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14:46:33 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be
14:46:33 <Zakim> I don't understand 'this will be', trackbot
14:46:34 <trackbot> Meeting: Accessibility Conformance Testing Teleconference
14:46:34 <trackbot> Date: 22 February 2017
14:47:07 <Wilco> agenda?
14:48:18 <Wilco> agenda+ Previous week's survey results (from Feb. 8) https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/93339/ACTTF8Feb2017/results
14:48:25 <Wilco> agenda+ Draft section 6.1 Output Data https://github.com/w3c/wcag-act/pull/41/files?diff=split
14:48:27 <Wilco> agenda+ Draft section 4.2 Accessibility Support Data https://github.com/w3c/wcag-act/pull/32/files?diff=split
14:48:29 <Wilco> agenda+ Draft section 6.2 Rule Aggregation https://github.com/w3c/wcag-act/pull/46/files?diff=split
14:48:31 <Wilco> agenda+ Current week's survey results https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/93339/ACTTF15Feb2017/results
14:48:33 <Wilco> agenda+ Resolutions of 9 Feb. 2017 meeting https://www.w3.org/2017/02/08-wcag-act-minutes.html
14:48:35 <Wilco> agenda+ Draft Section 7.1 Managing Exceptions https://github.com/w3c/wcag-act/pull/51/files?diff=split
14:48:37 <Wilco> agenda+ Extra meetings to get spec ready for FPWD by CSUN
14:48:39 <Wilco> agenda+ Progress on issues assigned last week - ready to survey?
14:48:41 <Wilco> agenda+ Open Issues in Github https://github.com/w3c/wcag-act/issues
14:48:43 <Wilco> agenda+ Next meeting: February 22
14:48:49 <Wilco> agenda?
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15:04:57 <rdeltour> trackbot, start meeting
15:05:00 <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs public
15:05:03 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be
15:05:03 <trackbot> Meeting: Accessibility Conformance Testing Teleconference
15:05:03 <trackbot> Date: 22 February 2017
15:05:03 <Zakim> I don't understand 'this will be', trackbot
15:05:15 <rdeltour> scribe: Romain
15:05:31 <rdeltour> scribenick: rdeltour
15:05:34 <Wilco> present+
15:05:37 <rdeltour> present+
15:05:59 <rdeltour> agenda+ Previous week's survey results (from Feb. 15)
15:05:59 <maryjom_> present+ MaryJoMueller
15:06:10 <rdeltour> agenda+ Draft Section 7.1 Managing Exceptions
15:06:17 <rdeltour> agenda+ Current week's survey results
15:06:27 <rdeltour> agenda+ Resolutions of 15 February 2017 - accept meeting minutes
15:06:38 <rdeltour> agenda+ Draft Section 5.2 Test Cases
15:06:47 <rdeltour> agenda+ Availability for tentatively scheduled CSUN F2F meeting
15:07:33 <rdeltour> zakim, take up next
15:07:33 <Zakim> agendum 1. "Previous week's survey results (from Feb. 8) https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/93339/ACTTF8Feb2017/results" taken up [from Wilco]
15:08:26 <rdeltour> agenda?
15:09:22 <rdeltour> last week's survey:
15:09:23 <rdeltour> https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/93339/ACTTF15Feb2017/results
15:10:32 <Wilco> zakim, clear agenda
15:10:32 <Zakim> agenda cleared
15:10:55 <Wilco> agenda+ Previous week's survey results (from Feb. 15) https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/93339/ACTTF15Feb2017/results
15:11:13 <Wilco> agenda+ Draft Section 7.1 Managing Exceptions https://github.com/w3c/wcag-act/pull/51/files?diff=split
15:11:18 <rdeltour> zakim, take up next
15:11:18 <Zakim> agendum 2. "Draft Section 7.1 Managing Exceptions https://github.com/w3c/wcag-act/pull/51/files?diff=split" taken up [from Wilco]
15:11:20 <Wilco> agenda+ Current week's survey results https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/93339/ACTTF22Feb2017/results
15:11:30 <Wilco> agenda+ Resolutions of 15 February 2017 - accept meeting minutes https://www.w3.org/2017/02/15-wcag-act-minutes.html
15:11:41 <Wilco> agenda+ Draft Section 5.2 Test Cases https://github.com/w3c/wcag-act/pull/54/files?diff=split
15:11:51 <Wilco> agenda+ Availability for tentatively scheduled CSUN F2F meeting https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/93339/ACTTF22Feb2017/results#xq5
15:12:03 <Wilco> agenda+ Open Issues in Github https://github.com/w3c/wcag-act/issues
15:12:17 <Wilco> agenda+ Upcoming meetings: Tomorrow - February 23 & CSUN (tentatively Feb. 28)
15:13:02 <rdeltour> wilco: we were on the agenda AG WG yesterday, but we didn't reach that part of the call
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15:13:25 <rdeltour> wilco: alistair, anything you wanted to add?
15:13:39 <rdeltour> ag: no, probably not
15:13:43 <rdeltour> zakim, take up next
15:13:43 <Zakim> agendum 3. "Current week's survey results https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/93339/ACTTF22Feb2017/results" taken up [from Wilco]
15:14:10 <Wilco> zakim, take up item 2
15:14:10 <Zakim> agendum 2. "Draft Section 7.1 Managing Exceptions https://github.com/w3c/wcag-act/pull/51/files?diff=split" taken up [from Wilco]
15:14:50 <Kathy> present+ Kathy
15:15:12 <rdeltour> wilco: 0 comments on this, approved?
15:15:35 <rdeltour> [crickets]
15:15:55 <rdeltour> wilco: there were a couple updates since the last time we looked
15:16:08 <rdeltour> wilco: any objections to merging?
15:16:14 <rdeltour> [none heard]
15:16:18 <rdeltour> +1
15:16:18 <Kathy> +1
15:16:23 <maryjom_> +1
15:16:27 <agarrison> +1
15:16:40 <rdeltour> zakim, take up item 3
15:16:40 <Zakim> agendum 3. "Current week's survey results https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/93339/ACTTF22Feb2017/results" taken up [from Wilco]
15:17:28 <rdeltour> wilco: no comments on last week's minutes. minutes approved!
15:17:41 <rdeltour> zakim, take up next
15:17:42 <Zakim> agendum 4. "Resolutions of 15 February 2017 - accept meeting minutes https://www.w3.org/2017/02/15-wcag-act-minutes.html" taken up [from Wilco]
15:18:00 <rdeltour> zakim, take up next
15:18:00 <Zakim> agendum 4 was just opened, rdeltour
15:18:12 <rdeltour> zakim, take up item 4
15:18:12 <Zakim> agendum 4. "Resolutions of 15 February 2017 - accept meeting minutes https://www.w3.org/2017/02/15-wcag-act-minutes.html" taken up [from Wilco]
15:18:25 <rdeltour> zakim, take up item 5
15:18:25 <Zakim> agendum 5. "Draft Section 5.2 Test Cases https://github.com/w3c/wcag-act/pull/54/files?diff=split" taken up [from Wilco]
15:18:49 <rdeltour> zakim, close item 4
15:18:49 <Zakim> agendum 4, Resolutions of 15 February 2017 - accept meeting minutes https://www.w3.org/2017/02/15-wcag-act-minutes.html, closed
15:18:52 <Zakim> I see 4 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
15:18:52 <Zakim> 5. Draft Section 5.2 Test Cases https://github.com/w3c/wcag-act/pull/54/files?diff=split [from Wilco]
15:19:17 <rdeltour> wilco: no comments
15:19:36 <rdeltour> moe: I incorpororated the feedback
15:19:57 <rdeltour> wilco: could you briefly describe the changes?
15:20:18 <rdeltour> moe: [bad audio]
15:20:58 <rdeltour> moe: wilco had some feedback into the issue of the PR, I added his feedback
15:21:36 <rdeltour> ... the comment was if 1 test passes, then the test passes
15:23:35 <rdeltour> wilco: I don't see the comment on the PR
15:23:50 <maryjom_> https://github.com/w3c/wcag-act/pull/54/files
15:24:19 <rdeltour> wilco: did you start a review and not finish it?
15:24:39 <rdeltour> ... PSA: don't forget to submit your reviews!
15:24:59 <shadi> present+
15:25:17 <rdeltour> maryjom: the comment was "1'test cases', 'test case' - since elsewhere the document we don't mash them together. Note this happens on & off throughout this addition :)"
15:25:36 <rdeltour> ... it's editorial stuff, we should harmonize with other instances
15:25:57 <rdeltour> ... next comment: "Would the description of the error need to point out the failing criteria, if applicable?"
15:26:03 <rdeltour> wilco: do you mean the SC?
15:26:08 <rdeltour> maryjom: yes
15:26:43 <rdeltour> wilco: I would think that when you're reporting you'd want to do that, but it's not be part of the error message itself
15:26:55 <rdeltour> ... we're including the SC info in the metadata itself
15:27:04 <rdeltour> maryjom: at what point is that done then?
15:27:23 <rdeltour> wilco: we have a section on a11y requirements, where you indicate the SC the rule is applicable to
15:27:32 <rdeltour> ... you can do it when you're aggregating or add that to metadata
15:27:48 <rdeltour> ... it's up to whoever is implementing the rule, doesn't need to be part of the rule itself
15:28:01 <rdeltour> maryjom: some people interpret things differently
15:28:44 <rdeltour> ... for example, I was going through a test scenario looking for multimedia; SC 1.1.1  saying you need short descriptions
15:28:54 <rdeltour> ... need accessible alternative, or caption, audio desc, etc
15:29:16 <rdeltour> ... they were failing multiple criteria, munging everything together
15:29:33 <rdeltour> wilco: right, I think we got that covered, by stating which rules goes with which criteria
15:29:45 <rdeltour> ... any other comments on PR #54?
15:30:07 <rdeltour> ... agree to merge?
15:30:08 <rdeltour> +1
15:30:08 <maryjom_> +1
15:30:15 <shadi> +1
15:30:23 <Kathy> +1
15:30:46 <rdeltour> wilco: moe, please go ahead and merge it!
15:30:58 <rdeltour> zakim, take up next
15:30:58 <Zakim> agendum 6. "Availability for tentatively scheduled CSUN F2F meeting https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/93339/ACTTF22Feb2017/results#xq5" taken up [from Wilco]
15:31:27 <rdeltour> wilco: about the CSUN meeting, did I see correctly that we're not gonna have a suite?
15:31:38 <rdeltour> alistair: yes, unfortunately it's double booked
15:31:48 <rdeltour> wilco: we're a fairly large group...
15:32:25 <rdeltour> kathy: we can try a restaurant?
15:32:44 <rdeltour> wilco: who's gonna be there first?
15:33:23 <rdeltour> shadi: I'll be on a meeting on Monday
15:33:48 <rdeltour> ... I'm wondering about maybe the Redfields downstair, it quiets down after lunch time
15:34:00 <rdeltour> wilco: let's try that, and do something else if it doesn't work
15:34:11 <rdeltour> shadi: the bar area also have large tables
15:34:40 <rdeltour> ... I'll try to make a booking at Redfields around 1:00 / 1:30
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15:35:05 <rdeltour> wilco: we're looking at around 8 people
15:35:10 <MoeKraft> present+ MoeKraft
15:35:16 <rdeltour> alistair: what day again?
15:35:22 <rdeltour> shadi: tuesday afternoon
15:35:42 <rdeltour> rdeltour: I suppose it means there won't be a remote option?
15:35:48 <rdeltour> wilco: correct
15:36:20 <rdeltour> ... just to clarify, it's not an official meeting, I just want to come up with a proposal for a plan to publish the draft
15:36:27 <rdeltour> ... and talk about the test case suite
15:36:47 <rdeltour> ... put some things in place for prototyping, very practical get-some-work-done things
15:37:04 <rdeltour> zakim, take up next
15:37:04 <Zakim> agendum 7. "Open Issues in Github https://github.com/w3c/wcag-act/issues" taken up [from Wilco]
15:37:43 <rdeltour> wilco: I just created an abstract in a new PR
15:37:54 <rdeltour> ... we can get that on the agenda for tomorrow
15:38:00 <Wilco> https://github.com/w3c/wcag-act/pull/58
15:38:12 <Wilco> https://github.com/w3c/wcag-act/pull/57
15:38:32 <rdeltour> wilco: if you don't mind reviewing the above PR for tomorrow, please do
15:38:46 <rdeltour> ... these are the last 2 things that we need to go through before having a draft readt
15:38:50 <rdeltour> s/readt/ready/
15:39:08 <rdeltour> wilco: no need for a survey, we can do an email
15:39:43 <rdeltour> third issue on the list is Benchmark, issue #38
15:39:53 <rdeltour> topic: issue #38 Generate content for 7.3 Accuracy Benchmarking
15:40:11 <rdeltour> wilco: let's look at that tomorrow as well
15:40:42 <rdeltour> ... issue #35 "Managing exception" I think we merged that
15:41:06 <rdeltour> maryjom: I think it was on last week's survey
15:41:15 <rdeltour> wilco: can be closed
15:41:31 <rdeltour> ... issue #34 "Rule aggregation" has moved to Benchmarking
15:41:53 <rdeltour> ... issue #39, #27, #26 were all resolved, we can close theses
15:42:06 <rdeltour> ... moe, an update on the Contributors' document?
15:42:20 <rdeltour> moe: yes, I made some updates
15:42:31 <rdeltour> ... I sent out an email to the group to see if there any objections
15:42:44 <rdeltour> ... just recevied an email from Wilco saying he's approving the PR
15:43:00 <rdeltour> wilco: the Copyright issue #14 is still open
15:43:05 <rdeltour> shadi: it's on me
15:43:18 <rdeltour> wilco: how is it gonna work for us when we move the FPWD?
15:43:35 <rdeltour> shadi: the copyrtight stuff is just boilerplate
15:44:08 <rdeltour> ... the status of the doc is typically done by staff with input from chair or facilitators, it explains what's new and what to look for
15:44:20 <rdeltour> ... maybe you should come up with 2/3 questions we'd like to have covered
15:44:33 <rdeltour> ... what do you expect from reviewers?
15:44:51 <rdeltour> ... all the rest, the admin stuff, is all done by me but we'll need WG approval first
15:45:15 <rdeltour> ... right now may not be best time
15:45:46 <MoeKraft> I have to drop. See everyone next week.
15:45:47 <rdeltour> ... rigth after CSUN, we should get on the meeting and talk to the chairs to ask what the want
15:46:08 <rdeltour> wilco: I really want to make sure that the doc is ready for review after CSUN
15:46:29 <rdeltour> alistair: can I ask how we can access the HTML of the built document?
15:46:39 <rdeltour> wilco: moe just made that yesterday
15:46:57 <rdeltour> shadi: you can get that on  github.io
15:47:11 <Wilco> https://w3c.github.io/wcag-act/act-framework-FPWD-proposed-2017-02-20.html
15:47:16 <rdeltour> wilco: we have a build sitting at the URL above
15:47:25 <rdeltour> ... I will update it today
15:47:50 <rdeltour> ... and send the link to everyone, with the abstract and all the stuff we discussed today
15:48:20 <rdeltour> wilco: we should be ready with our 1st draft tomorrow!
15:48:31 <rdeltour> shadi: great work everybody!
15:49:20 <rdeltour> wilco: then meeting closed! talk to you tomorrow
15:49:30 <shadi> trackbot, end meeting
15:49:30 <trackbot> Zakim, list attendees
15:49:30 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been Wilco, rdeltour, MaryJoMueller, Kathy, shadi, MoeKraft
15:49:38 <trackbot> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
15:49:38 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2017/02/22-wcag-act-minutes.html trackbot
15:49:39 <trackbot> RRSAgent, bye
15:49:39 <RRSAgent> I see no action items