Review overview of the coveragejson format https://www.w3.org/tr/covjson-overview/ -- due 2017-05-17 -- OPEN
16:37:27 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/actions/2130
16:37:45 <tdrake> MichaelC: we already have a full schedule, this shouldn't be needed.
16:37:48 <MichaelC> action-2130: https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/Overview_of_the_CoverageJSON_format
16:37:48 <trackbot> Notes added to action-2130 Review overview of the coveragejson format https://www.w3.org/tr/covjson-overview/.
16:37:56 <MichaelC> action-2130 due 6 weeks
16:37:56 <trackbot> Set action-2130 Review overview of the coveragejson format https://www.w3.org/tr/covjson-overview/ due date to 2017-06-21.
16:38:06 <tdrake> janina: give me until end of june to review the document.
16:38:40 <tdrake> Push API: we've talked about this already.
16:39:31 <MichaelC> -> https://www.w3.org/TR/webauthn/ Web Authentication: An API for accessing Public Key Credentials
16:39:33 <tdrake> michaelC: Web Authentication for accessing Public Key credentials.
16:39:46 <tdrake> They must have changed names.
16:40:34 <tdrake> They changed the name from "Web Api" to "an API", which makes it difficult to research.
16:42:10 <tdrake> It should have hit our wiki in February. The latest spec on scoped credentials is open. This is an API for a web application to request a public/private key and the browser to store the keys.
16:42:47 <tdrake> The spec doesn't define the user interface, but there needs to be something from the browser. Do we define this or should it default to UAG specification?
16:42:56 <tdrake> Janina: I'm inclined to let it go.
16:43:08 <janina> zakim, next item
16:43:08 <Zakim> agendum 6. "Other Business" taken up [from janina]
16:43:30 <tdrake> Other business: Content Security
16:43:31 <JF> agenda?
16:44:02 <MichaelC> -> https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/Content_Security_Policy_Level_3 Content Security Policy
16:44:04 <tdrake> we have several specs we passed on, there are several dealing with security. We've discovered we shouldn't have passed on them. Michael to explain bookmarklets
16:45:09 <tdrake> michaelC: someone mentioned their need to add headings to github comments. I created a bookmarklet, but it didn't work on github.com. Investigating this, the content security policy will block non white-listed scripts.
16:45:48 <tdrake> the content security shouldn't block bookmarklets as a user script, but the spec is very difficult to read.
16:46:19 <tdrake> JF: api-specs: can we elevate this topic at TPAC.
16:46:53 <tdrake> Janina: we need to talk about this on Wednesday. We need to hold them to a higher level than writing algorithms
16:47:40 <tdrake> JF: could we get 15-20 minutes?
16:48:05 <tdrake> Janina: this hampers our ability to do our job as well as those that are writing the spec if they can't say in plain english what this spec does.
16:49:05 <tdrake> MichaelC: I put this down on our agenda. Last year we proposed a break-out session. Perhaps we could do this for the event.
16:50:07 <tdrake> I am scheduled to talk with Ralph and we could discuss this.
16:52:01 <tdrake> Ted: The HTML Codesniffer bookmarklet is commonly blocked within https pages. I didn't think of this as the cause. I thought it was something in our javascript that was blocking the bookmarklet.
16:52:59 <tdrake> MichaelC: we need to see what defines whitelisted groups.
16:53:41 <MichaelC> rrsagent, make minutes
16:53:41 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2017/05/10-apa-minutes.html MichaelC
16:53:51 <tdrake> JF: Cognitive and learning abilities group has also been investigating scripting to affect pages.
16:54:08 <tdrake> tdrake: JAWS 17 introduced domain specific scripting for web pages.
16:54:31 <tdrake> janina: create an action and ask for information.
16:55:06 <tdrake> michaelC: janina reviewed it a year ago, mentioned scripts, and assigned it to Shane. It was closed, but we weren't sure why it was closed. I can take this to understand intent.
16:55:38 <tdrake> janina: this may not be an accessibility-specific concern, but it is something that affects us.
16:56:05 <MichaelC> action: cooper to ask WebAppSec if CSP is meant to block bookmarklets, and raise issue of a11y scripts that users explicitly request (not XSS)
16:56:07 <trackbot> Created ACTION-2131 - Ask webappsec if csp is meant to block bookmarklets, and raise issue of a11y scripts that users explicitly request (not xss) [on Michael Cooper - due 2017-05-17].
16:57:16 <janina> zakim, next item
16:57:16 <Zakim> agendum 7. "next and future meetings" taken up [from janina]
16:58:34 <tdrake> zakim, bye
16:58:34 <Zakim> leaving.  As of this point the attendees have been janina, Joanmarie_Diggs, tdrake
16:58:34 <Zakim> Zakim has left #apa
16:58:43 <tdrake> rrs, make minutes
16:59:00 <tdrake> rrsagent, make minutes
16:59:00 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2017/05/10-apa-minutes.html tdrake
16:59:22 <tdrake> rrsagent, bye
16:59:22 <RRSAgent> I see 2 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2017/05/10-apa-actions.rdf :
16:59:22 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Janina to review Overview of the CoverageJSON format https://www.w3.org/TR/covjson-overview/ [1]
16:59:22 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2017/05/10-apa-irc#T16-36-49
16:59:22 <RRSAgent> ACTION: cooper to ask WebAppSec if CSP is meant to block bookmarklets, and raise issue of a11y scripts that users explicitly request (not XSS) [2]
16:59:22 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2017/05/10-apa-irc#T16-56-05