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18:36:38 <trackbot> Meeting: Accessible Rich Internet Applications Working Group Teleconference
18:36:38 <trackbot> Date: 11 April 2017
18:38:34 <clown> agenda: this
18:38:40 <clown> agenda+ (All) Level of detail in UIA mappings.
18:38:50 <clown> agenda+ (Joanie) AX API mapping issues and testing.
18:38:57 <clown> agenda+ PR-545 (ALL) Fix ATK/AT-SPI2 mapping for ARIA listitem role
18:39:04 <clown> agenda+ PR-548 (All) Update AXSubrole value for group role
18:39:10 <clown> agenda+ Triage accname actions: https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/products/26
18:39:17 <clown> agenda+ Triage core-aam bugzillas: https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/buglist.cgi?component=Core%20AAM&product=ARIA
18:39:24 <clown> agenda+ Triage accname-aam bugzillas: https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/buglist.cgi?component=AccName%20AAM&product=ARIA
18:39:30 <clown> agenda+ be done.
18:47:03 <clown> clown has changed the topic to:  https://mit.webex.com/mit/j.php?MTID=m111076a5138536589c06d9b5c35ffb51 Meeting Number: 641 707 405 Next Meeting 18-Apr-2017, 19:00 UTC (12:27:25 PM)
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19:06:25 <Rich> https://www.w3.org/wiki/ARIA_1.1_Testable_Statements#option_selected_value_changes
19:07:06 <joanie> present+ Joanmarie_Diggs
19:07:09 <joanie> scribe: joanie
19:07:20 <Rich> present+ Rich_Schwerdtfeger
19:07:26 <clown> present+ Joseph_Scheuhammer
19:07:28 <joanie> Zakim, next item
19:07:28 <Zakim> agendum 1. "(All) Level of detail in UIA mappings." taken up [from clown]
19:07:44 <joanie> JS: Just a quick update about level of detail in UIA mappings.
19:07:58 <joanie> JS: Last I heard, Bogdan is back in the office and sends his apologies.
19:08:10 <joanie> JS: He indicated he plans to resume this work soon.
19:09:03 <joanie> Zakim, next item
19:09:03 <Zakim> agendum 2. "(Joanie) AX API mapping issues and testing." taken up [from clown]
19:13:35 <joanie> JD: Nothing specific to report with respect to the three or so github issues.
19:13:39 <joanie> Zakim, next item
19:13:39 <Zakim> agendum 3. "PR-545 (ALL) Fix ATK/AT-SPI2 mapping for ARIA listitem role" taken up [from clown]
19:13:50 <joanie> JD: This is something that Joanie found last week.
19:14:02 <clown> https://github.com/w3c/aria/pull/548
19:14:25 <clown> https://github.com/w3c/aria/pull/545
19:14:37 <joanie> JS: Pull request 545 was opened by Joanie.
19:14:43 <joanie> JS: And has since been closed.
19:15:21 <joanie> JS: Joanie noticed that there was a statement about STATE_EDITABLE should not be exposed for list items.
19:15:39 <joanie> JS: She indicated that this statement was not necessarily accurate.
19:16:20 <joanie> JS: In HTML4, it was accurate; it no longer is due to contenteditable in HTML5.
19:18:01 <joanie> JS: So I suggested that we modify the statement to reflect that the editable state should not be applied unless contenteditable is true.
19:18:10 <clown> https://w3c.github.io/html-aam/#el-li
19:18:20 <joanie> RS: But we don't have a text role.
19:18:22 <clown> https://w3c.github.io/html-aam/#att-contenteditable
19:22:04 <joanie> JS: You don't need one. You can put contenteditable true on a list item.
19:23:24 <joanie> JS: And the links to what HTML AAM does with contenteditable are above.
19:23:54 <joanie> JD: My suggestion is that we just remove all the do-not-expose statements; I don't think we need to qualify each of them.
19:24:01 <joanie> JS: I like that idea.
19:24:20 <joanie> JS: So Joanie will either open a new issue, or at least a new pull request.
19:24:38 <joanie> JS: At least for the ATK mappings.
19:24:53 <joanie> JS: Or are you going to do all the platforms, Joanie?
19:26:10 <joanie> JD: My plan is to look at the docs for the other platforms.
19:26:27 <joanie> JD: If it's obvious (at least to me) what the change should be, I'll make it for the other platforms too.
19:26:37 <joanie> JD: Otherwise I will just do a pull request for ATK.
19:27:58 <joanie> JD: The reason I closed the pull request is that I opened a new pull request for spelling issues.
19:28:01 <clown> https://github.com/w3c/aria/pull/551
19:28:06 <joanie> JS: Are we talking about the above?
19:28:21 <joanie> JD: That's the one.
19:29:56 <joanie> JS: I'll review and pull it in by next week.
19:30:05 <joanie> Zakim, next item
19:30:05 <Zakim> agendum 4. "PR-548 (All) Update AXSubrole value for group role" taken up [from clown]
19:34:17 <joanie> Topic: Mapping of listbox
19:34:48 <joanie> RS: Why does it say, for listbox, "Methods IAccessible::accSelect() and IAccessible::get_accSelection()"?
19:34:59 <joanie> RS: Those methods are always there.
19:36:49 <joanie> JD: My interpretation is that it is an explicit notification to implementors that they need to implement that support, rather than let the default implementation kick in.
19:37:11 <joanie> JS: I can add "implement" to that item, and the other roles with that statement.
19:37:18 <joanie> Zakim, take up item 4
19:37:18 <Zakim> agendum 4. "PR-548 (All) Update AXSubrole value for group role" taken up [from clown]
19:37:30 <clown> https://github.com/w3c/aria/pull/548
19:38:18 <joanie> JS: Joanie found that Apple has recently modified their mapping for the group role.
19:38:59 <joanie> JS: They now have a subrole for group role.
19:39:10 <joanie> JS: Is this a 1.1 thing?
19:39:22 <joanie> JD: I suppose so as they only just now added it.
19:40:14 <joanie> JS: Can you mark it with an "ARIA 1.1"?
19:43:13 <joanie> JD: Sure. Can you comment as part of your review that I need to do that along with add a ChangeLog entry?
19:43:17 <joanie> JS: Yes.
19:43:21 <joanie> Zakim, next item
19:43:21 <Zakim> agendum 5. "Triage accname actions: https://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/products/26" taken up
19:43:42 <clown> https://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/issues/1021
19:43:55 <joanie> JS: Rich, you raised an issue.
19:44:08 <joanie> JS: You noticed that where you expose the name is all over the map, so to speak.
19:44:23 <joanie> JS: Joanie has said something similar.
19:45:10 <joanie> JS: (Reads from the comments in issue 1021)
19:45:11 <clown> "If aria-labelledby references a single element, expose the labeling relationship as element AXTitleUIElement."
19:45:27 <clown> "If aria-labelledby references multiple elements, … expose value as string AXDescription."
19:45:27 <clown> "
19:46:49 <clown> The above is in the UAIG 1.0 Rec
19:47:04 <joanie> JS: So what do we do with this issue?
19:47:47 <joanie> JS + RS: Some of this is left over from 1.0.
19:47:56 <joanie> JS: But you raised it in 2016.
19:48:08 <joanie> JS: It had to do with testable statements for SVG.
19:48:10 <clown> https://www.w3.org/wiki/SVG_Accessibility/Testing/Test_Assertions_with_Tables#Simple_name_testable_statements
19:50:41 <clown> https://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/master/core-aam/core-aam.html#ariaLabelledBy
19:53:17 <joanie> JD: I think what we should do is raise an issue in github and assign it to James Craig.
19:53:51 <joanie> JD: Because what is implemented in Safari does not 100% reflect what is stated in the spec regarding AXTitleUIElement.
19:54:11 <joanie> JD: And all I could do is try to derive a more accurate statement from Layout Tests.
19:54:25 <joanie> JD: So getting a statement from Apple seems like the way to go.
19:54:34 <clown> issue-570?
19:54:34 <trackbot> Sorry, but issue-570 does not exist.
19:54:41 <clown> issue-750?
19:54:41 <trackbot> issue-750 -- Step 2.F.iii.c Define when to append with and without a space -- pending review
19:54:41 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/issues/750
19:55:13 <joanie> JS: Cynthia had concerns about lack of clarity regarding when a space should be appended.
19:55:21 <clown> https://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/master/accname-aam/accname-aam.html#step2F
19:55:23 <joanie> JS: So I added some text to address this.
19:55:33 <joanie> JS: But there's still a problem.
19:55:41 <joanie> JS: I think we even saw this last week.
20:00:23 <joanie> JS: (Reads from the Editor's note)
20:00:58 <joanie> JD: Are we sure that the "topmost" case referenced in the note is fully addressed?
20:01:14 <clown> action:  joanie to create test table markup to check append-with-space vs. append-without-a-space re: step 2F.iii.c
20:01:17 <joanie> JD: I have seen some ugly results with Gecko table rows.
20:01:19 <trackbot> Created ACTION-2136 - Create test table markup to check append-with-space vs. append-without-a-space re: step 2f.iii.c [on Joanmarie Diggs - due 2017-04-18].
20:01:24 <clown> action-2136
20:01:24 <trackbot> action-2136 -- Joanmarie Diggs to Create test table markup to check append-with-space vs. append-without-a-space re: step 2f.iii.c -- due 2017-04-18 -- OPEN
20:01:24 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/actions/2136
20:01:24 <joanie> JS: Can you provide me some markup?
20:01:35 <joanie> JD: Can you provide me with an issue? :)
20:01:52 <joanie> JS: Will do so in tracker (action-2136).
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