IRC log of wcag-act on 2017-03-08
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- RRSAgent, make logs public
- 14:56:39 [Zakim]
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- Zakim, this will be
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- I don't understand 'this will be', trackbot
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- Meeting: Accessibility Conformance Testing Teleconference
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- Date: 08 March 2017
- 14:57:46 [maryjom]
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- 14:58:19 [Wilco]
- agenda+ Review prior 2 meetings' minutes https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/task-forces/conformance-testing/wiki/Meeting_Minutes
- 14:58:28 [Wilco]
- agenda+ Review pull request 60 - group edits from CSUN meeting https://github.com/w3c/wcag-act/pull/60/files?diff=split
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- agenda+ Review pull request 61 https://github.com/w3c/wcag-act/pull/61/files?diff=split
- 14:58:55 [Wilco]
- agenda+ Review pull request 62 https://github.com/w3c/wcag-act/pull/62/files?diff=split
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- agenda+ Open Issues in Github https://github.com/w3c/wcag-act/issues
- 14:59:22 [Wilco]
- agenda+ Develop questions for feedback we want on the ACT Framework review
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- agenda+ Length of time for review (typically 4 weeks)
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- agenda+ Plan for draft review & mailing list to advertise (be ready for discussion next week)
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- agenda?
- 15:05:19 [MoeKraft]
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- 15:07:19 [shadi]
- https://github.com/tabatkins/bikeshed/tree/master/bikeshed/boilerplate
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- https://github.com/tabatkins/bikeshed/tree/master/bikeshed/boilerplate/webauthn
- 15:15:07 [Charu]
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- 15:19:36 [Wilco]
- Typically something like background, border, color, font, or text-decoration.
- 15:20:32 [Charu]
- Scribe: <Charu>
- 15:20:51 [Charu]
- scribe: charu
- 15:21:29 [maryjom]
- present+ MaryJoMueller
- 15:21:42 [MoeKraft]
- present+ MoeKraft
- 15:21:43 [Wilco]
- present+ Wilco
- 15:21:53 [Wilco]
- zakim, next item
- 15:21:53 [Zakim]
- agendum 1. "Review prior 2 meetings' minutes https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/task-forces/conformance-testing/wiki/Meeting_Minutes" taken up [from Wilco]
- 15:22:40 [Charu]
- Wilco: no comments on previous meeting, can close
- 15:22:56 [Wilco]
- https://github.com/w3c/wcag-act/pull/60/files?diff=split
- 15:23:38 [Charu]
- <Zakim> next agenda
- 15:24:24 [Charu]
- Zakim, next item
- 15:24:24 [Zakim]
- agendum 2. "Review pull request 60 - group edits from CSUN meeting https://github.com/w3c/wcag-act/pull/60/files?diff=split" taken up [from Wilco]
- 15:24:47 [Wilco]
- https://github.com/w3c/wcag-act/pull/61
- 15:24:48 [Charu]
- Wilco: no omments on 60
- 15:24:57 [Charu]
- Zakim, next item
- 15:24:57 [Zakim]
- agendum 2 was just opened, Charu
- 15:25:29 [Charu]
- Wilco: SHadi you want to speak to it?
- 15:25:43 [shadi]
- https://www.w3.org/TR/WCAG21/
- 15:26:10 [Charu]
- Shadi: That is the first working public draft, we want ours to look like it
- 15:26:54 [Charu]
- Shadi: Ideally change the paragraph to talk to the audiance
- 15:27:59 [Charu]
- Shadi: Encourage feedback through Github, we have a more technocal audiance
- 15:28:31 [Charu]
- Moe: How in detail should be the introduction
- 15:30:07 [Charu]
- Shadi: We don't need much details, WCAG is high level and has more details, we can have the inline comments
- 15:31:00 [Charu]
- Moe: to summarize we need to talk about the status of the document
- 15:31:42 [Charu]
- Shadi: yes about the status, and editor notes
- 15:32:26 [Charu]
- Wilco: What does the document provide and what kind of feedback we want
- 15:33:43 [Charu]
- Shadi: This documents provide first full draft of framework with links to some examples and rules in the auto-wcag
- 15:34:06 [Charu]
- Shadi: what are the particular highlights of this draft
- 15:34:21 [Charu]
- Wilco: Cover all the sections
- 15:34:50 [Wilco]
- ACT Framework 1.0 is a complete draft, addressing all of the topics the ACT Taskforce believes is important to cover when writing rules.
- 15:35:02 [Charu]
- Shadi: ask if there are any aspect that are left out, you are describing the status and not the oontent
- 15:35:16 [MoeKraft]
- Should we say is the first complete draft?
- 15:35:38 [Wilco]
- https://auto-wcag.github.io/auto-wcag/
- 15:35:50 [Charu]
- Wilco: you suggesting a link to the auto-wcag
- 15:36:53 [Charu]
- Shadi: this framework is based on the rules developed by auto-wcag community group, which can be a link
- 15:36:54 [Wilco]
- ACT Framework 1.0 is a complete draft, addressing all of the topics the ACT Taskforce believes are important to cover when writing rules. The ACT Framework is based on rules developed by the [Auto-WCAG Community Group](https://auto-wcag.github.io/auto-wcag/).
- 15:37:29 [shadi]
- +1
- 15:37:37 [Charu]
- +1
- 15:37:40 [MoeKraft]
- +1
- 15:37:41 [maryjom]
- +1
- 15:37:50 [MoeKraft]
- And then we need: For this publication, the Accessibility Conformance Testing Task Force particularly seeks feedback on the following questions:
- 15:39:21 [Wilco]
- https://w3c.github.io/wcag-act/act-fr-reqs.html
- 15:40:13 [Charu]
- Wilco: Moe can add the requirements document back in?
- 15:40:22 [Charu]
- Moe: yes i can
- 15:40:33 [Charu]
- Wilco: on the Questions
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- - Does the ACT Framework address all the topics reviewers feel are critical to rule design?
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- - The ACT Framework is proposing dealing with accessibility support as an optional component, using metadata. Do reviewers feel this approach is sufficient or overcomplicated in addressing their accessibility support needs?
- 15:42:33 [Charu]
- Wilco: what do folks feel about the questions?
- 15:43:21 [shadi]
- suggestion: Does the ACT Framework address all the topics that are critical to rule design?
- 15:43:45 [maryjom]
- +1 to Shadi's suggestion
- 15:44:46 [Charu]
- +1 to Shadi's suggestion
- 15:44:55 [shadi]
- suggestion: Does the _section on accessibility support_ adequately address the topic?
- 15:45:28 [MoeKraft]
- https://w3c.github.io/wcag-act/act-framework.html#structure-acc-supp
- 15:46:11 [Charu]
- Shadi: my suggestion is to be more specific in the topic and link to it
- 15:46:19 [Wilco]
- - Does the ACT Framework address all the topics that are critical to rule design? - Does the [section on accessibility support](#structure-acc-supp) adequately address the topic?
- 15:46:24 [Charu]
- Wilco: thats fine
- 15:47:35 [shadi]
- q+ to ask about transposition of own rules to the framework format
- 15:48:28 [Charu]
- Charu: mention benchmarking, is it sufficient
- 15:48:40 [Charu]
- Shadi: yes that is important
- 15:49:22 [Charu]
- Wilco: yes lets add that
- 15:51:13 [Charu]
- Shadi: ask it differently,
- 15:51:44 [shadi]
- suggestion: Are there improvements to better support developers of test rules to adopt this framework?
- 15:52:21 [shadi]
- suggestion: Are there improvements to better support developers of test rules to transpose their rules and adopt this framework?
- 15:53:24 [Charu]
- Wilco: anything else? do we want to ask a general question if this would benefit their approach to testing?
- 15:54:02 [Charu]
- Shadi: what if someone says no
- 15:54:19 [Charu]
- Wilco: we will not make it yes or no
- 15:55:14 [Charu]
- Shadi: i think we have enough questions
- 15:55:28 [Charu]
- Wilco: yes lets go with this 4
- 15:56:01 [Charu]
- Moe: how are we asking for feedback, email or comments on Github
- 15:56:41 [Charu]
- Moe: There was a discussion on using Github and chanllenges in using the tools
- 15:57:49 [Charu]
- Shadi: we will go with WCAG, encourage to use Github and if someone wants in email then we will provide that
- 15:58:38 [Charu]
- Wilco: We have lot to do, can folks stick around for another 30 minutes?
- 15:58:52 [Charu]
- Moe, Charu and Shadi cannot
- 16:00:39 [Charu]
- Shadi: here is a suggestion, are you able to generate an editor's draft with the edits you have, rforget my pull request, and send out the survey
- 16:01:13 [Charu]
- Mary Jo: do we have the questions for the Ag Wag survey?
- 16:01:32 [Charu]
- Wilco: no, let you and me stick around
- 16:02:43 [Charu]
- Shadi: my concern we do not have enough people on the call and not everyone has responded to the survey
- 16:03:06 [MoeKraft]
- got to drop. I'm fine with call for consensus
- 16:03:10 [Charu]
- Mary Jo: Do we need the call for consus through email
- 16:03:26 [Charu]
- Wilco: yes lets do that
- 16:05:28 [Wilco]
- https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/93339/ACTTF6March2017/results
- 16:07:06 [Wilco]
- https://github.com/w3c/wcag-act/pull/63/files
- 16:24:15 [Wilco]
- Determining if a web page is accessible depends partly on the assistive technologies and user agents that are used by the visitors to access it.
- 16:53:04 [Wilco]
- qhttps://github.com/w3c/wcag-act/blob/fpwd-update/act-framework.bs
- 16:54:07 [Wilco]
- https://github.com/w3c/wcag-act/pull/63/files
- 17:04:30 [shadi]
- trackbot, end meeting
- 17:04:30 [trackbot]
- Zakim, list attendees
- 17:04:30 [Zakim]
- As of this point the attendees have been MaryJoMueller, MoeKraft, Wilco
- 17:04:38 [trackbot]
- RRSAgent, please draft minutes
- 17:04:38 [RRSAgent]
- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2017/03/08-wcag-act-minutes.html trackbot
- 17:04:39 [trackbot]
- RRSAgent, bye
- 17:04:39 [RRSAgent]
- I see no action items