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14:13:09 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be
14:13:09 <trackbot> Meeting: Low Vision Accessibility Task Force Teleconference
14:13:09 <trackbot> Date: 23 March 2017
14:13:09 <Zakim> I don't understand 'this will be', trackbot
14:13:18 <allanj> Chair: Jim
14:13:26 <allanj> agenda?
14:13:41 <allanj> zakim, clear agenda
14:13:41 <Zakim> agenda cleared
14:15:07 <allanj> Agenda+ Update from SC managers
14:15:09 <allanj> Agenda+ Adapting Text
14:15:10 <allanj> Agenda+ User Interface Contrast - what is minimal requirement for form element boundaries.
14:15:12 <allanj> Agenda+ COGA Personalization / Json
14:15:13 <allanj> Agenda+ Techniques
14:15:45 <allanj> rrsagent, make minutes
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14:46:20 <shawn> regrets+ Shawn
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15:00:56 <erich> Scribe: erich
15:01:29 <erich> zakim, who is on the call?
15:01:29 <Zakim> Present: JohnRochford, Glenda, Jim, Stephen, steverep
15:02:13 <erich> present+ Marla
15:02:27 <laura> present+ Laura
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15:03:13 <JohnRochford> present+ JohnRochford
15:03:32 <allanj> present -Stephen, steverep
15:03:45 <allanj> zakim, who is here?
15:03:45 <Zakim> Present: JohnRochford, Glenda, Jim, Stephen, steverep, Marla, Laura
15:03:48 <Zakim> On IRC I see JohnRochford, Marla, erich, ScottM, laura, RRSAgent, shawn, allanj, Zakim, trackbot
15:04:37 <allanj> present- Stephen, steverep
15:05:01 <allanj> present- Glenda
15:05:13 <allanj> zakim, who is here?
15:05:13 <Zakim> Present: JohnRochford, Jim, Marla, Laura
15:05:15 <Zakim> On IRC I see JohnRochford, Marla, erich, ScottM, laura, RRSAgent, shawn, allanj, Zakim, trackbot
15:05:32 <allanj> present+ Erich
15:06:55 <erich> JA: Today's call will adjourn @ 30min to join Adapting Text call
15:07:26 <allanj> Topic: Adapting Text
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15:09:27 <laura> https://github.com/w3c/wcag21/issues/78#issuecomment-288431441
15:09:33 <erich> LC: On Tues call, AWK did a rewrite and people seemed to like it
15:10:12 <laura> Adapting text was discussed on tuesday's WCAG call. There was a strong desire to drop the hard metrics for font family and color.
15:10:23 <laura> I don't know how we will be able to test it without values but Wayne said it is doable is working on a solution.
15:10:28 <erich> LC: We still don't have consensus, still trying to get it
15:10:32 <laura> Andrew did a rewrite and people seemed to like it. I personally do not want the “mechanism” language as it inevitably leads to the exhausting widget discussion.
15:10:43 <erich> Erich: Jim can you hear us?
15:10:44 <laura> Since then I tweaked Andrew's rewrite a bit and posted it on GitHub.
15:10:45 <laura> https://github.com/w3c/wcag21/issues/78#issuecomment-288431441
15:10:50 <laura> We have about a dozen comments since then.
15:11:12 <erich> Jim - are you hearing us?
15:11:15 <ScottM> maybe the webex is having issues today
15:13:34 <laura> yes we have come full circle.
15:13:48 <erich> JA: Some of the comments we've been getting are about it being a user agent issue, and I think that's not true
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15:14:05 <erich> JR: Not exclusively (a user agent issue)
15:15:14 <erich> JA: If we change a font, some of our icon fonts disappear
15:15:42 <erich> JA: That's poor stylesheet writing
15:15:52 <erich> LC: Icon fonts disappear too
15:16:28 <allanj> Icon fonts that disappear.
15:16:30 <allanj> graphical backgrounds (single colour or gradients rather than pictures) that make text unreadable if you reverse the colour scheme.
15:16:31 <allanj> menus so tightly packed they collapse or overlap with a slight adjustment of line height/spacing.
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15:19:09 <erich> MR: If there is nothing intentional that would break it, is that what we're saying?
15:19:22 <erich> LC: It is the same type of concept
15:19:33 <erich> LC: Then we got in to the mechanism concept
15:19:53 <erich> MR: So it's about the testability
15:20:23 <erich> JA: If we test using the metrics we originally had, it should be easy to tell
15:20:53 <erich> JA: One caution on the user interface bit, most of the focus rings on default by browser fail contrast
15:21:33 <ScottM> what is the password for the AG call?
15:21:43 <laura> rrsagent, make minutes
15:21:43 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2017/03/23-lvtf-minutes.html laura
15:22:07 <ScottM> other details are in the list
15:22:42 <alastairc> Webex URL for AG call in 8 min: https://mit.webex.com/mit/j.php?MTID=md222811081e24ba7da9d428c5b5516e3
15:22:48 <laura> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-low-vision-a11y-tf/2017Mar/0032.html
15:24:38 <allanj> topic: user interface controls contrast
15:25:20 <Glenda> What do y’all think of these failure ttp://www.glendathegood.com/a11y/lvtf/submitbuttonbordernota11y.html
15:25:34 <allanj> htttp://www.glendathegood.com/a11y/lvtf/submitbuttonbordernota11y.html
15:26:01 <alastairc> Too many Ts, http://www.glendathegood.com/a11y/lvtf/submitbuttonbordernota11y.html
15:29:18 <laura> 1 minute to the AG call.
15:29:37 <allanj> discussing the Failure examples.
15:30:02 <alastairc> Interesting, that indicates that 3:1 might be ok for borders.
15:31:08 <allanj> JohnR - has trouble with bottom blue, but the gray 3 pixel was better.
15:31:22 <alastairc> jump to AG meeting?
15:31:52 <erich> rrsagent, make minutes
15:31:52 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2017/03/23-lvtf-minutes.html erich
15:34:01 <ScottM> are we staying in our chatroom?
15:34:33 <alastairc> I think most people's IRC will keep this open whilst it is on, but most people will be in the #ag room.