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14:59:51 <trackbot> Meeting: Web Payments Working Group Teleconference
14:59:51 <trackbot> Date: 23 February 2017
15:00:05 <Ian> agenda: https://github.com/w3c/webpayments/wiki/Agenda-20170223
15:00:11 <Ian> Ian has changed the topic to: 23 Feb agenda => https://github.com/w3c/webpayments/wiki/Agenda-20170223
15:00:24 <Ian> present+
15:00:26 <Ian> regrets+ Molly
15:00:54 <AdrianHB> present+
15:01:05 <Ian> present+ AdamR
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15:05:17 <Ian> present+ Max
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15:05:47 <Ian> Topic: PMI pull request
15:06:23 <Ian> https://github.com/w3c/webpayments-method-identifiers/pull/21/commits/42b022563e337f195758eed2dd22f7cde09620a6
15:06:30 <Ian> https://github.com/w3c/webpayments-method-identifiers/pull/21/files
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15:07:29 <Ian> https://github.com/w3c/webpayments-method-identifiers/pull/21/files
15:07:53 <Ian> Chair: AdrianHB
15:08:05 <Ian> PROPOSED: Adopt AHB's pull request for PMI => https://github.com/w3c/webpayments-method-identifiers/pull/21/files
15:08:06 <nicktr> present+
15:08:25 <Ian> AdrianHB: No longer requires HTTPS ; instead refers to URL spec and secure contexts and use concept that is more general
15:08:35 <Ian> "potentially trustworthy URL"
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15:08:53 <Ian> AdrianHB: I added info to the matching algorithm to throw out query string/fragments
15:09:11 <Ian> s/throw out query string/fragments/throw out URL if it contains query string or fragment id
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15:09:45 <Ian> AdamR: Looks good in general. One additional fix is "hard abort" still there on line 136
15:09:59 <Ian> AdrianHB: Thanks, I will fix that
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15:10:31 <adamR> s/hard abort/will be ignored/
15:10:36 <Ian> IJ: Any other comments on the changes?
15:10:42 <Ian> present+ Ken
15:10:54 <Ian> present+ dezell
15:10:56 <nicktr> q?
15:11:20 <nicktr> +1
15:11:21 <rouslan> +1
15:11:24 <Ian> +1
15:11:30 <adamR> +1
15:11:30 <pascal_bazin> +1
15:11:36 <Ian> {No Objections}
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15:11:46 <Ian> RESOLVED: Adopt pull request 21 for PMI spec with AdamR's fix
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15:12:42 <Ian> https://github.com/w3c/webpayments-method-identifiers/issues
15:13:27 <Ian> Topic: Payment option filtering
15:13:32 <Ian> https://github.com/w3c/browser-payment-api/pull/420
15:13:32 <rouslan> q+
15:14:08 <nicktr> ack rouslan
15:14:18 <Ian> IJ: This is a PR for simple browser-based comparison of filters / capabilities
15:14:53 <Ian> rouslan: The proposal says: when payment method specific data that has a list of strings, the browser treats them like potential filter
15:15:00 <Ian> ...when a payment app registers it will specify capabilities
15:15:08 <Ian> ...the capabilities are payment method specific
15:15:51 <Ian> ...the PR is about how to do matching between merchant filter and payment app capabilities
15:16:11 <Ian> ...the difference between my proposal and AdamR's proposal on this is that Adam proposes a specific label for filters.
15:16:19 <adamR> q+
15:16:24 <Ian> ...I prefer not labeling filters; easier for backwards compability
15:16:43 <Ian> (IJ: But labeling filters gives you better forwards-compatibility I think)
15:16:57 <Ian> rouslan: We could use a shim for older uses of API to newer uses, but I'd rather avoid
15:17:10 <Ian> ...I've asked AdamR and Domenic to review the proposal
15:17:38 <Ian> ...Domenic has been helping to make the spec more explicit (to foster interop)
15:17:52 <Ian> ...they have made comments on the thread and I've not addressed them yet
15:17:54 <Ian> ack AdrianHB
15:17:57 <Ian> ack Ad
15:18:15 <Ian> AdamR: There is one comment that merits discussion here - where we want filters to be separated out from request data or mixed in
15:18:47 <AdrianHB> +1 to have them outside the payment method data
15:18:51 <Ian> ..while I am sympathetic to existing implementation, my concern here is that for yet-to-be-defined payment methods, there may come a time when a payment method wants to define a list of string, and they could accidentally be treated as filters
15:19:30 <Ian> ...I prefer the slight hit today of calling out filters today in favor of an easier future
15:20:42 <Ian> https://github.com/w3c/webpayments-payment-apps-api/issues/96#issuecomment-276416457
15:21:54 <Ian> AdamR approach:
15:21:55 <Ian> const methodData = [{
15:21:55 <Ian>   supportedMethods: ["basic-card"],
15:21:55 <Ian>   filters: {
15:21:56 <Ian>     supportedNetworks: ['visa', 'mastercard'],
15:21:57 <Ian>     supportedTypes: ['credit']
15:21:59 <Ian>   },
15:22:01 <Ian>   data: {
15:22:03 <Ian>     // Any payment-method-specific fields go here.
15:22:05 <Ian>   }
15:22:07 <Ian> }];
15:22:09 <Ian> Rouslan approach:
15:22:11 <Ian> hypothetical.api.register(
15:22:13 <Ian>     "basic-card",
15:22:15 <Ian>     "MyBank's Debit Card",
15:22:17 <Ian>     data: {
15:22:19 <Ian>         supportedNetworks: "visa",
15:22:21 <Ian>         supportedTypes: "debit"
15:22:23 <Ian>     });
15:22:50 <Ian> ====
15:23:06 <Ian> We could special case the existing names and say "those are treated as filters for backwards compatibility; so avoid them"
15:23:08 <rouslan> q+
15:24:37 <Ian> ack rous
15:24:37 <nicktr> ack rouslan
15:25:00 <nicktr> q?
15:25:05 <Ian> rouslan: +1 to that compromise - recommend people use filters, but for basic card the two filters are treated specially
15:25:08 <Ian> AdamR: I can live with that
15:25:36 <Ian> Rouslan: I propose to update the pull request and bring back to the group
15:26:03 <Ian> q?
15:26:08 <nicktr> Q?
15:26:28 <Ian> AdrianHB: This would still mean a change to PR API to add a filters member.
15:26:54 <Ian> Rouslan: Google implementation will still look for filters in data
15:27:48 <adamR> q+
15:27:57 <Ian> IJ: Do we want to treat BC specially?
15:28:04 <rouslan> q+
15:28:08 <Ian> AdamR: I would hesitate to have BC remain an exception
15:28:25 <Ian> ...would prefer "filters" as the primary mechanism and deprecate in the long term having filters in data
15:28:30 <AdrianHB> +1 to AdamR
15:28:51 <Ian> rouslan: I think what we'll do in chrome is print a console warning when BC is used with data instead of filters. We'll deprecate over time in favor filters
15:29:21 <rouslan> q+
15:29:24 <Ian> nicktr: Let's also check in with other implementers
15:29:33 <Ian> q+ to ask about basic card spec change
15:29:36 <nicktr> Q+
15:29:42 <nicktr> ack
15:29:42 <Ian> ack ad
15:29:50 <Ian> ack rou
15:30:17 <Ian> rouslan: You mentioned Molly...we should definitely check with MS
15:30:37 <Ian> ACTION: Rouslan to check with Molly about this proposal re: filters
15:30:37 <trackbot> Created ACTION-52 - Check with molly about this proposal re: filters [on Rouslan Solomakhin - due 2017-03-02].
15:30:39 <Ian> ack me
15:30:39 <Zakim> Ian, you wanted to ask about basic card spec change
15:31:10 <Ian> Ian: Do we also need to update BC to reflect the filtering?
15:31:30 <Ian> (this affects the credit transfer and tokenization specs)
15:32:22 <Ian> Rouslan: Yes, that's correct.
15:32:37 <Ian> IJ: Do you want to augment your pull request with changes to BC?
15:32:53 <Ian> Rouslan: I would need a new one?
15:33:15 <Ian> AdamR: If you just make changes to your repo and click on the PR button, it will pile the new commitments on top
15:33:23 <Ian> Rouslan: But it's two repos
15:33:29 <Ian> ...so I need a new pull request
15:33:41 <Ian> Rouslan: I propose to wait to hear from MS first, then proceed
15:33:45 <nicktr> q?
15:33:48 <Ian> ack nick
15:34:08 <Ian> nicktr: This has highlighted for me what we need to get to by FTF meeting - inbound changes to PR API
15:34:19 <Ian> ...that's going to to be part of the conversation to get to CR
15:34:39 <Ian> topic: FTF meeting agenda
15:34:46 <Ian> https://github.com/w3c/webpayments/wiki/FTF-March2017
15:35:00 <Ian> nicktr: I have started with a detailed agenda...got as far as day 1
15:35:06 <Ian> https://github.com/w3c/webpayments/wiki/FTF-March2017#proposed-agenda-times-are-local
15:35:31 <Ian> q+
15:36:53 <Ian> IJ: I think testing as "separate" from PR API
15:37:10 <Ian> ...let's ask for clarification
15:37:43 <Ian> IJ :Can we have more time on payment app
15:37:48 <Ian> Nick: that will be continued on day 2
15:38:27 <Ian> IJ: We will have 2 more payment method specs
15:39:03 <Ian> IJ: suggest 30 mins each
15:39:13 <Ian> +30 mins merchant adoption
15:39:26 <Ian> IJ: Any demo commitments?
15:40:23 <Ian> Nick: I want to demo Conor's work
15:41:00 <Ian> IJ: Would love to see Microsoft implementation
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15:42:15 <Ian> Let's review the next draft in a week
15:43:13 <Ian> Nick: Will there be remote access?
15:44:17 <Ian> ACTION: Ian to set up WebEx for the 2-day meeting
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15:44:29 <nicktr> q?
15:44:31 <Ian> ack me
15:44:33 <adamR> +1 to having significantly more time on day 2 for Payment Apps.
15:44:56 <Ian> nicktr: Should we spend the entire morning on payment apps?
15:44:59 <Ian> AdamR: I think it's possible
15:45:24 <Ian> ...there are a number of open issues...we are converging on a  few of them but I think some are suffering from lack of input from broader group
15:46:27 <Ian> nicktr: Would be prepared to lead that session
15:46:28 <Ian> AdamR: Yes
15:46:54 <Ian> q+
15:47:04 <nicktr> q?
15:47:11 <Ian> ack me
15:47:13 <Ian> https://github.com/w3c/webpayments-payment-apps-api/wiki/Proposal-20170130
15:49:26 <Ian> Ian: I updated that yesterday. We are making progress and at a minimum we should share where we've arrived
15:49:37 <Ian> adrianhB: Regarding the agenda, let's leave time on both days for things that come up in discussion
15:50:22 <adamR> +1 to beer
15:51:42 <Ian> topic:
15:51:42 <Ian> Payment Method Manifest Specification
15:51:46 <Ian> Topic: Payment Method Manifest Specification
15:51:56 <Ian> Max: We made some progress and updated the draft
15:51:59 <Ian> ...but not yet on GitHub
15:52:08 <Ian> ...hope to have that by FTF meeting
15:52:28 <Ian> IJ: How much time on FTF agenda for it?
15:52:39 <Ian> Max: I'd like to finish it soon for people to review it
15:52:49 <Ian> ...before the meeting
15:53:17 <Ian> +1 to 30 minutes on payment app manifest to start
15:53:18 <nicktr> notes another 30 minutes for manifest
15:53:47 <Ian> nicktr: What about breakout sessions?
15:54:22 <AdrianHB> propose we only do breakouts if we are time limited
15:54:24 <Ian> IJ: Logistically, it's feasible
15:54:36 <Ian> AdamR: I don't object in principle but I would not want to treat payment apps as a breakout session
15:54:36 <Ian> +1
15:54:45 <nicktr> +1 to payment apps being in the main group
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15:55:25 <Ian> AdrianHB: I propose that if we don't have enough time for topics, we breakout to optimize
15:55:48 <Ian> Nick: I want to put the "get to CR" conversation early afternoon on Day 2
15:55:49 <Ian> +1
15:56:28 <nicktr> zakim, who is here?
15:56:28 <Zakim> Present: Ian, AdrianHB, AdamR, Pascal, Rouslan, Mathieu, Max, oyiptong, Olivier, Guest, spolu, nicktr, Ken, dezell
15:56:31 <Zakim> On IRC I see Ken, dezell, mathp, betehess, rouslan, Zakim, RRSAgent, pascal_bazin, Max, adamR, hober, canton_, pea13, slightlyoff, ShaneM, trackbot, Ian, dlehn, adrianba, Dongwoo,
15:56:31 <Zakim> ... JakeA, emschwartz, oyiptong, davidillsley_, nicktr, AdrianHB, mkwst, schuki, manu, dlongley
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15:56:46 <Ian> Topic: Testing
15:56:52 <Ian> IJ: How is testing going?
15:56:58 <Ian> Stan: I am iterating; adding a few tests
15:57:17 <Ian> ...my first goal is to build a mock version of the payment request that I inject in a page, so that I can progress on running the test suite
15:57:28 <Ian> ..I hope to show you something next week
15:58:15 <Ian> IJ: Maybe have something to show at FTF?
15:58:22 <Ian> ...or issues riased
15:58:30 <Ian> Stan: I won't be at the FTF but could present over WebEx
15:58:49 <Ian> Topic: Next meeting
15:58:55 <Ian> 2 March
15:59:00 <Ian> RRSAgent, make minutes
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15:59:14 <Ian> Nick: Please send regrets/issues to the chairs
15:59:21 <AdrianHB> Regrets for 2 March
15:59:24 <Ian> AdrianHB: Regrets for me for next week; but will be at chairs meeting
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15:59:27 <nicktr> thanks everyone
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