12:01:16 RRSAgent has joined #wot 12:01:16 logging to http://www.w3.org/2017/03/15-wot-irc 12:01:51 dape has joined #wot 12:02:14 yamada has joined #wot 12:02:25 kaz has joined #wot 12:02:32 kaz_ has joined #wot 12:02:53 kaz has joined #wot 12:02:59 kaz_ has joined #wot 12:03:05 naka has joined #wot 12:04:20 ktoumura has joined #wot 12:04:25 kaz has joined #wot 12:04:48 Meeting: WoT IG/WG 12:05:36 present+ Kaz_Ashimura, Daniel_Peintner, Kunihiko_Toumura, Matthias_Kovatsch, Michael_Koster, Niklas_Widell, Takeshi_Yamada, Taki_Kamiya 12:06:40 Agenda: https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/Main_WoT_WebConf#Agenda 12:07:16 DarkoAnicic has joined #wot 12:07:33 present+ Darko_Anicic 12:07:38 mjkoster has joined #wot 12:07:44 present+ Masato_Ohura 12:08:01 scribe: Daniel 12:08:02 scribe: dape 12:08:05 scribenick: dape 12:08:30 MK: Any update on Agenda? 12:08:39 ... habe been travelling recently 12:08:54 s/habe/have 12:09:20 MK: Upcoming F2F is one topic 12:09:25 -> https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/F2F_meeting,_May_2017,_Osaka,_Japan F2F wiki 12:09:34 -> https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/1/WoTF2F201705/ Registration 12:09:42 masato has joined #wot 12:09:55 -> https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/1/WoTF2F201705/results registration results so far 12:10:00 ... recommend registering earlier than last time 12:10:01 yingying has joined #wot 12:10:37 https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/Main_WoT_WebConf#15_Mar_2017 12:10:46 q+ 12:11:26 Kaz: japanese companies are interested in joining open day events 12:11:35 ... interest in plugfest as well 12:11:37 https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/F2F_meeting,_May_2017,_Osaka,_Japan 12:11:38 present+ 12:11:58 MK: Suggest adding information on F2F wiki 12:12:18 Kaz: Okay 12:12:29 q+ 12:12:46 [ done :) ] 12:12:52 q- 12:13:07 ack naka 12:13:17 present+ Katsuyoshi_Naka 12:13:27 Naka: for next F2F meeting... please register as soon as possible 12:13:31 present+ Kazuaki_Nimura 12:13:44 q+ 12:13:48 .... are currently organizing dinner... would need number of people soon 12:14:28 MK: Sebastian & Johannes are still on vacation.. will ping them as soon as they are back 12:15:03 https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/1/WoTF2F201705/ 12:15:29 ... last meetings it was just in time before meeting.. 12:15:38 ...suggest we do better this time 12:16:03 q? 12:16:10 ack mkovatsc 12:16:12 q- 12:16:33 https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/F2F_meeting,_May_2017,_Osaka,_Japan#Input 12:16:46 MK: One more reminder... input section for F2F is also still pretty empty 12:18:13 rrsagent, make log public 12:18:16 MK: OCP liason has meeting next week.. will join ... will not be able to join WoT call 12:18:17 rrsagent, draft minutes 12:18:17 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2017/03/15-wot-minutes.html kaz 12:18:28 ... will give presentation about WoT 12:18:37 ... need to find common strategy 12:19:02 ... joined plugfest could be also of interest 12:19:09 ryuichi has joined #wot 12:19:28 i/Any update on/topic: Osaka F2F/ 12:19:30 rrsagent, draft minutes 12:19:30 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2017/03/15-wot-minutes.html kaz 12:19:34 Topic: working group report 12:19:58 TK: TD telecon time has been settled 12:20:08 ..will start this week or next week (Friday) 12:20:21 ... this week is not sure yet 12:21:02 https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/WG_WoT_Thing_Description_WebConf 12:21:03 MK: Can you update wiki page 12:21:15 Kaz: Did update wiki.. should be correct.. 12:21:54 ... Fridays at 3:30am EDT / 0:30am PDT / 8:30am CET / 4:30pm JST 12:22:15 MK: Not sure about daylight saving time 12:22:48 -> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-wot-wg/2017Mar/0031.html New TD slot 12:22:59 s/slot/slot (Member-only)/ 12:23:13 MK: Please check wiki page for the exact time.. (will change due to summer time) 12:23:29 MK: For Scripting no one on the call 12:23:47 Kaz: Updated all task force wikis 12:24:12 ... will update again before 27th... to keep up with the exact times 12:24:20 +q 12:24:22 MK: Darko, any news on Semantics? 12:24:38 Darko: we had first kick off meeting 12:24:45 ... 1. Charter review (by Dave) 12:25:07 ... 2. I gaive presentation on scope (can be found on wiki) 12:25:22 ... please raise issues in github 12:25:32 ... will have meeting this friday 12:25:41 ... will consolidate issues w.r.t. to charter 12:26:01 -> https://www.w3.org/2017/03/03-wot-minutes.html LD minutes 12:26:08 ... this week 3 pm CET (usually at 4 pm CET) 12:26:33 ... would like to also invite more participants 12:26:41 .. check wiki for scope/plans 12:26:58 ... in direction to extending TD ontology 12:27:02 i|this week|-> https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/IG_Linked_Data_and_Semantic_Processing_WebConf LD TF wiki| 12:27:14 ... also w.r.t. OCF work 12:27:42 ... plan to work on more expand semantics 12:28:05 TK: Matsukura-san asked me to report synchronization task force 12:28:20 ... first telecon will be kicked-of beginning in April 12:28:32 ... telecon time will likely be Tuesday 12:28:32 s/kicked-of/kicked-off/ 12:29:06 MK: Last Thursday/Friday I attended T2T meeting 12:29:23 .. Michael McCool also attended with OCF 12:29:39 ... Security became more important 12:29:49 ... Thorsten from Google 12:30:00 ... Rick from Cisco 12:30:29 s/Rick/Rich/ 12:30:40 ... Both are involved in the MUD work (manufacturer usage description) 12:31:00 ... kind of manifest file 12:31:15 ... similar to Android App permissions 12:31:35 ... proposal so far is just about what the manufacturer intends to do 12:31:47 ... see overlap with thing description 12:32:03 ... could also include client role (currently more server oriented) 12:32:40 ... they also try to fix existing issues (DynDNS) 12:32:54 ... yang model can be plugged in 12:33:17 .. third person was Francesca from Ericsson 12:33:44 ... proxies in the middle are possible (payload is still secured) 12:34:44 ... I would like to involve security persons in WoT ... (reviewer role) 12:35:54 Koster: Jim XXX also made a lot of comments 12:37:26 Jim Schaade 12:37:41 s/Jim XXX/Jim Schaade 12:37:47 Thorsten Dahm, Google and Steven Rich, Cisco 12:37:54 s/Jim Schaade/Jim Schaad 12:38:20 Schaad 12:38:32 MK: Friday joined session with OCF 12:38:44 .. rely more with what is out there 12:38:58 ... doing so helps liason 12:39:15 .. OCF makes use of IETF specification also 12:39:36 MK: also interested in WebForms 12:40:00 ... and how to apply this to machines 12:40:22 ... in TD we have similar concept (input vs output etc) 12:40:44 .. planned to lay out Web forms with initial draft in IETF 12:41:06 Koster: actions as resource types 12:41:13 ... static part 12:41:15 present+ Keiichi_Tokuyama 12:41:20 ... dynamic part 12:41:42 ... add functionality that can be inspected 12:42:34 ... I am writing that up currently.. will try to share soon 12:43:09 MK: in line with T2T forms (can be annotated) 12:43:46 Koster: HSML update is available also (for review) 12:44:07 MK: Could be good input for HATEOS task force 12:44:39 ... there will be HATEOS task force to improve actions and error handling 12:45:03 ... will add information to next F2F input section 12:45:57 q? 12:46:04 ack taki 12:46:21 MK: any update on technical work 12:46:32 ... communication task force? 12:47:11 YY: last week I talked about 2 topics 12:47:27 ... 1. press release (no response yet from Karen) 12:47:50 s/from Karen/from Karen; will follow-up/ 12:47:59 ... 2. participation of the WG (outreach) 12:48:10 ... are looking for more people 12:48:10 s/of the/in the/ 12:48:30 tokuyama has joined #wot 12:49:04 MK: Need to figure out why IG people don't join WG 12:49:26 YY: Kaz prepared table for outreach 12:49:50 ... responsible person for each company 12:50:05 https://www.w3.org/2016/07/WoT-outreach.html 12:50:18 MK: Correct... also bi-literal contacts 12:50:49 ahaller2 has joined #wot 12:51:10 ... need to update the list (https://www.w3.org/2016/07/WoT-outreach.html) 12:51:27 ... add/select contact person 12:52:13 q? 12:52:17 YY: will do that 12:52:36 MK: YY, you mentioned press release 12:52:53 ... which press release is it exactly 12:53:16 https://www.w3.org/2017/02/wot-f2f/slides/2017_F2F-Next.pdf 12:53:32 YY: For our first public working draft... timeline says this will happen in April 12:54:04 zkis has joined #wot 12:54:45 MK: we expect first public working draft after Düsseldorf F2F (in July) 12:54:54 YY: Thanks. No hurry 12:55:09 MK: In July it will be about Architecture 12:55:11 q+ 12:55:14 q? 12:55:34 ... others are scheduled after March 2018 12:55:59 Kaz: 2 points 12:56:18 ... 1. would be nice to have roadmap on wiki 12:56:49 ... 2. talked about WG deliverables. I am wondering about IG deliverables 12:57:04 https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/Roadmap 12:57:17 MK: Correct, planned to publish CP 12:58:19 ... finalized several documents.. lost a bit track what has been published 12:58:26 s/Roadmap/Roadmap old roadmap/ 12:59:14 DP: suggest having a section in wiki with link to published version and link to editors draft 12:59:47 MK: In wiki we have links... remember styling issues but somehow that work got stucked 13:00:03 ... Kaz, can you check what has been released 13:00:39 Kaz: original plan was to publish 3 documents 13:00:52 ... this failed 13:01:05 ... can publish as IG note 13:01:39 MK: Need to take care.. not confusing people with WG deliverables 13:02:09 s/not confusing/regarding architecture, not confuse/ 13:02:12 q? 13:02:17 ack kaz 13:02:33 Kaz: will check (tech landscape, use case and CP) 13:03:18 MK: One more "outreach" topic 13:03:25 ... roadmap more accessible 13:03:31 yongjing has joined #wot 13:03:56 ... on co-chairs list Dave started thread on cleaner landing pages 13:04:20 ... we do have to many pages anyhow 13:04:37 ... propose having cleaner and more concise landing page 13:04:57 https://www.w3.org/WoT/ 13:05:28 ... need someone updating the content 13:06:27 DP: might also harmonize styles 13:08:34 MK: send out proposal to staff list... this morning 13:09:05 ... get rid of things that get out-dated very quickly 13:09:29 MK: Styles should be harmonized also 13:11:39 ... will discuss it in co-chair call 13:11:43 q? 13:11:45 q? 13:12:03 MK: input for next meeting. 13:12:08 kajimoto has joined #wot 13:12:10 ... any presentation? 13:12:39 present+ Michael_McCool 13:12:40 MC: w.r.t landing page.. need to find volunteer 13:13:07 ... "massage" it towards simplicity 13:13:16 ... simple and concise 13:13:47 present+ Feng_Zhang 13:14:55 MK: Who can moderate next call? 13:15:06 present+ Yongjing_Zhang 13:15:20 present+ Kazuo_Kajimoto 13:15:57 MC: Need security people /talks for Osaka ... 13:17:29 MK: I will be at the OPC foundation meeting 13:17:47 -> https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/Main_WoT_WebConf main call wiki 13:17:48 MC: can moderate the call 13:17:57 Kaz: still one hour ealier 13:18:36 [ adjourned ] 13:18:47 rrsagent, draft minutes 13:18:47 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2017/03/15-wot-minutes.html kaz 13:21:38 ahaller2 has joined #wot 15:24:19 dsr has joined #wot 15:25:24 Zakim has left #wot 15:35:10 ahaller2 has joined #wot