IRC log of apa on 2017-03-15

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Meeting: Accessible Platform Architectures Working Group Teleconference
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Date: 15 March 2017
15:42:11 [janina]
agenda?
15:43:13 [janina]
agenda+ preview agenda with items from two minutes
15:43:13 [janina]
agenda+ APA at CSUN
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agenda+ APA Task Forces; APA CfC
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agenda+ Community Groups Review
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agenda+ Actions Checkin (Specs) https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/products/8
15:43:15 [janina]
agenda+ new on TR http://www.w3.org/TR/tr-status-drafts.html
15:43:18 [janina]
agenda+ Other Business
15:43:20 [janina]
agenda+ next and future meetings
15:43:23 [janina]
agenda+ be done
15:43:32 [janina]
zakim, clear agenda
15:43:32 [Zakim]
agenda cleared
15:44:30 [janina]
agenda+ preview agenda with items from two minutes
15:44:30 [janina]
agenda+ APA Task Forces; APA CfC
15:44:30 [janina]
agenda+ Community Groups Review
15:44:30 [janina]
agenda+ Actions Checkin (Specs) https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/products/8
15:44:31 [janina]
agenda+ new on TR http://www.w3.org/TR/tr-status-drafts.html
15:44:32 [janina]
agenda+ Other Business
15:44:35 [janina]
agenda+ next and future meetings
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agenda+ be done
15:44:56 [janina]
zakim, clear agenda
15:44:56 [Zakim]
agenda cleared
15:46:19 [janina]
agenda+ preview agenda with items from two minutes
15:46:19 [janina]
agenda+ APA Task Forces; APA CfC
15:46:19 [janina]
agenda+ Community Groups Review https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/Community_Groups
15:46:19 [janina]
agenda+ Actions Checkin (Specs) https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/products/8
15:46:20 [janina]
agenda+ new on TR http://www.w3.org/TR/tr-status-drafts.html
15:46:21 [janina]
agenda+ Other Business
15:46:24 [janina]
agenda+ next and future meetings
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agenda+ be done
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present+
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present+ Joanmarie_Diggs
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zakim, take up item 1
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agendum 1. "preview agenda with items from two minutes" taken up [from janina]
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scribenick: tink
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scribe: Léonie
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present +tdrake
16:09:10 [MichaelC]
present+
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JS: The RQTF is starting to get traction.
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... It needs more participation though.
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present+ Léonie
16:10:00 [JF]
present+ JF
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... Shadi and I attended the WoT meeting in Berlin.
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... Tried to submit a paper but received pushback because the accessibility of WoT interfaces was "taken as a given".
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... We need to liaise with Johannes Hund (co-chair of the WoT WG) on this.
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LW: TPG has two peole in the WoT WG already.
16:12:27 [tink]
GZ: I follow ismilar groups under ISO too.
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... One use case is assisted living.
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... My feeling is that these groups work in isolation from each other though.
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JS: Yes.
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... There are accessibility, security and privacy questions that relate to WoT.
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GZ: I had the feeling there was little interest in working with us, from the WoT WG.
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JS: We'll let the RQTF follow up on this for now.
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zakim, close item 1
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agendum 1, preview agenda with items from two minutes, closed
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I see 7 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
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2. APA Task Forces; APA CfC [from janina]
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zakim, take up item 2
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agendum 2. "APA Task Forces; APA CfC" taken up [from janina]
16:17:52 [janina]
TV Remote Control: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-apa-admin/2017Mar/0003.html
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JS: Two CFCs open at the moment.
16:17:55 [janina]
Web Payments CG: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-apa-admin/2017Mar/0002.html
16:17:58 [janina]
16:18:26 [tink]
... The TV Control CFC is based on an amendment to the last CFC.
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... When you talk about remote control, one expectation is that volume can be controlled.
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... But this is being handled through a separate API apparently.
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zakim, close this item
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agendum 2 closed
16:19:44 [Zakim]
I see 6 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
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3. Community Groups Review https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/Community_Groups [from janina]
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zakim, take up next item
16:19:47 [Zakim]
agendum 3. "Community Groups Review https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/Community_Groups" taken up [from janina]
16:20:16 [tink]
JS: We have a number of sub-teams, including one on web payments.
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... Through WAI IG more (non-member) participants have been identified.
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... Leading to the cration of a CG.
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... To develop a payments usability requirements document.
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Ted, for the CSS TF is there anything we can do?
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... Can you give us an update next week?
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TD: Yes, that works for me.
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JS: Expect an update on RQTF from Jason next week too.
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... They're revisiting the CAPTCHA doc we published a while ago.
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TD: Google just announced its new evolution of CAPTCHA.
16:25:00 [MichaelC]
q+
16:25:22 [tdrake]
https://www.google.com/recaptcha/intro/invisible.html
16:26:06 [MichaelC]
ack me
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MC: There may be privacy concerns with the new Google approach.
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TD: My understanding is that around 40% of people will still be sent through to a puzzle.
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JS: RQTF is aware of this though.
16:27:00 [tink]
zakim, close this item
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agendum 3 closed
16:27:01 [Zakim]
I see 5 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
16:27:01 [Zakim]
4. Actions Checkin (Specs) https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/products/8 [from janina]
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zakim, next item
16:27:11 [Zakim]
agendum 4. "Actions Checkin (Specs) https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/products/8" taken up [from janina]
16:27:52 [tink]
action-2118?
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action-2118 -- Ted Drake to Manage review of css containment module level 1 https://www.w3.org/tr/css-contain-1/ -- due 2017-03-01 -- OPEN
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http://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/actions/2118
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TD: Unfinished.
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action-2116?
16:28:09 [trackbot]
action-2116 -- John Foliot to Review ttml profiles for internet media subtitles and captions 1.0.1 (imsc1) https://www.w3.org/tr/ttml-imsc1.0.1/ -- due 2017-02-15 -- OPEN
16:28:09 [trackbot]
http://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/actions/2116
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JF: Still open?
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... Need to check. Thought it was done.
16:28:45 [MichaelC]
action-2116 due 1 week
16:28:45 [trackbot]
Set action-2116 Review ttml profiles for internet media subtitles and captions 1.0.1 (imsc1) https://www.w3.org/tr/ttml-imsc1.0.1/ due date to 2017-03-22.
16:28:50 [tink]
MC: If you've done it, close it.
16:28:53 [tink]
action-2113?
16:28:53 [trackbot]
action-2113 -- Ted Drake to Review css display module level 3 https://www.w3.org/tr/css-display-3/ -- due 2017-03-08 -- OPEN
16:28:53 [trackbot]
http://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/actions/2113
16:29:01 [tink]
TD: Not done.
16:29:02 [MichaelC]
action-2113 due 1 week
16:29:02 [trackbot]
Set action-2113 Review css display module level 3 https://www.w3.org/tr/css-display-3/ due date to 2017-03-22.
16:29:05 [MichaelC]
action-2118 due 1 week
16:29:05 [trackbot]
Set action-2118 Manage review of css containment module level 1 https://www.w3.org/tr/css-contain-1/ due date to 2017-03-22.
16:29:11 [tink]
action-2112?
16:29:11 [trackbot]
action-2112 -- Janina Sajka to Re-review push api https://w3c.github.io/push-api/ -- due 2017-03-01 -- OPEN
16:29:11 [trackbot]
http://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/actions/2112
16:29:16 [MichaelC]
action-2112 due 1 week
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Set action-2112 Re-review push api https://w3c.github.io/push-api/ due date to 2017-03-22.
16:29:16 [tink]
JS: Not done.
16:29:34 [tink]
action-2099?
16:29:34 [trackbot]
action-2099 -- Michael Cooper to Ping review of css table module level 3 -- due 2017-03-08 -- OPEN
16:29:34 [trackbot]
http://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/actions/2099
16:29:46 [tink]
MC: Wanted to come back to this.
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... Spec was updated last week, so perhaps we should look again?
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JS: Ted is helping us assign these, so give it to Ted for now with a couple of weeks.
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TD: Next week I should have time.
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action-2094?
16:30:56 [trackbot]
action-2094 -- Janina Sajka to Review tv control api specification https://www.w3.org/tr/tvcontrol-api/ -- due 2017-02-15 -- OPEN
16:30:56 [trackbot]
http://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/actions/2094
16:31:05 [tink]
JS: The CFC is out relating to this.
16:31:16 [MichaelC]
close action-2094
16:31:16 [trackbot]
Closed action-2094.
16:31:26 [tink]
action-2088?
16:31:26 [trackbot]
action-2088 -- Michael Cooper to Trigger apa review of html 5.2 after it´s had a chance to develop -- due 2017-03-03 -- OPEN
16:31:26 [trackbot]
http://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/actions/2088
16:32:08 [tink]
LW: WD was just updated and we're aiming to be in CR in June.
16:32:13 [tink]
JS: Theres a diff?
16:32:19 [tink]
LW: Yes, a changelog in thet ToC.
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JS: I'll do it, give me a month. Anyone else?
16:33:07 [MichaelC]
action: janina to review HTML 5.2 https://www.w3.org/TR/html52/ - due 4 weeks
16:33:08 [trackbot]
Created ACTION-2119 - Review html 5.2 https://www.w3.org/tr/html52/ [on Janina Sajka - due 2017-04-12].
16:33:46 [MichaelC]
action-2119: https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/HTML_5.2
16:33:46 [trackbot]
Notes added to action-2119 Review html 5.2 https://www.w3.org/tr/html52/.
16:33:57 [MichaelC]
close action-2088
16:33:57 [trackbot]
Closed action-2088.
16:34:13 [tink]
action-2070?
16:34:13 [trackbot]
action-2070 -- Ted Drake to Pick up the thread with https://www.w3.org/tr/css-counter-styles-3/ css counter styles level 3 on needing reply to their response to us -- due 2017-03-08 -- OPEN
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http://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/actions/2070
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TD: Not done yet.
16:34:20 [MichaelC]
action-2070 due 1 week
16:34:20 [trackbot]
Set action-2070 Pick up the thread with https://www.w3.org/tr/css-counter-styles-3/ css counter styles level 3 on needing reply to their response to us due date to 2017-03-22.
16:34:34 [tink]
action-2062?
16:34:34 [trackbot]
action-2062 -- Ted Drake to Re-review custom counter styles https://www.w3.org/tr/predefined-counter-styles/ -- due 2017-03-08 -- OPEN
16:34:34 [trackbot]
http://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/actions/2062
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MC: Duplicate?
16:34:47 [MichaelC]
close action-2062
16:34:47 [trackbot]
Closed action-2062.
16:34:54 [tink]
action-2055?
16:34:54 [trackbot]
action-2055 -- Janina Sajka to Review css painting api level 1 https://www.w3.org/tr/css-paint-api-1/ -- due 2017-03-09 -- OPEN
16:34:54 [trackbot]
http://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/actions/2055
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JS: Can I give this to Ted?
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... Think it was a placeholder action.
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action-2029?
16:35:36 [trackbot]
action-2029 -- John Foliot to Review discovery & registration of multimodal modality components: state handling https://www.w3.org/tr/mmi-mc-discovery/ -- due 2017-02-02 -- OPEN
16:35:36 [trackbot]
http://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/actions/2029
16:35:51 [tink]
JS: Multi-Modal is closed, no?
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JF: Don't recall this one.
16:36:10 [tink]
MC: Yes, we can close.
16:36:17 [MichaelC]
close action-2029
16:36:17 [trackbot]
Closed action-2029.
16:37:16 [tink]
action-2011?
16:37:16 [trackbot]
action-2011 -- Ted Drake to Janina to draft examples of how the hand-wavey stuff in CSS Transitions accessibility statement could be solidified -- due 2016-06-29 -- OPEN
16:37:16 [trackbot]
http://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/actions/2011
16:37:32 [tink]
TD: Didn't know about this one.
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JS: Michiel tried to write something, but we felt it needed more but didn't then get anywhere.
16:39:15 [MichaelC]
action-2011 due 1 week
16:39:15 [trackbot]
Set action-2011 Janina to draft examples of how the hand-wavey stuff in CSS Transitions accessibility statement could be solidified due date to 2017-03-22.
16:39:24 [tink]
TD: Could be useful to do this.
16:40:31 [tink]
LW: Did we review the Screen Orientation API?
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... I had a note that we did but cant find trace of the place we said so.
16:41:02 [tink]
JS: Think we had concerns about locking orientation.
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JF: We don't want that ability.
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ED: Native apps have this ability.
16:41:36 [tink]
JF: Yes, the user might want to, but do we want authors to?
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JS: This wasn't a user override.
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LW: It's a JS API that enables authors to lock orientation.
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LW: Think this is author guidance because the API could be used either way.
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... to give the user control or to enable author control of orientation.
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JF: There is a proposed SC in WCAG 2.1.
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... SC2.6.2 Level AA.
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JS: Ok, guess we dont need anything here.
16:44:23 [JF]
Proposed: https://www.w3.org/TR/WCAG21/#orientation
16:44:51 [JF]
Content is not locked to a specific orientation, and functionality of the content is operable in all orientations, except where orientation is essential for use of the content.
16:44:58 [tink]
JS: we should mention this in the wiki.
16:46:55 [tink]
zakim, close this item
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agendum 4 closed
16:46:56 [Zakim]
I see 4 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
16:46:56 [Zakim]
5. new on TR http://www.w3.org/TR/tr-status-drafts.html [from janina]
16:47:05 [tink]
zakim, take up item 5
16:47:05 [Zakim]
agendum 5. "new on TR http://www.w3.org/TR/tr-status-drafts.html" taken up [from janina]
16:47:38 [tink]
zakim, agenda?
16:47:38 [Zakim]
I see 4 items remaining on the agenda:
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5. new on TR http://www.w3.org/TR/tr-status-drafts.html [from janina]
16:47:39 [Zakim]
6. Other Business [from janina]
16:47:39 [Zakim]
7. next and future meetings [from janina]
16:47:39 [Zakim]
8. be done [from janina]
16:47:54 [tink]
TOPIC: CG review
16:48:03 [MichaelC]
-> https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/Community_Groups APA wiki for Community Groups
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MC: Have put my recommendations for what to do with these CGs into the ^^ doc.
16:49:13 [tink]
JS: Suggest we all take this as homework... to review and comment on Michael's recommendations.
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... We'll also report to the WAI IG in case someone there is interested in trackig a particular CG on our hhelaf.
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w: +1
16:49:59 [tink]
s/w: +1/LW: +1/
16:50:08 [JF]
+1 I will take a stab
16:50:17 [tink]
zakim, take up item 5
16:50:17 [Zakim]
agendum 5. "new on TR http://www.w3.org/TR/tr-status-drafts.html" taken up [from janina]
16:50:26 [tink]
rrsagent, make minutes
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16:50:50 [MichaelC]
-> https://www.w3.org/TR/WCAG21/ Web Content Accessibility Guidelines (WCAG) 2.1
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JS: No need to review.
16:52:08 [MichaelC]
-> https://www.w3.org/TR/pwp/ Web Publications
16:52:21 [MichaelC]
-> https://www.w3.org/TR/pwp-ucr/ Web Publications Use Cases and Requirements
16:52:22 [tink]
MC: Suggest we review the use cases document.
16:52:30 [tink]
... It has an a1y section.
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s/a1y/a11y/
16:53:20 [tink]
JF: The editors are know and trusted, but we should review and I'm happy to do it.
16:53:28 [MichaelC]
action: JF to review Web Publications Use Cases and Requirements https://www.w3.org/TR/pwp-ucr/
16:53:28 [trackbot]
Created ACTION-2120 - Review web publications use cases and requirements https://www.w3.org/tr/pwp-ucr/ [on John Foliot - due 2017-03-22].
16:53:38 [MichaelC]
action-2120: https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/Web_Publications_Use_Cases_and_Requirements
16:53:38 [trackbot]
Notes added to action-2120 Review web publications use cases and requirements https://www.w3.org/tr/pwp-ucr/.
16:54:30 [MichaelC]
-> https://www.w3.org/TR/annotation-html/ Embedding Web Annotations in HTML
16:54:57 [tink]
MC: Think this is closed.
16:55:18 [tink]
... Sugest we skip it.
16:56:11 [MichaelC]
-> https://www.w3.org/TR/css-ui-3/ CSS Basic User Interface Module Level 3 (CSS3 UI)
16:57:20 [tink]
LW: Happy to review this.
16:57:32 [MichaelC]
action: Léonie to review CSS Basic User Interface Module Level 3 (CSS3 UI) https://www.w3.org/TR/css-ui-3/
16:57:32 [trackbot]
Created ACTION-2121 - Review css basic user interface module level 3 (css3 ui) https://www.w3.org/tr/css-ui-3/ [on Léonie Watson - due 2017-03-22].
16:58:08 [MichaelC]
-> https://www.w3.org/TR/css-rhythm-1/ CSS Rhythmic Sizing
17:00:24 [MichaelC]
action: Ted to manage review of CSS Rhythmic Sizing https://www.w3.org/TR/css-rhythm-1/
17:00:24 [trackbot]
Created ACTION-2122 - Manage review of css rhythmic sizing https://www.w3.org/tr/css-rhythm-1/ [on Ted Drake - due 2017-03-22].
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-> https://www.w3.org/TR/selectors-states/ Selectors and States
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chair: Janina
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18:31:46 [janina]
janina has changed the topic to: APA Teleconference; Wednesday 22 March at 16:00Z