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18:11:20 <Judy> agenda?
18:11:25 <Judy> agenda order?
18:11:32 <Judy> zakim, agenda order?
18:11:32 <Zakim> I don't understand your question, Judy.
18:11:44 <Judy> zakim, actually i think that's a good thing.
18:11:44 <Zakim> I don't understand 'actually i think that's a good thing', Judy
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18:24:36 <Judy> agenda+ Confirm scribe, agenda, next meeting date (May 10)
18:24:36 <Judy> agenda+ WCAG 2.1 FPWD reception, progress, problems, messaging
18:24:36 <Judy> agenda+ Rechecking EOWG new charter scope/focus
18:24:36 <Judy> agenda+ Milestones and publications check
18:24:36 <Judy> agenda+ APA participation suggestions
18:24:37 <Judy> agenda+ Roadmap next stage: sample roadmaps; populating technical roadmap
18:24:39 <Judy> agenda+ Announcements, topics, reviews for WAI IG?
18:24:41 <Judy> agenda+ Any other business?
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18:29:53 <MichaelC> present+
18:30:18 <allanj> present+
18:30:32 <Ryladog> Present+ Katie_Haritos-Shea
18:30:53 <allanj> zakim, who is here
18:30:53 <Zakim> allanj, you need to end that query with '?'
18:30:57 <allanj> zakim, who is here?
18:30:57 <Zakim> Present: MichaelC, allanj, Katie_Haritos-Shea
18:30:59 <Zakim> On IRC I see allanj, shawn, janina, Ryladog, RRSAgent, Zakim, Judy, MichaelC, cwilso, joanie, trackbot
18:31:01 <janina> present+
18:31:05 <shawn> present+
18:31:13 <Ryladog> Scribe: Katie Haritos-Shea
18:31:18 <Judy> present+
18:31:22 <Ryladog> ScribeNick: Ryladog
18:31:28 <joanie> present+ Joanmarie_Diggs
18:32:11 <Ryladog> Present+ Katie_Haritos-Shea
18:32:58 <Ryladog> zakim, who is here?
18:32:58 <Zakim> Present: MichaelC, allanj, Katie_Haritos-Shea, janina, shawn, Judy, Joanmarie_Diggs
18:33:01 <Zakim> On IRC I see allanj, shawn, janina, Ryladog, RRSAgent, Zakim, Judy, MichaelC, cwilso, joanie, trackbot
18:33:43 <Judy> agenda+ ISC SC35 change of status, accessible products doc for review
18:34:07 <Judy> zakim, take up next item
18:34:07 <Zakim> agendum 1. "Confirm scribe, agenda, next meeting date (May 10)" taken up [from Judy]
18:34:35 <Ryladog> JB: One month from because of Beijing AC meeting
18:34:45 <Judy> zakim, take up next item
18:34:45 <Zakim> agendum 1 was just opened, Judy
18:34:46 <Ryladog> JB: That date will be may 10th
18:34:50 <Judy> zakim, take up next item
18:34:50 <Zakim> agendum 1 was just opened, Judy
18:34:55 <Judy> zakim, close item 1
18:34:55 <Zakim> agendum 1, Confirm scribe, agenda, next meeting date (May 10), closed
18:34:56 <Zakim> I see 8 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
18:34:56 <Zakim> 2. WCAG 2.1 FPWD reception, progress, problems, messaging [from Judy]
18:35:00 <Judy> zakim, take up next item
18:35:00 <Zakim> agendum 2. "WCAG 2.1 FPWD reception, progress, problems, messaging" taken up [from Judy]
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18:35:41 <Ryladog> JB: WCAG 2.1 is the topic, maybe we should wait until AWK gets here
18:35:44 <Judy> agenda?
18:35:52 <Kathy> present+ Kathy
18:36:33 <Ryladog> zakim, take up item 3
18:36:33 <Zakim> agendum 3. "Rechecking EOWG new charter scope/focus" taken up [from Judy]
18:36:53 <Judy> agenda order is 3, 4, 5
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18:38:09 <Ryladog> JB: For EO charter, they are thinking about it. Like APA EO has a parallel role as it is for reviewing/supporting all groups
18:38:25 <Ryladog> JB: They may recharter in maybe October
18:38:35 <George> present+ George
18:38:47 <Ryladog> SHAWN: Redesigning WAI webiste, redoing document and outreach\
18:39:06 <Ryladog> JB: Will you potentially be working with more technical groups?
18:39:15 <Ryladog> SH: We are considering that
18:39:22 <Ryladog> JB: Any thoughts?
18:39:22 <shawn> s/ redoing document and outreach/ updating and redoing document, and outreach
18:39:51 <Ryladog> JB: We need you you comments
18:40:06 <George> q+
18:40:18 <Ryladog> KHS: I was thinking maybe EO was going to help with new WCAG 2.1 UNderstanding Doc?
18:40:28 <Ryladog> SH: Dont know about that
18:40:38 <Ryladog> MC: Dont know about that
18:40:51 <janina> zakim, who's here?
18:40:51 <Zakim> Present: MichaelC, allanj, Katie_Haritos-Shea, janina, shawn, Judy, Joanmarie_Diggs, Kathy, George
18:40:54 <Zakim> On IRC I see George, Kathy, allanj, shawn, janina, Ryladog, RRSAgent, Zakim, Judy, MichaelC, cwilso, joanie, trackbot
18:41:57 <Ryladog> KHS: It will be very hard for the AG WG to do all SC work and do the Understanding Doc
18:42:36 <Ryladog> MC: The cahirs and I are working on this, I do not think EO is technical enough to write Understanding
18:42:45 <Ryladog> JB: We dont use EO for crunch work
18:43:01 <shawn> q?
18:43:14 <shawn> q+
18:43:21 <Ryladog> GK: Reminder of publishing entering the EO fray at some time soon
18:43:21 <shawn> ack g
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18:44:13 <Ryladog> JB: Yes. When IDPF before they did Accessibility EO stuff in their realm there - now there is an opportunity to plan and carry out the intersection of our work
18:44:15 <Brent> Present+ Brent
18:44:20 <shawn> q?
18:44:27 <Ryladog> JB: Lets talk about this
18:45:00 <Ryladog> GK: We are looking at the W3C MOOC - a good item to talk about
18:45:20 <Ryladog> JB: Please share your MOOC review stuff with Shadi, me and Shawn
18:45:28 <shawn> ack me
18:45:34 <Ryladog> JB: Share confidentiallyif needed
18:46:02 <Ryladog> SH: George can you say abit more now. Who shoudl I follow up with about EO Publishing?
18:46:49 <Ryladog> GK: We have Publishing Business Group is probably the best place - but there will be a Working Group Rec track that hasnt gone out for review yet
18:47:06 <Ryladog> GK: It might be good on May 10th to discuss
18:47:07 <Judy> agenda?
18:47:28 <Ryladog> SH: Need a better idea what EO might be helping with or developing specifically
18:47:33 <Ryladog> GK" OK
18:47:47 <Ryladog> JB: We need to remind what EO does
18:48:14 <Ryladog> JB: WAI needs to have a coordinated set of activities, even with the re-org
18:48:47 <Ryladog> JB: Shawn and Brett when do you think youll have the draft charter? Certainly by May 10th
18:48:55 <Ryladog> SH: Sure
18:49:27 <Ryladog> JB: Any quick last EO thongs?
18:49:40 <shawn> in progress work list https://www.w3.org/WAI/EO/wiki/EOWG_Current_Projects#2017_Charter_Work
18:49:56 <Ryladog> JEanne: What about Silver?
18:50:12 <Ryladog> JB: You will have some things on that right
18:50:44 <Ryladog> SH: Can you give us some specfics?
18:50:50 <Ryladog> zakim, next item
18:50:50 <Zakim> agendum 4. "Milestones and publications check" taken up [from Judy]
18:51:38 <Ryladog> JB: Reorg PM part is now getting more into monitoring milestones. MC you were checking in for your three groups
18:51:48 <Ryladog> JB: Are tthere any documents expected
18:52:04 <Ryladog> MC: ARIA WG Personalization FPWD
18:52:27 <Ryladog> MC: WCAG 2,1 Cognitive having a Working Draft of something
18:52:48 <Ryladog> MC: April 18th, so I dont think we are going to make it
18:52:59 <Ryladog> JB: Is there already a plan for the messaging
18:53:11 <Ryladog> q+
18:54:00 <Judy> agenda+ eme and accessibilty
18:54:20 <Ryladog> KHS: I thought it would be a huge mistake having monthly drafts
18:54:32 <Ryladog> MC: We will not be able to address all comments each time
18:54:33 <Judy> q+
18:54:38 <Judy> ack R
18:54:41 <Ryladog> ack ry
18:55:00 <Ryladog> JB: This has been hughly tricky
18:55:10 <Ryladog> JB: Too many interdependencies
18:55:49 <Ryladog> JB: We created misunderstanding that multiplied. I would suggest that for that portion I would like to be able to help with that messaging.
18:56:03 <Ryladog> JB: Maybe there are things we can do on WAI IG that might help
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18:56:27 <Ryladog> JB: Any other publications?
18:56:40 <Judy> zakim, take up next
18:56:40 <Zakim> I see a speaker queue remaining and respectfully decline to close this agendum, Judy
18:56:43 <Judy> ack j
18:56:46 <Ryladog> zakim, next item
18:56:46 <Zakim> agendum 5. "APA participation suggestions" taken up [from Judy]
18:57:23 <jeanne> present+ jeanne
18:58:06 <Ryladog> JB: APA has ebbs and flows of groups. We have that now post CSUN for APA. There is a blog coming. Sometimes the best way to find folks is to actually look for referals
18:58:23 <Ryladog> JB: Can we brainstorm this?
18:58:45 <Ryladog> JB: What topics do you need help with ?
18:59:08 <Ryladog> JS: We need help with CSS, someone to help facilitate this. It is a black hole
18:59:34 <Ryladog> MC: We need more through put, and who are able to communicate it to CSS people
18:59:48 <Ryladog> JB: I heard CSS and what else??
19:00:17 <Judy> s/else??/else?/
19:00:28 <Ryladog> MC: Lots of comes and goes categories. Media, in all forms. Authentication. Graphics needs ore attention
19:00:49 <Ryladog> JS: Graphics in general becasue SVG has ground to a halt
19:01:22 <Ryladog> JB: Dont worry, SVG nmay be picking up again. ANy ideas from foks here that know of people to fill these needs?
19:01:48 <Ryladog> JS: APA is a great way to get a view into the world of accessible web technology
19:01:49 <Judy> zakim, take up next
19:01:49 <Zakim> agendum 2. "WCAG 2.1 FPWD reception, progress, problems, messaging" taken up [from Judy]
19:01:49 <Ryladog> zakim, next item
19:01:51 <Zakim> agendum 2 was just opened, Ryladog
19:02:35 <Ryladog> JB: MC anything to report on issues with WCAG 2.1?
19:03:05 <Ryladog> MC: I am guilty of not having read all of the comments. It is not too many and not too few.
19:03:44 <Ryladog> MC: Many say that "this is not ready in its current form". There are some comments that dont understand what the end point of 2.1 is.
19:04:53 <Ryladog> MC: Progress, the bazaar thing, GitHub haas lead to folks just diving into comment comments. So Iam not sire. We will try to address all comments in some way by the end
19:05:27 <MichaelC> s/bazaar/bizarre/
19:05:50 <MichaelC> https://www.w3.org/blog/2017/02/wcag21-fpwd/
19:06:01 <Ryladog> JB: Wondering if biggest challenges what has started to happen recently and what are the stages of this. I think you did a blog for the FPWD. Maybe we shoukd do a 1 or 2 ststaus summary
19:06:48 <Ryladog> JB: So folks have an understanding on the current status and might help demystify the process of WCAG 2.1
19:07:49 <Ryladog> JB: It could be a running blog for each month
19:08:01 <Ryladog> JB: Do you think that is feasiable?
19:08:16 <Judy> zakim, take up next
19:08:16 <Zakim> agendum 6. "Roadmap next stage: sample roadmaps; populating technical roadmap" taken up [from Judy]
19:08:20 <Ryladog> MC: I can say tenetively, but I will need to discuss with the chairs
19:08:27 <Judy> agenda?
19:08:52 <Judy> zakim, agenda order is 9, 10, 6, 7, 8
19:08:52 <Zakim> ok, Judy
19:08:59 <Ryladog> zakim, next item
19:08:59 <Zakim> agendum 6 was just opened, Ryladog
19:09:17 <Ryladog> zakim, take up item 9
19:09:17 <Zakim> agendum 9. "ISC SC35 change of status, accessible products doc for review" taken up [from Judy]
19:09:31 <Ryladog> JB: Janina
19:10:35 <Ryladog> JS: First I have been the formal liaiason between WAI and ISO 35 TC, that is no longer possible - we fellbelow the membership threshold so we had to disband
19:11:31 <Ryladog> JS: Two WG under S 35, one is 8 with is under Gottfried it is the V2
19:12:05 <Ryladog> JS: I can no longer participate because the US deligation no longer has a deligate
19:12:20 <Ryladog> JB: So Sadi may be able to as he is a liaison
19:12:28 <Ryladog> JB: What were you tracking?
19:12:32 <Judy> s/Sadi/Shadi/
19:13:08 <Ryladog> JS: Their guidance on described video. There was not much of an intersection. I do have a specific item
19:13:40 <Ryladog> JB: The usual W3C person must be a staff member, so maybe we can discuss this off line
19:13:56 <Ryladog> JB: And feed it back throught ethe W3C technical liaison
19:14:38 <Ryladog> JS: We need to be sure we are not providing conflicting guidance. Part 1 ISO IEC O7-1.
19:15:07 <janina> https://www.iso.org/standard/70913.html
19:15:20 <Ryladog> JB: What do you want WAICC to address. Please send mail to Shadi about this update. I am w3c secondary liaison to ISO for WAI
19:15:33 <Ryladog> JB: Anything else?
19:15:51 <Ryladog> zakim, next item
19:15:51 <Zakim> agendum 10. "eme and accessibilty" taken up [from Judy]
19:16:58 <Ryladog> JB: Many have heard about the EME and accessibility. Theer are many perceptions about it. There had been concerns raised about Accessibility. I wwant to share a resources.
19:18:30 <Ryladog> JB: APA/PF looked at this back in 2013 and several times since then and had a F2F meeting with HTML and MTML Media WG. The upshot was that there were not many Accessibility concens. I wanted to ensure Accessibility testing was done on the ME spec
19:18:44 <Judy> https://www.w3.org/2017/03/eme-accessibility.html
19:19:44 <Ryladog> JB: Very specifically we have had more analysis is here. I am not saying it is flawless. Some folks seem to think there might be an issue with many use cases. Being possibly blocked. We are not finding that.
19:19:55 <George> q+
19:20:16 <janina> scribe: janina
19:20:51 <janina> gk: Is our AC rep expected to comment on EME?
19:21:00 <janina> jb: There is an AC review for EME
19:21:24 <janina> jb: Rep should have email requesting EME review, but it's not required
19:21:41 <Ryladog> I'm back
19:22:13 <Ryladog> GK: We were not sure about the content when using AT. I think this is the only comment we need to make
19:22:23 <Ryladog> JB: That is something we looked at very carefully
19:23:19 <Ryladog> JB: One thing that is very starightfirward - Accessibility information for transcript etc are in the clear - the spec say these thing SHOULD not be encrypted
19:23:30 <Ryladog> JB: thet become de-crpyted
19:24:09 <Ryladog> JB: Even some of the other adaptations we havnt found evidence that they are blocked. But, we cant test everything
19:24:25 <Ryladog> JA: What about the HTML?
19:24:37 <Ryladog> JA: Like a paragraph
19:24:47 <Ryladog> JB: I am thinking about a video track
19:25:18 <Ryladog> JA: EME includes a digital book that is encrypted and then decrypted
19:25:31 <Ryladog> JS: I think maybe you are thinking about the timing
19:25:44 <Ryladog> JB: And that timing is not encrypted
19:26:10 <Ryladog> JB: The time code is exposed to the public -
19:26:23 <Ryladog> JA: So EME excludes text files
19:26:40 <Ryladog> JB: The current EME does not encrypt text files
19:26:57 <Ryladog> JS: Ad the spec actaully encourages that it be in the clear
19:27:26 <Ryladog> JB: If you do encrypt them then you MUST provide a way to get the accessibility information to users.
19:28:18 <Ryladog> JB: It is a very compliacted topic. I wanted to help make clear that Accessibility should not be a considering factor in whether decificng EME is good for the W3C to support
19:28:44 <Ryladog> JS: Our guidance was heard to not excrypt the accessibility information
19:30:15 <Ryladog> zakim, next item
19:30:15 <Zakim> I see a speaker queue remaining and respectfully decline to close this agendum, Ryladog
19:30:20 <Judy> ack g
19:30:23 <Ryladog> zakim, next item
19:30:23 <Zakim> agendum 6. "Roadmap next stage: sample roadmaps; populating technical roadmap" taken up [from Judy]
19:30:59 <Ryladog> JB: Last meeting I mentioned I want to help lead get a clearer idea of what the Accessibility Goald are
19:31:27 <Ryladog> JB: Part of that includes a roadmap for technical specs, a roadmap for guidelines work, etc
19:32:22 <Ryladog> JB: I actually want to start with technical specs such as ARIA and APIs. What do you think need to be in that portion of the raodmap?
19:33:23 <Ryladog> JS: I want to be sure that soemthing isnt dropped - to disciver available devices. You pretty much cant go inot FF and say "discover all available devices"
19:33:49 <Ryladog> JB: Discoverability APIs - does WebRTC know that?
19:34:10 <Ryladog> JS: I dont know and I dont know that they feel it is in scope
19:34:38 <Ryladog> JB: Please cc Ralph and copy me - I was talking to him about this today.
19:35:16 <Ryladog> JB: Does API space itself does it itself have a roadmap? I was thinking it does.
19:35:31 <Ryladog> Joannie: You mean like ATK?
19:35:47 <Ryladog> JOanie: I am not aware of them happening right now
19:35:57 <Ryladog> Joannie: a long time ago we tried
19:36:11 <Ryladog> JB: Are they a gleam in somebodies eye?
19:36:38 <Ryladog> JS: Ther are two on windows, one on MAC, one on ..
19:36:51 <Ryladog> JB: Thos e are platform APIs, we want spec APIs
19:37:25 <Ryladog> JB: I want to surface those. To get some of that stuff more visible would help when people have colliding ideas
19:38:10 <Ryladog> JB: I think it might be better if I do some pre-discussion for each of the topics. Then I will ask for review topics
19:38:39 <Ryladog> JB: Joannoe and Micheal expect a ping from me on what would be in the Raodmap _ iwill cc Janina
19:38:43 <Judy> agenda?
19:38:50 <Ryladog> technical specs
19:38:57 <Ryladog> zakim, next item
19:38:57 <Zakim> agendum 7. "Announcements, topics, reviews for WAI IG?" taken up [from Judy]
19:39:16 <Ryladog> JB: Any nominations for announcements on WAI IG?
19:41:00 <Ryladog> KHS: If AG chairs decide they want regular WCAG 2.1 blog, that would be good to have on WAI IG
19:41:05 <Judy> s/The timing code/The HTML time code/
19:41:37 <Ryladog> GK: We are doing testing of eREader readinf systems. I was planning on a call for more participation. I was thinking about putting that on WAI-IG
19:42:34 <Judy> zakim, take up next item
19:42:34 <Zakim> agendum 8. "Any other business?" taken up [from Judy]
19:42:42 <Ryladog> KHS: I will send you the 4 things that need to be in the announcement, I iwll send that to you after this call. Then you can just send it
19:42:43 <Ryladog> zakim, next item
19:42:43 <Zakim> agendum 8 was just opened, Ryladog
19:43:16 <Ryladog> JB: We will be coming back to thing including Roadmap
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19:45:54 <Ryladog> zakim, please part
19:45:54 <Zakim> leaving.  As of this point the attendees have been MichaelC, allanj, Katie_Haritos-Shea, janina, shawn, Judy, Joanmarie_Diggs, Kathy, George, Brent, jeanne
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19:46:53 <Ryladog> zakim, bye
20:18:24 <janina> zakim, who's here?
20:18:29 <Ryladog> yes
20:18:31 <janina> http://w3c.github.io/apa/fast/checklist
20:19:32 <janina> https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/Community_Groups
20:24:48 <janina> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-apa/2017Mar/0018.html
20:25:22 <janina> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-apa/2017Mar/0019.html