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13:54:45 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be
13:54:45 <Zakim> I don't understand 'this will be', trackbot
13:54:46 <trackbot> Meeting: Accessibility Conformance Testing Teleconference
13:54:47 <trackbot> Date: 15 March 2017
13:55:59 <Wilco> agenda?
13:56:15 <Wilco> agenda+ Develop list to advertise ACT Framework FPWD
13:56:24 <Wilco> agenda+ Early comments received from AG WG on the ACT Framework Survey https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/93339/ACTFrameworkFPWD/results
13:56:33 <Wilco> agenda+ Test case repository discussion
13:56:42 <Wilco> agenda+ Rule repository discussion
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14:03:24 <shadi> present+
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14:07:53 <shadi> scribe: shadi
14:07:54 <Wilco> present+
14:08:06 <MoeKraft> present+ MoeKraft
14:09:49 <shadi> zakim, take up next
14:09:49 <Zakim> agendum 1. "Develop list to advertise ACT Framework FPWD" taken up [from Wilco]
14:10:02 <Charu> present+ Charu
14:10:23 <shadi> WF: preparing for FPWD, and want to announce broadly to get feedback
14:11:05 <shadi> SAZ: WAI announcements sent to WAI IG
14:11:17 <shadi> ...are there other lists like on QA?
14:13:25 <shadi> ...maybe people are involved in QA beyond a11y?
14:13:37 <shadi> ...not sure how active OpenAjax Alliance is?
14:14:43 <shadi> WF: will set up a wiki page with the lists and who will forward announcement to these lists
14:16:17 <shadi> MK: another automation group
14:16:29 <Wilco> https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/task-forces/conformance-testing/wiki/List_of_related_groups
14:17:57 <shadi> public-test-infra@w3.org
14:18:09 <MoeKraft> https://spec-ops.github.io/atta-api/
14:21:23 <shadi> zakim, take up next
14:21:23 <Zakim> agendum 2. "Early comments received from AG WG on the ACT Framework Survey https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/93339/ACTFrameworkFPWD/results" taken up [from Wilco]
14:22:24 <shadi> WF: comment on relying too much on CSS selectors
14:23:30 <Wilco> https://w3c.github.io/wcag-act/act-framework.html#test-proc-selector
14:23:31 <shadi> SAZ: maybe people not finding test cases
14:28:07 <shadi> CP: seems specific to CSS Selectors
14:28:48 <shadi> WF: not explicitly saying we can use different syntax, although example shows that
14:29:05 <shadi> ...maybe can make sentence explicit
14:29:50 <shadi> SAZ: maybe also add a second example with a different type of selector?
14:30:39 <shadi> WF: could do
14:33:08 <shadi> WF: next comment on wording
14:33:20 <Wilco> "This framework is intended to provide a central point where accessibility experts can agree on how accessibility requirements should be tested so as to avoid conflicting results of accessibility tests. It is intended for both manual accessibility tests as well as for automated testing done through accessibility test tools (ATTs)."
14:33:59 <shadi> CP: like approach
14:39:31 <MoeKraft> This framework is intended to provide a consistent interpretation of how to test for accessibility requirements so as to avoid conflicting results of accessibility tests. It is intended for both manual accessibility tests as well as for automated testing done through accessibility test tools (ATTs).
14:39:55 <shadi> +1
14:40:06 <Wilco> +1
14:40:44 <Charu> +1
14:40:58 <shadi> WF: wonder if name is throwing people off?
14:41:16 <shadi> ...are created expectations that we can't meet?
14:41:22 <shadi> SAZ: loaded word
14:45:19 <shadi> WF: can we make changes?
14:45:25 <shadi> SAZ: better not during review
14:45:39 <shadi> ...but make pull requests and get back to the commenters
14:45:49 <shadi> MK: will add pull request
14:45:55 <shadi> zakim, take up next
14:45:55 <Zakim> agendum 3. "Test case repository discussion" taken up [from Wilco]
14:46:44 <shadi> WF: missing Alistair for this
14:46:49 <shadi> zakim, close agendum 3
14:46:49 <Zakim> agendum 3, Test case repository discussion, closed
14:46:50 <Zakim> I see 1 item remaining on the agenda:
14:46:50 <Zakim> 4. Rule repository discussion [from Wilco]
14:46:52 <shadi> zakim, take up next
14:46:52 <Zakim> agendum 4. "Rule repository discussion" taken up [from Wilco]
14:47:54 <Wilco> https://auto-wcag.github.io/auto-wcag/
14:48:42 <shadi> CP: rule repository different from auto-WCAG plain english rules?
14:48:55 <shadi> WF: no, about moving them to W3C space
14:52:40 <shadi> SAZ: looks really great!
14:53:21 <shadi> ...one question is how we validate such test rules to ensure they are inline with WCAG interpretation
14:53:34 <shadi> ...other question is about test cases associated with thes rules
14:53:48 <shadi> WF: just started to write test cases
14:54:02 <shadi> CP: some have commented that this is an important part
14:56:43 <shadi> SAZ: also heard focus should be on test cases not on the procedures
14:56:59 <shadi> ...for example if someone has a different way to achieve the same results
14:59:31 <shadi> WF: concerned about tools becoming black boxes again
14:59:57 <shadi> SAZ: criteria should be test cases not test procedures
15:00:16 <shadi> ...but I think we need to keep test procedures for other uses cases
15:00:29 <shadi> ...like someone trying to build a tool from scratch
15:01:37 <shadi> trackbot, end meeting
15:01:37 <trackbot> Zakim, list attendees
15:01:37 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been shadi, Wilco, MoeKraft, Charu
15:01:45 <trackbot> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
15:01:45 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2017/03/15-wcag-act-minutes.html trackbot
15:01:46 <trackbot> RRSAgent, bye
15:01:46 <RRSAgent> I see no action items