04:46:16 Zakim has left #sdwssn 19:55:42 RRSAgent has joined #sdwssn 19:55:42 logging to http://www.w3.org/2017/04/12-sdwssn-irc 19:55:44 RRSAgent, make logs world 19:55:44 Zakim has joined #sdwssn 19:55:46 Zakim, this will be SDW 19:55:46 ok, trackbot 19:55:47 Meeting: Spatial Data on the Web Working Group Teleconference 19:55:47 Date: 12 April 2017 19:59:27 trackbot, start meeting 19:59:30 RRSAgent, make logs world 19:59:33 Zakim, this will be SDW 19:59:33 Meeting: Spatial Data on the Web Working Group Teleconference 19:59:33 Date: 12 April 2017 19:59:33 ok, trackbot 20:00:17 mlefranc has joined #sdwssn 20:00:22 * hi Armin 20:00:54 hi Maxime 20:02:14 DanhLePhuoc has joined #sdwssn 20:03:12 present+ ahaller2 20:05:55 present+ mlefranc 20:06:55 SimonCox has joined #sdwssn 20:07:42 present+ 20:08:20 present+ DanhLePhuoc 20:09:17 topic: https://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/wiki/Patent_Call 20:09:32 topic: Resolve Issues https://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/wiki/Open_Issues 20:10:33 scribe: DanhLePhuoc 20:10:38 scribenick: DanhLePhuoc 20:10:52 https://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/track/issues/42 20:11:18 ISSUE-42: Align ssn to to implement best practices as defined in our bp deliverable. 20:11:18 Notes added to ISSUE-42 Align ssn to to implement best practices as defined in our bp deliverable.. 20:11:21 KJanowic has joined #sdwssn 20:11:25 q? 20:11:41 Armin, this issue might not make much different in the ontology 20:12:15 present+ 20:12:28 http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/usecasesv1.html 20:12:42 q+ 20:13:09 http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/bp.html 20:13:13 Simon, there is no relevant properties to Spatial elements 20:13:24 https://www.w3.org/TR/dwbp/ 20:13:27 http://w3c.github.io/sdw/bp/ ? 20:13:44 https://www.w3.org/TR/sdw-bp/ 20:13:54 http://w3c.github.io/sdw/bp/ 20:14:06 q+ 20:14:19 http://w3c.github.io/sdw/bp/#bp-summary 20:15:35 ack 20:15:44 s- 20:15:57 q- 20:16:12 q? 20:16:15 mlefranc: we might put a note how to annotating spatial properties to System 20:16:15 ack DanhLePhuoc 20:16:50 DanhLePhuoc: hasLocation in Dolce -> people in previous SSN used it a lot, 20:17:00 q+ 20:17:11 DanhLePhuoc: Sensors have locations, which is a popular property 20:17:34 ... FeatureOfInterest may be spatial things 20:18:01 ... location of the sensor when it's moving ? 20:18:23 ... something in the document that links to the BP for that ? 20:18:41 q+ 20:19:08 Moving sensors is a common requirement. Probably the best work in the Sensor/Observation space would be from the Oceans community 20:19:17 q+ 20:19:23 also Meteorology. 20:19:38 They have ships, balloons, soundings. 20:19:44 ack KJanowic 20:19:58 Jeremy Tandy knows about this. 20:20:39 KJanowic: we can't have assumption on hasLocation, that might break our current axioms 20:20:45 FeatureOfInterest models usually come from domains ... though it would be nice to have some generic patterns 20:21:02 q+ 20:22:27 sentence that says: instances of Sensors, Actuators, Samplers, Systems, and FeatuteOfInterset MAY also be instances be SpatialThing s ? 20:22:28 FOI, Samplers, Actuators, Sensors, Platforms and so on 20:22:30 I can do so 20:22:31 KJanowic: we should out a note how to model spatial aspect to geospatial... 20:22:45 I can write 20:22:47 simon edit 20:23:37 q? 20:23:40 ack SimonCox 20:24:04 simon: we need acknowledge a need, so, propose a solution, pointers to the potential solutions 20:24:15 http://w3c.github.io/sdw/ssn/#TheSSNontology 20:24:19 simon: we need to make a careful one 20:24:47 q+ 20:24:50 ahaller2: KJanowic volunteer to put the note 20:25:37 descriptions can be normative 20:25:56 ahaller2: can you asign me an action? 20:26:10 ACTION: KJanowic to write a short piece on locations and moving sensors, SimonCox to double-check 20:26:11 Created ACTION-311 - Write a short piece on locations and moving sensors, simoncox to double-check [on Krzysztof Janowicz - due 2017-04-19]. 20:26:14 q? 20:26:17 ack mlefranc 20:26:54 ack KJanowic 20:27:50 KJanowic: how should we coordinate the editing to avoid conflicts 20:28:58 q+ 20:29:06 ahaller2: we will stop to use specgen as it takes more effort than doing that manually 20:29:49 ahaller2: the toll does not generate some classes and properties 20:30:05 s/toll/stool 20:30:12 s/stool/tool 20:30:13 q+ 20:30:15 q? 20:30:29 ack mlefranc 20:30:34 https://ns.inria.fr/sparql-template/ 20:31:07 ack DanhLePhuoc 20:33:04 I think you can use html, just use seperate files instead of everybody working on the main document. 20:33:49 Exactly 20:34:53 q+ 20:34:57 ack KJanowic 20:35:00 q+ 20:35:21 ack DanhLePhuoc 20:37:07 q? 20:38:34 q? 20:39:17 DanhLePhuoc: we will the same style of OBE alignment proposed by SimonCox for other alignments 20:39:31 q? 20:39:59 close issue-42 20:39:59 Closed issue-42. 20:40:21 https://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/track/issues/44 20:40:58 ahaller2: there is section in the document addressing that 20:41:06 http://w3c.github.io/sdw/ssn/#Developments 20:41:20 q? 20:41:31 (afk for 2min) 20:41:40 q? 20:41:42 ahaller2: we just need to extend this section a bit to fully address this issue 20:42:02 q? 20:42:12 ahaller2: suggest to close the issue or whoever will write this section will close it 20:42:27 https://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/track/issues/47 20:42:51 ahaller2: i haven done that for SOSa 20:43:07 s/haven/have 20:43:13 q? 20:43:20 ahaller2: I can close when i'm doing it 20:43:39 https://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/track/issues/44 to be closed by KJanowic once done 20:43:55 https://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/track/issues/47 to be closed by ahaller2 once done in document 20:44:06 https://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/track/issues/50 20:44:38 q? 20:45:16 (back) 20:45:35 https://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/track/issues/50 to be closed by DanhLePhuoc when Danh finish this section 20:45:41 https://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/track/issues/50 to be closed by DanhLePhuoc once done in WD 20:45:43 q+ 20:45:58 https://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/track/issues/52 20:46:29 q? 20:46:33 ack KJanowic 20:47:21 Sure, I will do so 20:48:10 close issue-52 20:48:10 Closed issue-52. 20:48:13 adrmin: we have done a lot of work on this, so, we can close it 20:48:22 https://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/track/issues/53 20:48:46 ahaller2: this can be a future work 20:49:00 simon: this wouldn't be that hard 20:49:37 ahaller2: it can go the non-normative part 20:49:56 q+ 20:50:24 ack KJanowic 20:50:50 KJanowic: we can put a note as the future work 20:51:20 close issue-53 20:51:20 Closed issue-53. 20:51:46 ACTION: ahaller2 to ask if non-normative alignments can be added to the document after last call (e.g. PROV-O alignment) 20:51:47 Created ACTION-312 - Ask if non-normative alignments can be added to the document after last call (e.g. prov-o alignment) [on Armin Haller - due 2017-04-19]. 20:51:59 https://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/track/issues/54 20:53:30 close issue-54 20:53:30 Closed issue-54. 20:53:47 out of scope as issue-53 is future work 20:53:57 https://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/track/issues/55 20:54:05 For your interest, I keep track of the resolutions and will update the wiki page with those 20:54:31 Thanks Maxime 20:54:37 q? 20:54:46 55 is out of scope 20:54:54 we already align to o7M etc 20:54:57 ahaller2: it is interesting but it should be marked a future work 20:55:16 close issue-55 20:55:16 Closed issue-55. 20:55:28 I have to teach now, sorry. good luck guys and thanks for all your hard work 20:55:31 https://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/track/issues/56 20:55:51 this issue does not have another with it 20:56:30 q+ 20:57:51 ack mlefranc 20:59:58 DanhLePhuoc: TD is still an on-going work, so, we don't have to align to them 21:00:36 mlefranc: just put a note to hint how TD can be aligned with SOSA/SSN 21:00:54 an instance of a platform may be an iot device 21:01:34 ACTION: ahaller2 to look into WoT device and potentially add an rdfs:comment or skos:example where appropriate (Platform class?) 21:01:35 Created ACTION-313 - Look into wot device and potentially add an rdfs:comment or skos:example where appropriate (platform class?) [on Armin Haller - due 2017-04-19]. 21:01:42 q? 21:01:56 close issue-56 21:01:57 Closed issue-56. 21:02:08 https://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/track/issues/57 21:02:51 q? 21:02:56 there is no ontology in coverage deliverable so, we can close this issue 21:03:02 close issue-57 21:03:03 Closed issue-57. 21:03:22 https://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/track/issues/58 21:04:20 q? 21:04:38 ahaller2: it's not required to cover all the requirements, we may include in here and there in the document 21:04:59 q? 21:05:26 ahaller2: editors should have check the UCR again to cover it in the document when it's relevant 21:05:27 close issue-58 21:05:27 Closed issue-58. 21:05:38 https://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/track/issues/59 21:06:26 https://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/wiki/SSN_Wish_List 21:07:44 q? 21:08:00 Umbrella issue - for some elements new specific issues were created; if no new issue, won't get to it now. Close issue 59 21:08:03 close issue-59 21:08:03 Closed issue-59. 21:08:12 https://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/track/issues/60 21:09:27 ahaller2: Armin volunteer to do the German and Raul proposed to do in Spanish 21:09:42 q? 21:09:48 ahaller2: I will check again if we can do it during the public review 21:09:52 Antoine Zimmermann and myself will do the French one 21:10:31 ACTION: mlefranc and antoine to write French labels and comments in SOSA and SSN 21:10:32 Created ACTION-314 - And antoine to write french labels and comments in sosa and ssn [on Maxime Lefrançois - due 2017-04-19]. 21:10:47 close issue-60 21:10:47 Closed issue-60. 21:11:01 https://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/track/issues/61 21:11:45 references a wiki page that is empty 21:11:51 close issue-61 21:11:51 Closed issue-61. 21:12:10 https://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/track/issues/71 21:13:47 Use temporal primitives from OWL-Time (not SAO Time) 21:15:11 In OGC standard TimeSeriesML a temporal 'coverage' is embedded in the Observation/result 21:15:22 time series and modelling sensor data as stream data is out the scope 21:15:25 close issue-71 21:15:25 Closed issue-71. 21:15:34 https://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/track/issues/72 21:15:41 There are many options for time-series - not clear that SAO is better than any of the others 21:16:05 q? 21:17:35 ACTION: DanhLePhuoc to check if what we use is actually called RDF(S)++, RDF(S) plus inverseOf 21:17:35 Error finding 'DanhLePhuoc'. You can review and register nicknames at . 21:17:54 close issue-72 21:17:54 Closed issue-72. 21:18:30 https://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/track/issues/84 and https://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/track/issues/102 21:19:41 ahaller2: there are several discussions on these issues with a lot emails 21:21:12 Thread Voting on a name for ssn this week in plenary ? 21:21:54 https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-sdw-wg/2017Apr/0076.html 21:23:08 https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-sdw-wg/2017Apr/0014.html 21:23:12 --> start of the thread 21:24:16 most of the options proposed have some objections, so, we stick the the current naming scheme 21:24:33 q? 21:26:10 we haven't been able to the reach the agreement on a common name space prefix, so, the fall back solution is now using SOSA and SSN, the status quo 21:26:31 s/to the/to 21:31:16 q? 21:31:49 https://www.w3.org/2017/Process-20170301/#WGChairReopen 21:33:15 https://www.w3.org/2017/03/21-sdw-minutes 21:33:17 We reopen the decision made during F2F in Delft, because some people that were not able to attend the scheduled meeting had new information about this. 21:33:34 then we can vote on using two prefixes and two namespaces 21:33:48 Objections to the decision were made by several people as of https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-sdw-wg/2017Apr/0014.html 21:35:38 Objections were made to the resolution: That the 'two' ontologies share a common name with either prefix or suffix to distinguish, e.g. 'lite' or 'full' 21:36:21 PROPOSED: That the two ontologies use seperate prefixes as of the status quo, i.e. SOSA and SSN 21:36:31 +1 21:36:41 +1 21:36:42 0 21:36:55 +1 21:37:18 RESOLVED: That the two ontologies use seperate prefixes as of the status quo, i.e. SOSA and SSN 21:37:31 close issue-84 21:37:31 Closed issue-84. 21:37:38 close issue-102 21:37:38 Closed issue-102. 21:37:59 https://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/track/issues/103 21:39:12 we will use the similar style of OBE alignment 21:40:08 close issue-103 21:40:08 Closed issue-103. 21:40:20 https://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/track/issues/81 21:42:06 q? 21:42:34 Alignmednt graphs should import the two ontologies that they align 21:42:49 s/Alignmednt/Alignment 21:42:55 s/Alignmednt/Alignment/ 21:43:04 close issue-81 21:43:04 Closed issue-81. 21:43:07 (need to change computer because my battery is low. will be away for a few minuteswill not 21:43:15 https://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/track/issues/83 21:43:22 ; will not be able to edit the wiki anymore 21:46:31 mlefranc has joined #sdwssn 21:46:43 https://w3c.github.io/sdw/ssn-usage/ 21:47:51 https://github.com/w3c/sdw/tree/gh-pages/ssn-usage 21:48:47 close issue-83 21:48:47 Closed issue-83. 21:49:50 https://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/track/issues/93 21:50:41 q? 21:51:11 Rewording of definition in SOSA was deliberate 21:51:24 broader scope than SSN, so description should *not* be the same 21:51:43 New sensor comment: Device, agent (including humans), or software (simulation) involved in, or implementing, a Procedure. Sensors respond to a stimulus, e.g., a change in the environment, or input data composed from the results of prior Observations, and generate a Result. Sensors can be mounted on Platforms. 21:51:58 includes software, people (interpretations) as well as classic sensors 21:52:30 close issue-93 21:52:30 Closed issue-93. 21:52:40 https://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/track/issues/104 21:54:05 solution is proposed in issue-103 21:54:08 close issue-104 21:54:08 Closed issue-104. 21:54:18 https://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/track/issues/110 21:55:44 ACTION: SimonCox to send a blurb on SWE to Jano via email 21:55:44 Created ACTION-315 - Send a blurb on swe to jano via email [on Simon Cox - due 2017-04-19]. 21:55:54 close issue-110 21:55:55 Closed issue-110. 21:56:26 https://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/track/issues/112 22:00:36 ACTION: mlefranc to coordinate the implementation of the old SSN in its old namespace/URI 22:00:37 Created ACTION-316 - Coordinate the implementation of the old ssn in its old namespace/uri [on Maxime Lefrançois - due 2017-04-19]. 22:00:49 close issue-112 22:00:49 Closed issue-112. 22:01:38 https://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/track/issues/118 22:01:53 SOrry - meetings to go to 22:09:37 https://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/track/issues/118 22:10:24 ACTION: ahaller2 to coordinate with Simon to consider Sample to be a subclass of FeatureOfInterest 22:10:24 Created ACTION-317 - Coordinate with simon to consider sample to be a subclass of featureofinterest [on Armin Haller - due 2017-04-19]. 22:10:47 close issue-118 22:10:47 Closed issue-118. 22:11:00 https://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/track/issues/119 22:13:26 ACTION: mlefranc to write a blurb on how to use unit of measurements with our Result class in a seperate html file to be committed to Github 22:13:26 Created ACTION-318 - Write a blurb on how to use unit of measurements with our result class in a seperate html file to be committed to github [on Maxime Lefrançois - due 2017-04-19]. 22:13:29 q? 22:13:35 close issue-119 22:13:35 Closed issue-119. 22:13:50 https://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/track/issues/121 22:14:28 decision made to deprecate sensordatasheet in our meeting on the 11 of April 22:15:01 https://github.com/w3c/sdw/pull/688 22:15:07 close issue-121 22:15:07 Closed issue-121. 22:15:21 https://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/track/issues/147 22:19:31 ACTION: ahaller2 to work on the dcterms:title and dcterms:description for SOSA and SSN 22:19:32 Created ACTION-319 - Work on the dcterms:title and dcterms:description for sosa and ssn [on Armin Haller - due 2017-04-19]. 22:20:00 ACTION: mlefranc to include version info in SSN and SSN old 22:20:00 Created ACTION-320 - Include version info in ssn and ssn old [on Maxime Lefrançois - due 2017-04-19]. 22:20:23 dcterms:contributor to be decided based on a metric at a later stage 22:20:50 close issue-147 22:20:50 Closed issue-147. 22:21:10 https://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/track/issues/148 22:22:07 https://github.com/w3c/sdw/pull/680 22:24:09 ACTION: mlefranc to check if all sub-issues in https://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/track/issues/148 have been addressed 22:24:09 Created ACTION-321 - Check if all sub-issues in https://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/track/issues/148 have been addressed [on Maxime Lefrançois - due 2017-04-19]. 22:24:19 close issue-147 22:24:19 Closed issue-147. 22:24:45 close issue-148 22:24:45 Closed issue-148. 22:24:51 https://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/track/issues/152 22:26:40 coordinate with KJanowicz to close that issue once action item 309 is finalised https://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/track/actions/309 22:27:04 https://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/track/issues/153 22:27:54 wait for implementation of Action 309 https://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/track/actions/309 22:30:30 bye 22:31:12 RRSAgent, make logs public 22:31:20 RRSAgent, draft minutes 22:31:20 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2017/04/12-sdwssn-minutes.html ahaller2