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15:15:46 <ivan> Meeting: Publishing BG Telco
15:16:01 <ivan> Chair: Rick Johnson
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16:03:31 <dauwhe> Rick_Johnson: update on WG charter
16:03:41 <dauwhe> ... lots of activity in the last week, and the last hours
16:03:52 <dauwhe> ivan: yesterday evening, I thought we had no open issues on the charter
16:04:08 <dauwhe> ... I'd closed all the open isssues
16:04:15 <dauwhe> ... this morning I woke up to four new issues
16:04:26 <dauwhe> ... the issues came from the Chrome team
16:04:38 <dauwhe> ... none of them were awkward
16:04:49 <dauwhe> ... I took care of them, commenting on all of them
16:04:57 <dauwhe> ... at this moment we are down to one open issue
16:05:02 <dauwhe> ... and I have a proposal for that
16:05:21 <dauwhe> ... Joffrey, the guy from Chrome, has been helpful but there's a large time difference
16:05:59 <dauwhe> garth: Will this affect w3m review?
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16:06:16 <dauwhe> ivan: this is the Chrome review; I know that George has reached out to Apple
16:06:35 <dauwhe> ... the only thing I saw from that is that they're looking at if they can get resources for the WG
16:06:44 <dauwhe> ... so they may have no comments
16:06:56 <dauwhe> ... Mike Baker has forwarded charter to MS/Edge people
16:07:09 <dauwhe> ... as far as the process goes
16:07:17 <garth> s/Joffrey/Jeffery/
16:07:23 <dauwhe> ... I have submitted the request to approve charter to W3M
16:07:47 <dauwhe> ... I told them this morning there were some new issues; they'll decide how to react
16:07:57 <dauwhe> ... I suggested they accept the charter conditionally
16:08:09 <dauwhe> ... I hope by Wednesday, when W3M meets, there will be no open issues
16:08:20 <dauwhe> BillMcCoy: You'll be on that call?
16:08:41 <dauwhe> ... W3M asked some members for a pre-review of the charter which came back positive
16:08:52 <dauwhe> ivan: Ralph and Wendy did raise issues, which are now closed
16:09:03 <dauwhe> BillMcCoy: I'm hopeful that w3m will approve tomorrow
16:09:14 <dauwhe> ... you may know more about timeline
16:09:30 <dauwhe> ivan: if we get green light on wednesday, then it's up to me and Coralie
16:09:50 <dauwhe> ... the only problem is Good Friday is vacation day in France, as is Monday
16:10:02 <dauwhe> ... so it may be next week, but that's still in time for AC meeting
16:10:08 <dauwhe> Rick_Johnson: good news
16:10:09 <Rick_Johnson> q?
16:10:22 <dauwhe> ivan: we will open a bottle of champagne after the vote :)
16:10:39 <dauwhe> ... all people who are w3c members, TPI or not, you should get your vote in. That's important.
16:10:53 <dauwhe> ... we need a certain number of votes to approve the charter... 20 or so
16:11:05 <dauwhe> ... but having votes from all publishing-related members is important
16:11:22 <dauwhe> George: when we cast vote for charter, we also state we are committing human resources to the project
16:11:39 <dauwhe> Bill_Kasdorf: I have a quick question
16:11:59 <dauwhe> ... does committing resources include me (as a representative of BISG)?
16:12:05 <dauwhe> ... is it sufficient
16:12:05 <BillMcCoy> q+
16:12:15 <dauwhe> ivan: it's the AC rep of BISG that makes the commitment
16:12:25 <dauwhe> ... it just means this org will send a rep to the WG
16:12:32 <garth> q?
16:12:35 <garth> ack Bill
16:12:50 <dauwhe> BillMcCoy: the statement in the vote is that the organization "anticipates" sending resources; it's not a hard committment
16:12:53 <dauwhe> ivan: that's right
16:13:05 <dauwhe> BillMcCoy: it's not a sign on the dotted line thing
16:13:08 <dauwhe> Rick_Johnson: OK
16:13:23 <dauwhe> ... the rest of the agenda is action items or open items from our last meeting I want to run through
16:13:25 <ivan> Topic: action items
16:13:43 <dauwhe> garth: what about other reviews
16:13:53 <dauwhe> Rick_Johnson: Mike Baker sent something to Microsoft
16:14:14 <dauwhe> garth: We (Google) did raise some issues; but he's not our AC rep
16:14:25 <dauwhe> ... I have been in contact with Chris Wilson
16:14:45 <dauwhe> ... I don't have the official statement from Google that we're good, but I'm working on it
16:15:10 <dauwhe> George: what Ivan said is correct; we heard from them and they're looking at what resources they may have
16:15:25 <ivan> Topic: update on SC
16:15:28 <dauwhe> Rick_Johnson: agenda 2: update on elections and Hachette
16:15:40 <dauwhe> ... the group asked the Steering Committee about elections
16:15:53 <dauwhe> ... the recomendation was that we start the process at the F2F in November
16:16:08 <dauwhe> ... details to be worked out there
16:16:09 <ivan> zakim, who is here?
16:16:11 <Zakim> Present: RIck_Johnson, dauwhe, ivan, Avneesh, George, Wolfgang, (Schindler), mateus-teixeira, Bill, McCoy, Garth, Bill_Kasdorf, pbelfanti
16:16:11 <Zakim> On IRC I see rpug, graham, liisamk, garth, pbelfanti, Bill_Kasdorf, mteixeira, Rick_Johnson, BillMcCoy, Avneesh, Schindler, RRSAgent, Zakim, ivan, dauwhe
16:16:24 <dauwhe> ... because of Pierre's illness, there was talk of backfilling his seat
16:16:42 <dauwhe> George: I forwarded the recommendation that Luc fill that seat temporarily
16:16:46 <ivan> present+ Liisa, Cristina, Graham_Bell
16:16:49 <dauwhe> ... so we could invite Luc to the meetings
16:17:10 <dauwhe> Rick_Johnson: the wording from Hachette was that Luc would stand in until Pierre could come back, or the election
16:17:24 <dauwhe> ... Ivan and BillMcCoy, anything we need to do officially?
16:17:25 <ivan> present+ Leslie
16:17:56 <rpug> present+
16:17:59 <Rick_Johnson> q?
16:18:00 <dauwhe> ivan: the steering committee is not a w3c structure, so if the BG is OK with this, it's fine
16:18:12 <dauwhe> BillMcCoy: The charter of the BG discusses the Steering Committee, etc
16:18:28 <dauwhe> ... it does not discuss stand-in procedures, so the SC can sort it out
16:18:38 <dauwhe> ... but it seems reasonable to me
16:18:45 <dauwhe> ... we just need to record what happens
16:19:05 <dauwhe> Rick_Johnson: in the spirit of agenda item #4, we'll consider this a decision using the process
16:19:17 <dauwhe> .... Agenda item #3 and #4
16:19:25 <ivan> Topic: action items
16:19:35 <dauwhe> ... open issue on creating a github repo, and also identifying the decision process language
16:19:48 <dauwhe> ivan: the repo is finished; I announced that
16:20:01 <dauwhe> ... I put Bill Kasdorf's document there
16:20:06 <dauwhe> Rick_Johnson: Can you put that in IRC?
16:20:09 <dauwhe> ivan: I will do so
16:20:15 <dauwhe> ... the other thing, I thought I did that
16:20:30 <dauwhe> ... at the London F2F, I Put on IRC the reference to the charter
16:20:43 <dauwhe> Rick_Johnson: the action item I had was for the chair to send that out
16:20:50 <dauwhe> ivan: I'll put both references on IRC
16:21:09 <ivan> topic: IG transitions
16:21:12 <dauwhe> Rick_Johnson: Agenda #5, identification of transitional items from DPUB and where they should land
16:21:23 <dauwhe> ... anything you want to update us on?
16:21:32 <dauwhe> garth: we did have a discussion a few meetings ago
16:21:41 <dauwhe> ... things like CSS liason, a11y
16:21:47 <dauwhe> ... we have resolved those process-wise
16:21:53 <dauwhe> ... or have put them in the charter
16:22:05 <dauwhe> ... we didn't come up with any we forgot
16:22:10 <dauwhe> ... I think the charter covers all this now
16:22:22 <dauwhe> ivan: right
16:22:32 <dauwhe> garth: I don't think there are further updates
16:22:39 <dauwhe> ... yesterday we talked about Latinreq
16:22:47 <dauwhe> ... which is why we didn't let Dave scribe :)
16:23:04 <dauwhe> ... having real pagination support, etc--that's an activity that will go forward in the WG
16:23:15 <dauwhe> ... Dave does need additional resources, of course
16:23:26 <ivan> BG's github repository: https://github.com/w3c/pub-bg
16:23:29 <dauwhe> Rick_Johnson: you also have item #6, on the June F2F
16:23:58 <ivan> Decision procedure in the charter: https://w3c.github.io/dpubwg-charter/#decisions
16:24:01 <dauwhe> garth: it's looking likely that the first F2F for the PWG on June 22-23, hosted by Adobe in New York
16:24:12 <dauwhe> ... we would need the charter voted on 8 weeks ahead
16:24:24 <dauwhe> ... looks like we'll be OK on that
16:24:39 <dauwhe> ... the 2nd F2F would be at TPAC, Nov 6-10 in Burlingame, CA
16:24:52 <dauwhe> ... Rick, you were copied on that... there will be lots of publishing activity
16:25:08 <dauwhe> ... PBG meets MT, there's the BG meeting, there's the 2-day conference
16:25:26 <dauwhe> ... and the EPUB CG may meet for a couple of hours
16:25:31 <dauwhe> s/PBG/PWG/
16:25:48 <dauwhe> ... so we need to think about scheduling for all of this
16:25:57 <dauwhe> Rick_Johnson: details on the June F2F are TK
16:26:10 <dauwhe> garth: Leonard is out this week, but it's on my to-do list
16:26:14 <dauwhe> Rick_Johnson: where is adobe?
16:26:19 <dauwhe> garth: I don't remember :)
16:26:31 <dauwhe> George: regarding booking travel
16:26:41 <dauwhe> ... I know that BISG has been thinking about an a11y summit
16:26:46 <Rick_Johnson> q?
16:26:55 <dauwhe> ... on June 15, I was suggesting doing it on the 21st
16:27:03 <ivan> q+
16:27:06 <dauwhe> ... I don't know when I should book travel
16:27:12 <dauwhe> ... based on the 8-week rule
16:27:24 <graham> Adobe 1540 Broadway (thats near Times Square I think)
16:27:29 <dauwhe> garth: my line to the IG/WG is that it's "pretty darn likely"
16:28:01 <dauwhe> ivan: it's bad for our finances, but it's wise to wait until we see how the official charter vote goes
16:28:14 <dauwhe> ... there's a non-zero possibility that we get a formal objection
16:28:20 <dauwhe> ... there is a risk
16:28:33 <dauwhe> ... I haven't made a reservation yet
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16:28:44 <dauwhe> ... we should at least wait until the charter vote has gone out to the AC
16:29:01 <dauwhe> Rick_Johnson: the next two dominos are W3M meeting tomorrow, and confirmation from Leonard
16:29:09 <dauwhe> ivan: it's all our individual risk then
16:29:20 <dauwhe> Rick_Johnson: we will move on to item #7, epubtest.org
16:29:42 <dauwhe> Bill_Kasdorf: my assignment was to ping Brian
16:29:43 <garth> Yep — if that’s the correct Adobe building, it’s between 6th & 7th Aves and 45th & 46th st — Bertelsmann Building.  https://www.google.com/maps/place/Bertelsmann+Building,+149+W+45th+St,+New+York,+NY+10036/@40.7577806,-73.9867327,17z/data=!3m1!4b1!4m5!3m4!1s0x89c25855a02e56e3:0x6f4dd08961d9718b!8m2!3d40.757744!4d-73.9845181
16:29:53 <dauwhe> ... I haven't heard back from him yet
16:29:59 <dauwhe> ... I will continue to ping him
16:30:23 <dauwhe> ... I'm very intereted in input from Dave and the CG before planning that
16:30:28 <dauwhe> ... as they have a big stake in that
16:30:35 <dauwhe> Rick_Johnson: agreed. Thanks for owning that
16:30:39 <ivan> s/intereted/interested/
16:30:43 <dauwhe> ... next item is mine, on EDUPUB
16:30:53 <dauwhe> ... I'm in both IMS/W3C and IDPF
16:31:09 <dauwhe> ... I've made a proposal to the steering committee and to IMS board
16:31:29 <dauwhe> ... how do we integrate with 3.1, what to we have the CG do, etc.
16:31:41 <garth> q?
16:31:42 <dauwhe> ... I hope to share that after the Steering Committee meeting
16:31:47 <dauwhe> Rick_Johnson: any questions?
16:31:48 <garth> ack ivan
16:31:54 <ivan> q-
16:32:21 <dauwhe> Rick_Johnson: seeing no one in the queue, and having no items to discuss, we're done! See you in two weeks!
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16:32:38 <garth> LOL
16:32:52 <Rick_Johnson> thank you @dauwhe
16:33:25 <ivan> rrsagent, draft minutes
16:33:25 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2017/04/11-pbg-minutes.html ivan
16:47:45 <Schindler> q?