13:55:36 RRSAgent has joined #wpay-reg 13:55:36 logging to http://www.w3.org/2017/03/02-wpay-reg-irc 13:55:52 Meeting: Regulatory Landscape Task Force 13:55:56 Chair: Jean-Yves Rossie 13:55:58 Chair: Jean-Yves Rossi 13:56:02 agenda: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webpayments-ig/2017Mar/0000.html 13:56:04 Scribe: Ian 13:56:25 * Hi Ian, tx for scribing 13:56:35 no problem :) 13:57:37 dezell has joined #wpay-reg 13:57:42 *could we schedule a 30 min slot of time for a chat, let's say on next Friday or Monday? 13:58:01 Hi David, Previous message was for Ian 13:59:18 The earliest I can meet at a time convenient for you is Weds, 8 march at 15h00 paris time 13:59:54 @Ian, that will be perfect! 14:00:08 ok. 14:00:45 Do you want me to call you on Weds? 14:00:47 Or skype? 14:01:52 * Ian, what is the address for the current webex? I get a "not started" 14:01:54 I may have the wrong Webex meeting (the one from Jean-Yves's email). 14:02:09 https://mit.webex.com/mw3100/mywebex/default.do?service=1&siteurl=mit&nomenu=true&main_url=%2Fmc3100%2Fe.do%3Fsiteurl%3Dmit%26AT%3DMI%26EventID%3D536297007%26UID%3D512403222%26Host%3DQUhTSwAAAANqZRKgouY416InFZSXtXYSt770uhfrjllaQIsFsy_KazxzCVzoFFImTyFM25guKXWg-Bpwzxjl7suc6ejfUfAs0%26FrameSet%3D2%26MTID%3Dm7b483cc7864b53cc8e8cad868a5f98ce 14:02:21 s/I may*$// 14:02:59 The one "not started" is dedicated to Thursday, March 2, 2017 | 9:00 am Eastern Standard Time (GMT-05:00) and "not strated" 14:03:19 * same for me 14:03:53 https://mit.webex.com/mit/j.php?MTID=m7b483cc7864b53cc8e8cad868a5f98ce 14:04:01 that's the one I have in my calendar 14:05:04 * I have the same (from your mail) but orange light and "not started" 14:05:14 try again please 14:05:41 * the same 14:05:46 hmm. 14:05:49 let me start it again 14:05:57 * no problem 14:06:15 ok, started again 14:06:24 https://mit.webex.com/mit/j.php?MTID=m7b483cc7864b53cc8e8cad868a5f98ce 14:07:08 present+ 14:07:11 present+ dezell 14:07:11 * it works! 14:07:19 present+ JY Rossi 14:08:58 *troubles in strating Webexapp 14:09:55 present+ william 14:10:24 * I do it butr preparation stops at 10% 14:10:31 * I do it but preparation stops at 10% 14:10:55 *retrying... 14:11:13 *I may use VOIP 14:11:35 US Toll Number +1-617-324-0000 14:11:39 647 512 422 14:13:02 IJ: Yesterday I shared our current reg work with the payments wg of the european central banks 14:15:36 regrets+ Jurgen 14:16:04 Topic: Updates to Jean-Yve' 14:16:10 Topic: Updates to Jean-Yves' materials 14:16:21 https://www.w3.org/Payments/IG/wiki/RegulatoryLandscape 14:18:32 agenda+ IG meeting agenda 14:19:05 https://www.w3.org/Payments/IG/wiki/RegulatoryLandscape 14:19:34 q1) Duplicate goals 14:19:53 q2) Duplicate list of deliverables 14:20:18 https://www.w3.org/2014/04/payments/webpayments_charter.html 14:21:07 IJ: Please simplify and unify 14:21:19 ...can use the charter as guidance, e.g.,: 14:21:22 * Mission statement 14:21:24 * Scope 14:21:24 [ * Deliverables 14:22:01 dezell: +1 to tersification 14:22:17 ...we could post an executive summary in our IG blog and link to the page 14:22:28 IJ: +1 to a short blog post 14:24:05 Goal: 14:24:10 - raise awareness 14:24:13 - ensure alignment 14:24:23 - provide input to WG for sensitive areas 14:24:28 - provide guidance to users of the API 14:25:03 +1, tx for the guidance 14:26:53 for the minutes, link to Ian's preso to CE Banks: https://www.w3.org/2017/Talks/ij_ecb_20170301/w3c.pdf 14:28:27 IJ: My summary is this: 14:28:52 - To meet goal 3 we need to get feedback focused on the WG's spec. Thus our deliverable (flow analysis) 14:29:01 ÉBÉ et un homme d'extrême s'est évanoui SDD maire et quelqu'un m'a tapé Games intégrité et c'est avec un art encore en s'impose Seaking Afrique 14:29:32 - To meet goal 2 we are gathering themes across jurisdictions ... speaking in terms important to them 14:29:41 ...that explains the deliverable of gathering key themes 14:30:00 - To meet goal 4 incrementally we listen to responses, some of which are not about the spec but about usage of the spec 14:30:13 - To meet goal 1, we are sharing our deliverables with them 14:30:21 (E.g., Ian mentioned this work to ECBs yesterday) 14:30:38 william: +1 to Ian's characterization...I think this is the right approach 14:30:55 ..I was thinking about saying explicitly that we have several audiences 14:31:03 IJ: +1 14:32:20 q+ 14:32:41 IJ: I volunteer to do a pass on https://www.w3.org/Payments/IG/wiki/RegulatoryLandscape 14:32:45 jyrossi: Please do 14:32:46 ack de 14:33:26 William has joined #wpay-reg 14:33:53 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2017/03/02-wpay-reg-minutes.html Ian 14:36:00 q+ 14:38:08 William has joined #wpay-reg 14:39:28 s/ÉBÉ et un homme d'extrême s'est évanoui SDD maire et quelqu'un m'a tapé Games intégrité et c'est avec un art encore en s'impose Seaking Afrique/ / 14:39:33 ack Ian 14:40:27 [IJ recounts presentation to ECB yesterday] 14:40:52 IJ: They mentioned some of the issues that we are covering in the flow analysis 14:41:10 ...I asked them if they could do a review once we have a more mature doc; they expressed interest (but no commitment) 14:41:41 jyrossi: That's good; but we don't want to only focus on Europe 14:41:58 ...we will want to convince people from other parts of the world to participate 14:42:32 https://www.w3.org/Payments/IG/wiki/Template 14:43:17 jyrossi: Will this make it easier for people to provide us with information 14:44:23 to be considered in connexion with the first sample https://www.w3.org/Payments/IG/wiki/SEPA_Focus_-_Regulatory_TF 14:44:37 IJ: What are facts and figures for? I understand the need to define the area covered by the regulation 14:47:24 Template: 14:47:26 * Here's the definition of the jurisdiction 14:47:44 * There are the authorities for that jurisdiction 14:47:53 * Here are key regulations for that jurisdiction 14:48:23 q+ on level of detail required for such a basic wiki page 14:48:47 IJ: what is diff between "rule" and "regulation"? 14:49:02 jyrossi: One of the difficulties is that we are trying to bridge two different universes 14:49:44 ack jy 14:49:44 jyrossi, you wanted to comment on level of detail required for such a basic wiki page 14:50:59 jyrossi: If you are a member state of Europe, you have to comply with all European rules. If you are not a member state but you ant to be allowed to provide services in a market, then you have to voluntarily comply with the rules established by the European Authorities 14:51:23 q? 14:51:25 q+ 14:51:34 ack I 14:51:38 IJ: What is a rule? What is a regulation? 14:52:53 jyrossi: Agree we should use the vocabulary of the authority (e.g., of the EU) 14:53:26 IJ: Feedback on template - know your audience's terminology 14:53:40 note: us media typically confuses these two terms. Rules are "norms", Regulations are "laws". "Norms" is actually too weak. 14:54:47 IJ: Feedback on template - should we have language-specific instances? (e.g., Russian) 14:56:34 AN exemple on an US federal agency : https://www.fda.gov/TobaccoProducts/Labeling/RulesRegulationsGuidance/ucm283974.htm 14:56:47 IJ: For the template - call out key payment methods 14:57:11 (which will help us identify opportunities to ensure a generic w3c payment method can accommodate that jurisdiction's flavor of it) 14:58:06 ...that's a concrete path to getting input to the working gorup 14:59:10 IJ: If we have template terms, please define them in some common wiki 14:59:43 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2017/03/02-wpay-reg-minutes.html Ian 14:59:50 Topic: Next meeting 15:00:12 jyrossi: 9 March, 9am ET 15:00:18 RRSAgent, make minutes 15:00:18 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2017/03/02-wpay-reg-minutes.html Ian 15:00:23 RRSAgent, set logs public 15:00:53 willlliam, may I call you? 15:01:18 Tx Ian