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20:58:35 <trackbot> Meeting: Spatial Data on the Web Working Group Teleconference
20:58:35 <trackbot> Date: 12 April 2017
20:58:54 <billroberts> present+ billroberts
20:59:02 <dmitrybrizhinev> present+ dmitrybrizhinev
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21:03:58 <billroberts> hi Kerry - we'll just wait for you to come through on webex then can make a start
21:06:53 <kerry> scribe: dmitrybrizhinev
21:07:01 <kerry> scribenick: dmitrybrizhinev
21:07:07 <billroberts> https://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/wiki/Patent_Call
21:07:26 <billroberts> https://www.w3.org/2017/03/21-sdw-minutes
21:07:57 <kerry> q+
21:08:51 <billroberts> ack k
21:08:56 <kerry> topic: covjson update
21:09:07 <dmitrybrizhinev> billroberts: at the meeting we agreed to make covjson as is into a FPWD
21:09:36 <dmitrybrizhinev> billroberts: one condition - add something to motivation to explain why it is of interest to the SDW group. Added a couple of sentences today
21:10:00 <dmitrybrizhinev> billroberts: covjson has been designed to work well in a web context, hence it meets many of the BPs of the SDW group
21:10:19 <dmitrybrizhinev> billroberts: once merged in, I think the document is ready to publish
21:10:38 <billroberts> Francois's request: "I would also need some form of recorded agreement to use a given short name (e.g. a resolution in the minutes), the name that goes after "/TR/" in "https://www.w3.org/TR/[short name]". I would not use "coverageJSON" to leave that short name available for a possible real "CoverageJSON" spec in the future. Although it is a bit long, it could simply be "CoverageJSON-overview"."
21:11:16 <billroberts> alternative: "covjson-overview" ?
21:11:38 <dmitrybrizhinev> kerry: +1 to shorter version
21:12:00 <billroberts> PROPOSED: use 'covjson-overview' as the short name for the document in the W3C URL
21:12:05 <billroberts> +1
21:12:07 <dmitrybrizhinev> +1
21:12:10 <kerry> +1
21:12:24 <billroberts> RESOLVED: use 'covjson-overview' as the short name for the document in the W3C URL
21:13:16 <dmitrybrizhinev> billroberts: remaining work on covjson is a section to explain how it relates to BPs, or appropriate references throughout the document
21:14:01 <dmitrybrizhinev> billroberts: since there is a section for use cases and reqs, maybe appropriate to have a section
21:14:10 <dmitrybrizhinev> kerry: if there is too much, it gets in the way when it is all inline
21:14:28 <kerry> q+
21:14:30 <dmitrybrizhinev> billroberts: need to have a chat with jon about including spec in the document
21:14:56 <dmitrybrizhinev> billroberts: probably a few weeks away from a final version
21:14:58 <billroberts> ack k
21:15:42 <dmitrybrizhinev> kerry: should "cross-reference": put something in covjson about eo-qb (why you would want to use the other one) and vice-versa
21:16:14 <dmitrybrizhinev> billroberts: would be useful to agree between us to agree what the two formats' respective niches are
21:16:51 <dmitrybrizhinev> kerry: and potentially in the BP bit you are working on as well
21:17:10 <billroberts> Topic: EO-QB
21:17:33 <dmitrybrizhinev> billroberts: I had a look through your recent emails and the recent edits to the document
21:17:43 <dmitrybrizhinev> billroberts: I'm very happy with what you've written
21:18:32 <billroberts> https://www.w3.org/2017/04/12-sdwbp-minutes
21:18:32 <dmitrybrizhinev> billroberts: With respect to referring to EO-QB in the BP doc - jeremy accepted your comments
21:19:02 <dmitrybrizhinev> billroberts: jeremy suggested including your comment about balancing quality and cost in BP 10
21:19:51 <dmitrybrizhinev> kerry: I thought the most interesting part of that was the virtual triple store - some suggestion of different storage architectures
21:20:16 <dmitrybrizhinev> kerry: use your own judgement whether that's relevant
21:20:45 <dmitrybrizhinev> billroberts: it could be a nice example because EO-QB is balancing linkability with performance
21:21:30 <dmitrybrizhinev> billroberts: jeremy added a ref in the change over time BP where you suggested
21:22:17 <dmitrybrizhinev> dmitrybrizhinev: I've been out of the loop on EO-QB status
21:22:24 <dmitrybrizhinev> kerry: I made a few fixes here and there
21:22:43 <dmitrybrizhinev> kerry: TODO text document in the email
21:22:52 <dmitrybrizhinev> dmitrybrizhnev: I'll have a look at it over the next week
21:23:03 <dmitrybrizhinev> kerry: most significant bit is the URLs for the tiles
21:23:20 <dmitrybrizhinev> kerry: we talked about how it's useful that DGGS provides unique id's, but we don't actually use them that way
21:23:50 <dmitrybrizhinev> kerry: the data value is actually a URL, a fix that sam actually did, maybe that solves it?
21:24:25 <dmitrybrizhinev> dmitrybrizhinev: I will have a look to see if anything needs improvement
21:24:34 <dmitrybrizhinev> kerry: not sure if the problem still exists
21:25:06 <dmitrybrizhinev> kerry: one more thing - we did want to put in example of the client app UI - haven't be able to reach Duo
21:25:20 <dmitrybrizhinev> dmitrybrizhinev: I'll try and get in touch with him
21:25:36 <dmitrybrizhinev> kerry: there is a start but it needs a bit more
21:25:49 <dmitrybrizhinev> billroberts: working implementation would prove its usability
21:26:24 <dmitrybrizhinev> dmitrybrizhinev: we don't have a server for it though
21:26:41 <dmitrybrizhinev> kerry: probably not that important given that it's a note, so we don't *need* to get it running again
21:27:02 <dmitrybrizhinev> billroberts: better to write note as if client is not up, because even if we solve short term, it's not going to stay up
21:27:25 <dmitrybrizhinev> billroberts: sounds like a few things to get on with, then we will be ready for final review
21:27:43 <kerry> q+
21:27:50 <billroberts> ack k
21:28:19 <dmitrybrizhinev> kerry: sorry something else - SSN is changing enormously fast, and in fact the stuff we're using in the coverage note is changing or under consideration. This limits our ability to finalize untiul SSN is stable
21:28:34 <dmitrybrizhinev> kerry: It's not hard to fix when we do, but it's not worth fixing yet
21:30:16 <billroberts> Topic:QB4ST
21:30:22 <billroberts> regrets+ roba
21:30:38 <dmitrybrizhinev> billroberts: Agreed at f2f to publish an updated draft based on current status
21:31:26 <dmitrybrizhinev> billroberts: I agreed to make some example rdf data that uses the ontology
21:32:55 <dmitrybrizhinev> billroberts: maybe port some of the examples from covjson to qb4st
21:33:17 <dmitrybrizhinev> billroberts: will also have a look at EO-QB (which uses qb4st)
21:33:26 <dmitrybrizhinev> billroberts: There's not much more to do on this
21:33:45 <dmitrybrizhinev> Topic: Future calls
21:33:54 <dmitrybrizhinev> billroberts: what would be a good time for future calls?
21:34:27 <dmitrybrizhinev> kerry: a wednesday night (australian) like you were suggesting would be fine for me
21:35:03 <dmitrybrizhinev> billroberts: it's probably less important to accomodate the americans because only a couple of calls to do and all the participants are australian or UK
21:35:19 <dmitrybrizhinev> billroberts: could do early evening wednesday australian time
21:35:49 <dmitrybrizhinev> billroberts: 8am London, 5pm Sydney?
21:36:09 <dmitrybrizhinev> kerry: later is better
21:36:33 <dmitrybrizhinev> kerry: 11am, 8pm?
21:37:24 <dmitrybrizhinev> kerry: 9 is ideal
21:37:45 <dmitrybrizhinev> dmitrybrizhinev: I like 9
21:37:57 <dmitrybrizhinev> billroberts: let's do that then, noon London, 9pm Sydney
21:38:04 <dmitrybrizhinev> 11 UTC
21:38:10 <dmitrybrizhinev> billroberts: 11 UTC
21:38:38 <dmitrybrizhinev> dmitrybrizhinev: when is final deadline?
21:39:02 <dmitrybrizhinev> kerry: end of june. because it's a note we don't need candidate rec. would be nice to finish earlier. Let's go for end of may
21:40:54 <kerry> bye!
21:40:59 <dmitrybrizhinev> billroberts: another meeting in 2 weeks to keep up momentum
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21:41:28 <billroberts> regrets+ phila