IRC log of blockchain on 2017-04-24
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- 06:42:34 [mountie]
- Meeting : BlockchainCG F2F meeting at Paris
- 06:42:50 [mountie]
- Chair: Marta
- 06:43:04 [mountie]
- present+ mountie
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- present+ marta
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- present+ adrian
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- present+ favier
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- present+ jean
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- 06:52:41 [mountie]
- zakim, who is here?
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- Present: mountie, marta, adrian, adli, favier, jean, floreng
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- On IRC I see RRSAgent, Zakim, mountie, red40_, ahaller2, red40, rhiaro, nicolagreco, kat, bovesan, manu, fluffypony, adam, robmyers, hadleybeeman
- 06:55:41 [mountie]
- present+ nicolas
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- present+ colin
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- 07:09:35 [red40_]
- Yes. I'm here.
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- present+ adrianS
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- present+ antoine
- 07:14:44 [mountie]
- zakim, who is here?
- 07:14:44 [Zakim]
- Present: mountie, marta, adrian, adli, favier, jean, floreng, nicolas, colin, robic, adrianS, antoine
- 07:14:47 [Zakim]
- On IRC I see RRSAgent, Zakim, mountie, red40_, red40, rhiaro, nicolagreco, kat, bovesan, manu, fluffypony, adam, robmyers, hadleybeeman
- 07:14:57 [mountie]
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- present+ allen
- 07:27:19 [mountie_]
- zakim, who is here?
- 07:27:19 [Zakim]
- Present: mountie, marta, adrian, adli, favier, jean, floreng, nicolas, colin, robic, adrianS, antoine, red40_, fabrice, allen
- 07:27:21 [Zakim]
- On IRC I see mountie_, RRSAgent, Zakim, red40_, red40, rhiaro, nicolagreco, kat, bovesan, manu, fluffypony, adam, robmyers, hadleybeeman
- 07:28:13 [mountie_]
- scribe: mountie
- 07:28:57 [mountie_]
- marta: now we start F2F meeting. working building document
- 07:29:54 [mountie_]
- marta: competition is good. but good standard will increase echo or unified system.
- 07:30:10 [ChristopherA]
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- 07:30:27 [mountie_]
- marta: started at Lisbon, during the TPAC, decided to make usecase document
- 07:31:28 [mountie_]
- marta: collected usecases. created document. hope to finalize the document today.
- 07:31:46 [mountie_]
- scribe: mountie_
- 07:32:31 [mountie_]
- marta: thanks to Jean hosting this meeting.
- 07:33:37 [mountie_]
- jean: talking about today's schedule.
- 07:34:39 [mountie_]
- favier: french association for blockchain, Le Cercle Du Coin
- 07:35:01 [mountie_]
- favier: launched association in Dec 2015
- 07:37:00 [Jean-Yves]
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- 07:37:37 [mountie_]
- webex link : https://meetings.webex.com/collabs/#/meetings/detail?uuid=MD6NHOIUEEBQ6JAFG0B7PBCUYZ-101R9&rnd=463103.03375
- 07:37:54 [mountie_]
- marta: introduce each other.
- 07:38:24 [mountie_]
- marta: security architect at blockstream. working on HyperLedger also.
- 07:38:37 [Adrian_Sauzade]
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- allen: principle architect in blockstream
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- jean: canton-consulting
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- adrianS: Czam
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- 07:40:30 [marta]
- https://docs.google.com/document/d/1BNKQ-hNFIpROyzQRig7a7kTBcmclAQlbv3MCCZfhHiE/edit?usp=sharing
- 07:41:22 [mountie_]
- members are introducing himself
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- marta: now the topic is Use Cases
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- allen: can we talk about high-level of use case document?
- 07:47:41 [nba]
- I missed the link to it, just joined (Nicolas)
- 07:48:00 [Jean-Yves]
- https://docs.google.com/document/d/1BNKQ-hNFIpROyzQRig7a7kTBcmclAQlbv3MCCZfhHiE/edit?usp=sharing
- 07:48:06 [nba]
- thanks
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- 07:52:12 [mountie_]
- allen: considering other case append-only database. what is different?
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- nicolas: talking public/private blockchain
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- adrian: suggest sharing interests
- 07:54:48 [Jean-Yves]
- q+
- 08:02:08 [Jean-Yves]
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- 08:15:26 [ChristopherA]
- https://www.w3.org/2016/04/blockchain-workshop/report.html
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- q-
- 08:20:36 [ChristopherA]
- From that report, in particular the "commitments" graphic.
- 08:23:32 [ChristopherA]
- two sources for others who have worked on use case: https://wiki.hyperledger.org/groups/requirements/use-case-inventory
- 08:23:58 [ChristopherA]
- https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/84-known-blockchain-use-cases-mark-morris
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- Here te list i was refering : https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/84-known-blockchain-use-cases-mark-morris
- 09:46:21 [mountie]
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- 09:46:32 [mountie]
- zakim, who is here?
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- Present: mountie, marta, adrian, adli, favier, jean, floreng, nicolas, colin, robic, adrianS, antoine, red40_, fabrice, allen
- 09:46:35 [Zakim]
- On IRC I see mountie, Jean-Yves, agropper, RRSAgent, Zakim, red40_, red40, rhiaro, nicolagreco, kat, bovesan, manu, fluffypony, adam, robmyers, hadleybeeman
- 09:46:59 [mountie]
- rrsagent, make minutes
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- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2017/04/24-blockchain-minutes.html mountie
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- mountie: we are talking about the blockchain that is implemented, proved, verified at cryptocurrencies
- 09:50:13 [mountie]
- scribe: mountie
- 09:50:25 [mountie]
- allen: approach from top to down
- 09:50:34 [mountie]
- jean: don't use too much time for definition. touch usecase first, comeback to definition.
- 09:50:42 [mountie]
- moving to Introduction part of usecase
- 09:50:50 [mountie]
- nicolas: any scopes limited?
- 09:50:58 [mountie]
- marta: it depend on CG's decision
- 09:51:07 [mountie]
- https://www.w3.org/2016/04/blockchain-workshop/report.html
- 09:51:14 [mountie]
- allen: summarize commitments of workshop : https://www.w3.org/2016/04/blockchain-workshop/report.html#commitments
- 09:51:21 [mountie]
- usecases of hyperledger is different
- 09:51:31 [mountie]
- marta: summarize levels of use cases: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-blockchain/2017Mar/att-0012/Blockchain_Use_Case_Development_W3c.pdf
- 09:51:38 [mountie]
- usecase Level1 : user needs based on key blockchain characteristics
- 09:51:45 [mountie]
- level2: common features - architecture backbone for sectors and domains
- 09:51:52 [mountie]
- level2: identity management, audit trail, time stamp, linking
- 09:52:00 [mountie]
- jean: confused level1 and level2
- 09:52:05 [mountie]
- level3 is for vertical sectors
- 09:52:19 [mountie]
- trying to add consensus, autonomus vs real world assisted, transaction proofs, micro service architecture with decentralized ledger to Level 2 as common feature
- 09:52:26 [mountie]
- vertial sectors as level3 : telecom, financial, government, manufacturing, retail, utilities, healthcard, hospotality, other
- 09:52:33 [mountie]
- adding more to level3: investment banking(stock issue), Trade Finance, Consumer Banking
- 09:52:42 [mountie]
- adding "investment banking(stock issue), Trade Finance, Consumer Banking" to level4 (not level3)
- 09:52:48 [mountie]
- level4 is sub domains of vertical sectors
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- level4: Financial(Investment banking (stock issue), Trade Finance, Consumer Banking (P2P payment), Insurance)
- 09:53:01 [mountie]
- level4: Government (public records, non public records, compliance)
- 09:53:07 [mountie]
- level4: Supply Chain under Manufacturing sector
- 09:53:14 [mountie]
- at level4: Energy, telecom, Water & Waste, Emission Reduction under Utilities sector
- 09:53:22 [mountie]
- at level4: Insurance payment, manufactured products, professional services under Healthcare sector
- 09:53:32 [mountie]
- at level4: Tracking, Coupons & Discounts under Marketing sector
- 09:53:39 [mountie]
- jean: is compliance subdomain of Government?
- 09:53:46 [mountie]
- at level4: Compliance, Certification under Legal sector
- 09:53:54 [mountie]
- marta: moving to Level5
- 09:54:00 [mountie]
- allen: I have over 85 use cases for level5
- 09:55:13 [mountie]
- marta: agenda: 1. usecase, 2. prioritization of usecase, 3. terminology and definitions, 4. collaboration with ISO, 5. plan for the next 6 months
- 09:55:49 [mountie]
- adli: what blockchain should be?
- 09:58:58 [mountie]
- allen: wallet, data formats, protocols...
- 09:59:52 [mountie]
- marta: after creating use case document, try to set priority from the cases
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- marta: we have chance to collaborate with ISO
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- https://wiki.hyperledger.org/groups/requirements/use-case-inventory
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- 10:06:00 [mountie]
- mountie: is the usecase for hyperledger specific?
- 10:06:06 [mountie]
- allen: not true
- 10:07:38 [mountie]
- marta: narrow to internet applicable
- 10:07:39 [ChristopherA]
- https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/84-known-blockchain-use-cases-mark-morris
- 10:07:57 [ChristopherA]
- https://bravenewcoin.com/news/moodys-new-report-identifies-25-top-blockchain-use-cases-from-a-list-of-120/
- 10:11:10 [mountie]
- talking selected potential blockchain usecases from moodys
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- adrian: the usecases of moodys are for corporate.
- 10:13:41 [mountie]
- allen : need more peer-to-peer or user centric usercases
- 10:23:23 [mountie]
- mountie: user agent can be the center of transactions or block transfers of nodes.
- 10:28:49 [mountie]
- collecting more P2P usecases
- 10:34:38 [mountie]
- mountie: solving same-origin policy restriction of Web with blockchain
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- talking more for P2P usecases
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- rrsagent, make minutes
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- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2017/04/24-blockchain-minutes.html mountie
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- rrsagent, make logs public
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- scribe: mountie
- 13:18:14 [mountie]
- mountie: by the today morning's discussion, we need to focus more on user centric, p2p use cases. i think
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- allen: suggesting Self-Sovereign Blockchain Principles
- 13:29:27 [mountie]
- allen: the principles will help to user centric use cases
- 13:31:48 [mountie]
- allen: peer means server and user
- 13:46:45 [mountie]
- working on use case document focusing on user centric cases
- 14:06:35 [mountie]
- continue work on use case ( https://docs.google.com/document/d/1BNKQ-hNFIpROyzQRig7a7kTBcmclAQlbv3MCCZfhHiE/edit# )
- 14:08:01 [mountie]
- user centric use cases under discussion are
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- ….hold people accountable & present accountability
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- …discover information that enables me to communicate while preserving privacy
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- …choose the level at which I reveal my identity
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- … be a subject in the loop of the transaction
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- …have independence from the other parties
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- … preserve my resilience
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- … create cooperative organizations
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- … have censorship resistance
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- … choose the level of participation ->permissioned/private/public blockchain
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- …have low economic barrier
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- …be able to exchange any kind of asset
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- … choose appropriate context/reputation
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- ...be able to cross the organizational and jurisdictional domain origins with preservation of the privacy and access to data rules set by me (the user)
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- 15:14:40 [mountie]
- marta: now we have direction
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- marta: we have no concall at this week.
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- rrsagent, make minutes
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- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2017/04/24-blockchain-minutes.html mountie
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