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18:45:51 <trackbot> Meeting: Accessible Rich Internet Applications Working Group Teleconference
18:45:51 <trackbot> Date: 14 March 2017
18:46:10 <clown> chair:  Joseph_Scheuhammer
18:46:18 <clown> agenda: this
18:46:43 <clown> agenda+ (All) Level of detail in UIA mappings.
18:46:51 <clown> agenda+ (Bogdan) Specifying AAPI UIA interface in focus events table, and other mapping tables.
18:47:01 <clown> agenda+ ISSUE-738 (Bogdan) Verify or provide correct UIA mapping for role="heading".
18:47:14 <clown> agenda+ (Joanie) AX API mapping issues and testing.
18:47:21 <clown> agenda+ Triage actions/issues: https://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/products/23
18:47:27 <clown> agenda+ Triage core-aam bugzillas: https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/buglist.cgi?component=Core%20AAM&product=ARIA
18:47:34 <clown> agenda+ Triage accname-aam bugzillas: https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/buglist.cgi?component=AccName%20AAM&product=ARIA
18:47:41 <clown> agenda+ Triage accname actions: https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/products/26
18:47:47 <clown> agenda+ be done.
19:01:09 <joanie> present+ Joanmarie_Diggs
19:01:23 <clown> present+ Joseph_Scheuhammer
19:03:09 <richardschwerdtfeger> present+ Rich_Schwerdtfeger
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19:06:31 <bgaraventa1979> present+ Bryan_Garaventa
19:06:50 <joanie> scribe: joanie
19:08:23 <joanie> Zakim, take up item 1
19:08:23 <Zakim> agendum 1. "(All) Level of detail in UIA mappings." taken up [from clown]
19:09:26 <joanie> JS: Bogdan had missed our emails. He apologized profusely, and is now back on track.
19:09:40 <joanie> JS: One of the issues was how to deal with this business of cached and current property names.
19:09:58 <joanie> JS: He sent the proposal to me, Rich, Joanie, and Michael Cooper.
19:10:15 <joanie> JS: He explains the difference between current and cached.
19:10:46 <joanie> JS: While cached is faster, there's the danger that the property has not been cached yet.
19:11:10 <joanie> JS: Bogdan proposes we explain the difference in some section.
19:11:36 <joanie> JS: But that we do not specify that level of detail of the mapping table.
19:12:18 <joanie> RS: It would be nice to know which to use.
19:12:41 <joanie> JS: Both will always work, but there's a danger that you will have to make two calls.
19:13:03 <joanie> RS: We should probably just get the current, and will know it's always going to be right.
19:13:49 <clown> scribenick: clown
19:14:08 <clown> JD: for my platform, I think there is some confusion around setters and getters.
19:15:38 <clown> JD:  I think both the implementor and the tester need to use the getter.
19:16:20 <richardschwerdtfeger> stepping out a second
19:21:46 <joanie> scribe: joanie
19:23:47 <joanie> JD: (Technical discussion about why in general it is the getter and not the setter user agent implementors implement)
19:24:20 <joanie> JS: I like the idea of a preamble and then just using the property name.
19:24:36 <joanie> https://developer.gnome.org/atk/stable/AtkObject.html
19:25:21 <joanie> atk_object_ref_state_set ()
19:27:40 <joanie> JD: I don't want to actually change this in the Core AAM.
19:27:47 <joanie> JD: As I indicated last week.
19:28:09 <joanie> JS: Bogdan has emailed us with three proposals.
19:28:18 <joanie> JS: We need to get back to him on what we think.
19:28:43 <joanie> JS: I have already replied that I like the preambled section, followed by specified the preable and property.
19:29:05 <joanie> RS: What I'm saying is that you can say at the top that UIA has a notion of current and cached versions of the properties.
19:29:26 <joanie> RS: And that in this specification, we'll refer to the property name without specifying current or cached.
19:29:44 <joanie> RS: But for the purpose of automated testing, we'll use current.
19:29:52 <joanie> JS: That's close to what I've already said.
19:30:04 <joanie> JS: However, I would like you and Joanie to reply.
19:30:15 <joanie> RS: But you replied?
19:30:17 <joanie> JS: Yes.
19:30:29 <joanie> RS: Has Bogdan replied back to you?
19:30:32 <joanie> JS: Not yet.
19:30:55 <joanie> JS: And unfortunately, Bogdan's email was not sent to the mailing list, so it is quasi-private.
19:31:12 <joanie> RS: But, again, for the ATTA, we'll use the current value; not the cached.
19:31:14 <joanie> JS: Ok.
19:31:24 <joanie> RS: I'll reply to him saying that then.
19:41:37 <joanie> Zakim, next item
19:41:37 <Zakim> agendum 2. "(Bogdan) Specifying AAPI UIA interface in focus events table, and other mapping tables." taken up [from clown]
19:42:08 <clown> https://github.com/w3c/aria/pull/533
19:42:10 <joanie> JS: Rich had indicated we needed interfaces for ATTAs.
19:42:16 <clown> https://rawgit.com/boggydigital/aria/patch-2/core-aam/core-aam.html#focus_state_event_table
19:42:23 <joanie> JS: Bogdan provided a pull request (see URL above)
19:42:46 <joanie> JS: There is a new Microsoft UIA column (see the rawgit URL above).
19:42:53 <joanie> JS: Note that he's using current here.
19:43:17 <joanie> JS: Is this fine? If not, I suggest you comment on the pull request itself.
19:43:23 <joanie> RS: I have no problem with that.
19:44:55 <joanie> JS: By the way, Bogdan also indicated he was looking for someone from Microsoft to join us at these meetings.
19:45:08 <joanie> JS: Anyway, are you ok with what he did for the focus table so I can pull it in?
19:45:11 <joanie> RS: Sure.
19:46:18 <joanie> Zakim, next item
19:46:18 <Zakim> agendum 3. "ISSUE-738 (Bogdan) Verify or provide correct UIA mapping for role="heading"." taken up [from clown]
19:46:26 <clown> https://github.com/w3c/aria/pull/532
19:46:35 <joanie> JS: There is a pull request from Bodgan for this as well.
19:46:45 <joanie> JS: He says to use localized control type of heading.
19:46:47 <clown> https://rawgit.com/boggydigital/aria/patch-1/core-aam/core-aam.html#role-map-heading
19:47:01 <clown> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-aria/2017Mar/0010.html
19:47:02 <joanie> JS: See urls above.
19:47:39 <joanie> JS: In an email he sent to the public list (URL above), he stated that he's requested control types for heading and header and the like.
19:52:14 <joanie> JS: So you're ok with that pull request for the heading change?
19:52:54 <joanie> JD: Question, is it accurate that the pull request is for a mapping to UIA API which Bogdan has requested, but which does not yet exist for his platform?
19:52:58 <joanie> JS: Yes.
19:53:29 <joanie> JD: Can we update the Core AAM based on that?
19:53:34 <joanie> JS: We've done it before....
19:53:47 <joanie> JS: How much longer will we be writing testable statements?
19:54:04 <joanie> RS: I'm making progress, but there are still quite a few remaining.
19:54:16 <joanie> Zakim, next item
19:54:16 <Zakim> agendum 4. "(Joanie) AX API mapping issues and testing." taken up [from clown]
19:54:28 <joanie> JS: How is Joanie doing on the mappings?
19:54:39 <joanie> RS: She said she'd be done in a week?
19:54:45 <joanie> JD: That's for the ATTA.
19:54:53 <joanie> JS: If there's no progress that's alright.
19:55:04 <joanie> RS: I think she's focusing on the bridge first.
19:55:12 <joanie> JS: Do you mind me brining it up every week?
19:55:20 <joanie> JD: It doesn't matter either way.
19:55:57 <joanie> 17:01:50 <joanie>      ASSERTION: property AXRoleDescription is alert dialog
19:55:57 <joanie> 17:01:50 <joanie>         STATUS: FAIL
19:55:57 <joanie> 17:01:52 <joanie>   ACTUAL VALUE: web alert dialog
19:56:14 <joanie> JD: The above came from the ARIA channel.
19:56:34 <clown> https://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/master/core-aam/core-aam.html#role-map-alertdialog
19:58:01 <joanie> JD: Should I do a pull request?
19:58:07 <joanie> JD: Should I file something first?
19:58:19 <joanie> JS: I'd like something filed first.
19:58:21 <joanie> JD: OK
20:03:01 <joanie> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-aria-test/2016Sep/0007.html
20:04:08 <joanie> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-aria-test/2016Sep/0010.html
20:04:21 <joanie> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-aria-test/2016Sep/0011.html
20:04:39 <richardschwerdtfeger> you win
20:06:42 <joanie> Zakim, part
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