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16:32:50 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be
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16:32:51 <trackbot> Meeting: Accessible Rich Internet Applications Working Group Teleconference
16:32:51 <trackbot> Date: 23 March 2017
16:33:00 <joanie> chair: Joanmarie_Diggs
16:33:00 <joanie> RRSAgent, make log public
16:33:02 <joanie> agenda?
16:33:13 <joanie> agenda+ Proposal: COGA Semantics to Enable Personalization
16:33:13 <joanie> agenda+ Testable statements - Progress update
16:33:13 <joanie> agenda+ ATTA - Progress update
16:33:14 <joanie> agenda+ Getting started on manual testing (mainly for Windows)
16:33:24 <joanie> agenda?
16:33:34 <joanie> agenda: be done
16:33:53 <joanie> regrets: Jon_Gunderson
16:41:38 <joanie> regrets+ Bryan_Garaventa
16:57:19 <joanie> present+ Joanmarie_Diggs
16:59:28 <janina> present+
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17:02:45 <janina> zakim, who's here?
17:02:45 <Zakim> Present: Joanmarie_Diggs, janina
17:02:47 <Zakim> On IRC I see jamesn, Stefan, Irfan, JasonDuan, Zakim, RRSAgent, joanie, janina, trackbot, yatil, MichielBijl, slightlyoff, timeless, AmeliaBR, JonathanNeal_, Josh_Soref, ShaneM
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17:03:40 <jamesn> https://github.com/w3c/aria/issues/538
17:03:49 <jamesn> accname-aam need to clarify aria-owns in Step 2F
17:04:19 <joanie> agenda+ accname-aam need to clarify aria-owns in Step 2F (github issue 538)
17:04:19 <jamesn> scribe: jamesn
17:04:38 <jamesn> present+ JamesNurthen
17:04:41 <Stefan> present+
17:05:03 <jamesn> agenda?
17:05:05 <clown> present+ Joseph_Scheuhammer
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17:05:34 <joanie> agenda order 1, 5, 2, 3, 4
17:05:39 <jamesn> agenda?
17:05:39 <joanie> agenda?
17:05:50 <jamesn> zakim, next item
17:05:50 <Zakim> agendum 1. "Proposal: COGA Semantics to Enable Personalization" taken up [from joanie]
17:06:24 <jamesn> JD: the coga group has asked to consider semantics to enable personalization and moving to FPWD
17:06:53 <jamesn> RS: this is FPWD of the doc. Needs a lot more editorial work. Want to show progress on the personalizations for WCAG
17:06:59 <joanie> bleeding edge copy: https://rawgit.com/w3c/personalization-semantics/master/semantics.html
17:07:00 <jamesn> would like to see it move
17:07:11 <jamesn> RS: would like to get some feedback
17:07:16 <joanie> official copy: https://w3c.github.io/personalization-semantics/
17:07:35 <jamesn> RS: coga team has been working on it for a while
17:07:41 <jamesn> JD: want to make a point of clarification
17:08:22 <jamesn> when did the agenda the official copy https://w3c.github.io/personalization-semantics/ is not quite up to date with the bleeding edge copy - but would be by today but hasn't updated yet
17:08:34 <jamesn> should check bleeding edge copy b4 raising issues
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17:10:57 <jamesn> zakim, next item
17:10:57 <Zakim> agendum 5. "accname-aam need to clarify aria-owns in Step 2F (github issue 538)" taken up [from joanie]
17:11:48 <clown> https://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/master/accname-aam/accname-aam.html#step2F
17:12:07 <clown> https://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/master/accname-aam/accname-aam.html#step2F.iii
17:12:14 <jamesn> what does For each child node of the current node: mean
17:12:34 <jamesn> does is mean child nodes in the DOM or child owned nodes
17:13:36 <jamesn> needs clarifying so we have consistent implementations
17:13:50 <joanie> q+ To ask if they thought it was a bug because the lack of explicitness, or because that's how they think it should be?
17:15:12 <joanie> ack me
17:15:12 <Zakim> joanie, you wanted to ask if they thought it was a bug because the lack of explicitness, or because that's how they think it should be?
17:16:34 <jamesn> https://codereview.chromium.org/1477043003
17:17:13 <joanie> https://bugs.chromium.org/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=561766
17:17:13 <clown> https://bugs.chromium.org/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=561766
17:17:58 <jamesn> clown: FF only considers DOM children
17:18:07 <jamesn> RS: how do they concatenate
17:18:34 <jamesn> JD: b4 we go down ugly paths we ask Dominic why they did this
17:18:48 <jamesn> JD: will follow up
17:19:35 <jamesn> zakim, nect item
17:19:35 <Zakim> I don't understand 'nect item', jamesn
17:19:35 <jamesn> zakim, next item
17:19:36 <Zakim> agendum 2. "Testable statements - Progress update" taken up [from joanie]
17:19:52 <jamesn> RS: trying to get these things knocked off
17:20:10 <clown> https://www.w3.org/wiki/ARIA_1.1_Testable_Statements
17:21:14 <jamesn> RS: APG doesn't matter - need to have more people doing the work
17:21:39 <jamesn> we are late and need more help
17:21:52 <jamesn> 1.2 isn't going to happen until we get these things knocked off
17:23:22 <jamesn> Stefan: going to do some work on it tomorrow
17:31:16 <jamesn> zakim, next item
17:31:16 <Zakim> agendum 3. "ATTA - Progress update" taken up [from joanie]
17:31:39 <jamesn> JD: Jon sent regrets - but making progress
17:32:11 <jamesn> conclusion we reached was that it would make more sense to do the accessibility stuff from the ????
17:32:21 <jamesn> the ATK one continues to be done
17:32:39 <jamesn> making good progress on the mac one - using to test chrome canary and safari
17:32:58 <jamesn> finding discrepancies with the core aam - sometimes finding the core aam that is wrong
17:33:02 <joanie> https://github.com/w3c/aria/issues/539
17:33:44 <jamesn> functionaly it is a popup button and that is exposed but that is not what is in the core aam
17:34:27 <jamesn> would suck if put it into CR and find the core aam ha issues. should be what is correct
17:34:34 <clown> +1
17:35:25 <jamesn> JD: if you put pressed and haspopup on a button - aria-pressed trumps haspopup
17:35:35 <jamesn> clown: on every platform>?
17:35:40 <jamesn> JD: laughs
17:36:03 <jamesn> not all platforms have popup buttons
17:37:04 <jamesn> JD: not done with everything but making strong progress
17:37:47 <jamesn> zakim, next item
17:37:47 <Zakim> agendum 4. "Getting started on manual testing (mainly for Windows)" taken up [from joanie]
17:38:36 <jamesn> RS: UIA? that is the place we don't have a harness
17:38:57 <jamesn> RS: no headcount to do the testing - can ask MSFT for manual testers
17:39:08 <jamesn> JD: I think i have an email about that
17:39:19 <jamesn> JD: question is when are we ready to begin the testing
17:39:46 <jamesn> RS: would be good at some point to go through and find out where the test harness doesn't meet with the ????
17:40:15 <jamesn> having some issues with the UIA mappings - particularly when go through the test harness
17:40:24 <jamesn> no range control pattern anywhere in UIA
17:40:30 <joanie> s/????/ATTAs/
17:40:59 <jamesn> RS: looked over the control patterns and didnt exist
17:41:15 <jamesn> uia also has current and cached - which should we be testing with
17:41:27 <jamesn> RS: if looking at the 1st time have lots of questions
17:42:05 <jamesn> rrsagent, make minutes
17:42:05 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2017/03/23-aria-minutes.html jamesn
17:43:00 <jamesn> zakim, please part
17:43:00 <Zakim> leaving.  As of this point the attendees have been Joanmarie_Diggs, janina, JamesNurthen, Stefan, Joseph_Scheuhammer, Rich_Schwerdtfeger
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17:43:03 <jamesn> rrsagent, make minutes
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