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15:42:00 <trackbot> Meeting: Accessible Platform Architectures Working Group Teleconference
15:42:00 <trackbot> Date: 15 March 2017
15:42:11 <janina> agenda?
15:43:13 <janina> agenda+ preview agenda with items from two minutes
15:43:13 <janina> agenda+ APA at CSUN
15:43:13 <janina> agenda+ APA Task Forces; APA CfC
15:43:13 <janina> agenda+ Community Groups Review
15:43:14 <janina> agenda+ Actions Checkin (Specs) https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/products/8
15:43:15 <janina> agenda+ new on TR http://www.w3.org/TR/tr-status-drafts.html
15:43:18 <janina> agenda+ Other Business
15:43:20 <janina> agenda+ next and future meetings
15:43:23 <janina> agenda+ be done
15:43:32 <janina>  zakim, clear agenda
15:43:32 <Zakim> agenda cleared
15:44:30 <janina> agenda+ preview agenda with items from two minutes
15:44:30 <janina> agenda+ APA Task Forces; APA CfC
15:44:30 <janina> agenda+ Community Groups Review
15:44:30 <janina> agenda+ Actions Checkin (Specs) https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/products/8
15:44:31 <janina> agenda+ new on TR http://www.w3.org/TR/tr-status-drafts.html
15:44:32 <janina> agenda+ Other Business
15:44:35 <janina> agenda+ next and future meetings
15:44:37 <janina> agenda+ be done
15:44:56 <janina>  zakim, clear agenda
15:44:56 <Zakim> agenda cleared
15:46:19 <janina> agenda+ preview agenda with items from two minutes
15:46:19 <janina> agenda+ APA Task Forces; APA CfC
15:46:19 <janina> agenda+ Community Groups Review https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/Community_Groups
15:46:19 <janina> agenda+ Actions Checkin (Specs) https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/products/8
15:46:20 <janina> agenda+ new on TR http://www.w3.org/TR/tr-status-drafts.html
15:46:21 <janina> agenda+ Other Business
15:46:24 <janina> agenda+ next and future meetings
15:46:26 <janina> agenda+ be done
15:54:09 <janina>  present+
16:03:36 <joanie> present+ Joanmarie_Diggs
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16:07:42 <tink> zakim, take up item 1
16:07:43 <Zakim> agendum 1. "preview agenda with items from two minutes" taken up [from janina]
16:07:50 <tink> scribenick: tink
16:07:54 <tink> scribe: Léonie
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16:09:10 <MichaelC> present+
16:09:13 <tink> JS: The RQTF is starting to get traction.
16:09:19 <tink> ... It needs more participation though.
16:09:41 <tink> present+ Léonie
16:10:00 <JF> present+ JF
16:11:04 <tink> ... Shadi and I attended the WoT meeting in Berlin.
16:11:23 <tink> ... Tried to submit a paper but received pushback because the accessibility of WoT interfaces was "taken as a given".
16:11:41 <tink> ... We need to liaise with Johannes Hund (co-chair of the WoT WG) on this.
16:12:12 <tink> LW: TPG has two peole in the WoT WG already.
16:12:27 <tink> GZ: I follow ismilar groups under ISO too.
16:13:04 <tink> ... One use case is assisted living.
16:13:26 <tink> ... My feeling is that these groups work in isolation from each other though.
16:13:29 <tink> JS: Yes.
16:14:57 <tink> ... There are accessibility, security and privacy questions that relate to WoT.
16:16:43 <tink> GZ: I had the feeling there was little interest in working with us, from the WoT WG.
16:17:06 <tink> JS: We'll let the RQTF follow up on this for now.
16:17:10 <tink> rrsagent, make minutes
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16:17:39 <tink> zakim, close item 1
16:17:39 <Zakim> agendum 1, preview agenda with items from two minutes, closed
16:17:40 <Zakim> I see 7 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
16:17:40 <Zakim> 2. APA Task Forces; APA CfC [from janina]
16:17:42 <tink> zakim, take up item 2
16:17:42 <Zakim> agendum 2. "APA Task Forces; APA CfC" taken up [from janina]
16:17:52 <janina> TV Remote Control:      http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-apa-admin/2017Mar/0003.html
16:17:55 <tink> JS: Two CFCs open at the moment.
16:17:55 <janina> Web Payments CG:        http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-apa-admin/2017Mar/0002.html
16:17:58 <janina> 
16:18:26 <tink> ... The TV Control CFC is based on an amendment to the last CFC.
16:19:04 <tink> ... When you talk about remote control, one expectation is that volume can be controlled.
16:19:13 <tink> ... But this is being handled through a separate API apparently.
16:19:43 <tink> zakim, close this item
16:19:43 <Zakim> agendum 2 closed
16:19:44 <Zakim> I see 6 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
16:19:44 <Zakim> 3. Community Groups Review https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/Community_Groups [from janina]
16:19:47 <tink> zakim, take up next item
16:19:47 <Zakim> agendum 3. "Community Groups Review https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/Community_Groups" taken up [from janina]
16:20:16 <tink> JS: We have a number of sub-teams, including one on web payments.
16:20:30 <tink> ... Through WAI IG more (non-member) participants have been identified.
16:20:36 <tink> ... Leading to the cration of a CG.
16:20:54 <tink> ... To develop a payments usability requirements document.
16:22:28 <tink> Ted, for the CSS TF is there anything we can do?
16:22:37 <tink> ... Can you give us an update next week?
16:22:42 <tink> TD: Yes, that works for me.
16:23:18 <tink> JS: Expect an update on RQTF from Jason next week too.
16:23:30 <tink> ... They're revisiting the CAPTCHA doc we published a while ago.
16:24:13 <tink> rrsagent, make minutes
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16:24:42 <tink> TD: Google just announced its new evolution of CAPTCHA.
16:25:00 <MichaelC> q+
16:25:22 <tdrake> https://www.google.com/recaptcha/intro/invisible.html
16:26:06 <MichaelC> ack me
16:26:13 <tink> MC: There may be privacy concerns with the new Google approach.
16:26:27 <tink> TD: My understanding is that around 40% of people will still be sent through to a puzzle.
16:26:41 <tink> JS: RQTF is aware of this though.
16:27:00 <tink> zakim, close this item
16:27:00 <Zakim> agendum 3 closed
16:27:01 <Zakim> I see 5 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
16:27:01 <Zakim> 4. Actions Checkin (Specs) https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/products/8 [from janina]
16:27:11 <tink> zakim, next item
16:27:11 <Zakim> agendum 4. "Actions Checkin (Specs) https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/products/8" taken up [from janina]
16:27:52 <tink> action-2118?
16:27:52 <trackbot> action-2118 -- Ted Drake to Manage review of css containment module level 1 https://www.w3.org/tr/css-contain-1/ -- due 2017-03-01 -- OPEN
16:27:52 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/actions/2118
16:28:00 <tink> TD: Unfinished.
16:28:09 <tink> action-2116?
16:28:09 <trackbot> action-2116 -- John Foliot to Review ttml profiles for internet media subtitles and captions 1.0.1 (imsc1) https://www.w3.org/tr/ttml-imsc1.0.1/ -- due 2017-02-15 -- OPEN
16:28:09 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/actions/2116
16:28:24 <tink> JF: Still open?
16:28:33 <tink> ... Need to check. Thought it was done.
16:28:45 <MichaelC> action-2116 due 1 week
16:28:45 <trackbot> Set action-2116 Review ttml profiles for internet media subtitles and captions 1.0.1 (imsc1) https://www.w3.org/tr/ttml-imsc1.0.1/ due date to 2017-03-22.
16:28:50 <tink> MC: If you've done it, close it.
16:28:53 <tink> action-2113?
16:28:53 <trackbot> action-2113 -- Ted Drake to Review css display module level 3 https://www.w3.org/tr/css-display-3/ -- due 2017-03-08 -- OPEN
16:28:53 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/actions/2113
16:29:01 <tink> TD: Not done.
16:29:02 <MichaelC> action-2113 due 1 week
16:29:02 <trackbot> Set action-2113 Review css display module level 3 https://www.w3.org/tr/css-display-3/ due date to 2017-03-22.
16:29:05 <MichaelC> action-2118 due 1 week
16:29:05 <trackbot> Set action-2118 Manage review of css containment module level 1 https://www.w3.org/tr/css-contain-1/ due date to 2017-03-22.
16:29:11 <tink> action-2112?
16:29:11 <trackbot> action-2112 -- Janina Sajka to Re-review push api https://w3c.github.io/push-api/ -- due 2017-03-01 -- OPEN
16:29:11 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/actions/2112
16:29:16 <MichaelC> action-2112 due 1 week
16:29:16 <trackbot> Set action-2112 Re-review push api https://w3c.github.io/push-api/ due date to 2017-03-22.
16:29:16 <tink> JS: Not done.
16:29:34 <tink> action-2099?
16:29:34 <trackbot> action-2099 -- Michael Cooper to Ping review of css table module level 3 -- due 2017-03-08 -- OPEN
16:29:34 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/actions/2099
16:29:46 <tink> MC: Wanted to come back to this.
16:30:05 <tink> ... Spec was updated last week, so perhaps we should look again?
16:30:29 <tink> JS: Ted is helping us assign these, so give it to Ted for now with a couple of weeks.
16:30:35 <tink> TD: Next week I should have time.
16:30:40 <tink> rrsagent, make minutes
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16:30:56 <tink> action-2094?
16:30:56 <trackbot> action-2094 -- Janina Sajka to Review tv control api specification https://www.w3.org/tr/tvcontrol-api/ -- due 2017-02-15 -- OPEN
16:30:56 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/actions/2094
16:31:05 <tink> JS: The CFC is out relating to this.
16:31:16 <MichaelC> close action-2094
16:31:16 <trackbot> Closed action-2094.
16:31:26 <tink> action-2088?
16:31:26 <trackbot> action-2088 -- Michael Cooper to Trigger apa review of html 5.2 after it´s had a chance to develop -- due 2017-03-03 -- OPEN
16:31:26 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/actions/2088
16:32:08 <tink> LW: WD was just updated and we're aiming to be in CR in June.
16:32:13 <tink> JS: Theres a diff?
16:32:19 <tink> LW: Yes, a changelog in thet ToC.
16:32:54 <tink> JS: I'll do it, give me a month. Anyone else?
16:33:07 <MichaelC> action: janina to review HTML 5.2 https://www.w3.org/TR/html52/ - due 4 weeks
16:33:08 <trackbot> Created ACTION-2119 - Review html 5.2 https://www.w3.org/tr/html52/ [on Janina Sajka - due 2017-04-12].
16:33:46 <MichaelC> action-2119: https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/HTML_5.2
16:33:46 <trackbot> Notes added to action-2119 Review html 5.2 https://www.w3.org/tr/html52/.
16:33:57 <MichaelC> close action-2088
16:33:57 <trackbot> Closed action-2088.
16:34:13 <tink> action-2070?
16:34:13 <trackbot> action-2070 -- Ted Drake to Pick up the thread with https://www.w3.org/tr/css-counter-styles-3/ css counter styles level 3 on needing reply to their response to us -- due 2017-03-08 -- OPEN
16:34:13 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/actions/2070
16:34:19 <tink> TD: Not done yet.
16:34:20 <MichaelC> action-2070 due 1 week
16:34:20 <trackbot> Set action-2070 Pick up the thread with https://www.w3.org/tr/css-counter-styles-3/ css counter styles level 3 on needing reply to their response to us due date to 2017-03-22.
16:34:34 <tink> action-2062?
16:34:34 <trackbot> action-2062 -- Ted Drake to Re-review custom counter styles https://www.w3.org/tr/predefined-counter-styles/ -- due 2017-03-08 -- OPEN
16:34:34 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/actions/2062
16:34:41 <tink> MC: Duplicate?
16:34:47 <MichaelC> close action-2062
16:34:47 <trackbot> Closed action-2062.
16:34:54 <tink> action-2055?
16:34:54 <trackbot> action-2055 -- Janina Sajka to Review css painting api level 1 https://www.w3.org/tr/css-paint-api-1/ -- due 2017-03-09 -- OPEN
16:34:54 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/actions/2055
16:35:06 <tink> JS: Can I give this to Ted?
16:35:16 <tink> ... Think it was a placeholder action.
16:35:36 <tink> action-2029?
16:35:36 <trackbot> action-2029 -- John Foliot to Review discovery & registration of multimodal modality components: state handling https://www.w3.org/tr/mmi-mc-discovery/ -- due 2017-02-02 -- OPEN
16:35:36 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/actions/2029
16:35:51 <tink> JS: Multi-Modal is closed, no?
16:35:56 <tink> JF: Don't recall this one.
16:36:10 <tink> MC: Yes, we can close.
16:36:17 <MichaelC> close action-2029
16:36:17 <trackbot> Closed action-2029.
16:37:16 <tink> action-2011?
16:37:16 <trackbot> action-2011 -- Ted Drake to Janina to draft examples of how the hand-wavey stuff in CSS Transitions accessibility statement could be solidified -- due 2016-06-29 -- OPEN
16:37:16 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/actions/2011
16:37:32 <tink> TD: Didn't know about this one.
16:38:27 <tink> JS: Michiel tried to write something, but we felt it needed more but didn't then get anywhere.
16:39:15 <MichaelC> action-2011 due 1 week
16:39:15 <trackbot> Set action-2011 Janina to draft examples of how the hand-wavey stuff in CSS Transitions accessibility statement could be solidified due date to 2017-03-22.
16:39:24 <tink> TD: Could be useful to do this.
16:40:31 <tink> LW: Did we review the Screen Orientation API?
16:40:46 <tink> ... I had a note that we did but cant find trace of the place we said so.
16:41:02 <tink> JS: Think we had concerns about locking orientation.
16:41:11 <tink> JF: We don't want that ability.
16:41:18 <tink> ED: Native apps have this ability.
16:41:36 <tink> JF: Yes, the user might want to, but do we want authors to?
16:41:55 <tink> JS: This wasn't a user override.
16:42:19 <tink> LW: It's a JS API that enables authors to lock orientation.
16:43:32 <tink> LW: Think this is author guidance because the API could be used either way.
16:43:53 <tink> ... to give the user control or to enable author control of orientation.
16:44:01 <tink> JF: There is a proposed SC in WCAG 2.1.
16:44:11 <tink> ... SC2.6.2 Level AA.
16:44:18 <tink> JS: Ok, guess we dont need anything here.
16:44:23 <JF> Proposed: https://www.w3.org/TR/WCAG21/#orientation
16:44:51 <JF> Content is not locked to a specific orientation, and functionality of the content is operable in all orientations, except where orientation is essential for use of the content.
16:44:58 <tink> JS: we should mention this in the wiki.
16:46:55 <tink> zakim, close this item
16:46:55 <Zakim> agendum 4 closed
16:46:56 <Zakim> I see 4 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
16:46:56 <Zakim> 5. new on TR http://www.w3.org/TR/tr-status-drafts.html [from janina]
16:47:05 <tink> zakim, take up item 5
16:47:05 <Zakim> agendum 5. "new on TR http://www.w3.org/TR/tr-status-drafts.html" taken up [from janina]
16:47:38 <tink> zakim, agenda?
16:47:38 <Zakim> I see 4 items remaining on the agenda:
16:47:39 <Zakim> 5. new on TR http://www.w3.org/TR/tr-status-drafts.html [from janina]
16:47:39 <Zakim> 6. Other Business [from janina]
16:47:39 <Zakim> 7. next and future meetings [from janina]
16:47:39 <Zakim> 8. be done [from janina]
16:47:54 <tink> TOPIC: CG review
16:48:03 <MichaelC> -> https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/Community_Groups APA wiki for Community Groups
16:48:50 <tink> MC: Have put my recommendations for what to do with these CGs into the ^^ doc.
16:49:13 <tink> JS: Suggest we all take this as homework... to review and comment on Michael's recommendations.
16:49:37 <tink> ... We'll also report to the WAI IG in case someone there is interested in trackig a particular CG on our hhelaf.
16:49:43 <tink> w: +1
16:49:59 <tink> s/w: +1/LW: +1/
16:50:08 <JF> +1 I will take a stab
16:50:17 <tink> zakim, take up item 5
16:50:17 <Zakim> agendum 5. "new on TR http://www.w3.org/TR/tr-status-drafts.html" taken up [from janina]
16:50:26 <tink> rrsagent, make minutes
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16:50:50 <MichaelC> -> https://www.w3.org/TR/WCAG21/ Web Content Accessibility Guidelines (WCAG) 2.1
16:51:22 <tink> JS: No need to review.
16:52:08 <MichaelC> -> https://www.w3.org/TR/pwp/ Web Publications
16:52:21 <MichaelC> -> https://www.w3.org/TR/pwp-ucr/ Web Publications Use Cases and Requirements
16:52:22 <tink> MC: Suggest we review the use cases document.
16:52:30 <tink> ... It has an a1y section.
16:52:42 <tink> s/a1y/a11y/
16:53:20 <tink> JF: The editors are know and trusted, but we should review and I'm happy to do it.
16:53:28 <MichaelC> action: JF to review Web Publications Use Cases and Requirements https://www.w3.org/TR/pwp-ucr/
16:53:28 <trackbot> Created ACTION-2120 - Review web publications use cases and requirements https://www.w3.org/tr/pwp-ucr/ [on John Foliot - due 2017-03-22].
16:53:38 <MichaelC> action-2120: https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/Web_Publications_Use_Cases_and_Requirements
16:53:38 <trackbot> Notes added to action-2120 Review web publications use cases and requirements https://www.w3.org/tr/pwp-ucr/.
16:54:30 <MichaelC> -> https://www.w3.org/TR/annotation-html/ Embedding Web Annotations in HTML
16:54:57 <tink> MC: Think this is closed.
16:55:18 <tink> ... Sugest we skip it.
16:56:11 <MichaelC> -> https://www.w3.org/TR/css-ui-3/ CSS Basic User Interface Module Level 3 (CSS3 UI)
16:57:20 <tink> LW: Happy to review this.
16:57:32 <MichaelC> action: Léonie to review CSS Basic User Interface Module Level 3 (CSS3 UI) https://www.w3.org/TR/css-ui-3/
16:57:32 <trackbot> Created ACTION-2121 - Review css basic user interface module level 3 (css3 ui) https://www.w3.org/tr/css-ui-3/ [on Léonie Watson - due 2017-03-22].
16:58:08 <MichaelC> -> https://www.w3.org/TR/css-rhythm-1/ CSS Rhythmic Sizing
17:00:24 <MichaelC> action: Ted to manage review of CSS Rhythmic Sizing https://www.w3.org/TR/css-rhythm-1/
17:00:24 <trackbot> Created ACTION-2122 - Manage review of css rhythmic sizing https://www.w3.org/tr/css-rhythm-1/ [on Ted Drake - due 2017-03-22].
17:00:32 <tink> rrsagent, make minutes
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17:01:04 <MichaelC> -> https://www.w3.org/TR/selectors-states/ Selectors and States
17:01:49 <tink> chair: Janina
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18:31:46 <janina> janina has changed the topic to: APA Teleconference; Wednesday 22 March at 16:00Z