IRC log of wcag-act on 2017-02-22
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- RRSAgent, make logs public
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- Zakim, this will be
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- I don't understand 'this will be', trackbot
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- Meeting: Accessibility Conformance Testing Teleconference
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- Date: 22 February 2017
- 14:47:07 [Wilco]
- agenda?
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- agenda+ Previous week's survey results (from Feb. 8) https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/93339/ACTTF8Feb2017/results
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- agenda+ Draft section 6.1 Output Data https://github.com/w3c/wcag-act/pull/41/files?diff=split
- 14:48:27 [Wilco]
- agenda+ Draft section 4.2 Accessibility Support Data https://github.com/w3c/wcag-act/pull/32/files?diff=split
- 14:48:29 [Wilco]
- agenda+ Draft section 6.2 Rule Aggregation https://github.com/w3c/wcag-act/pull/46/files?diff=split
- 14:48:31 [Wilco]
- agenda+ Current week's survey results https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/93339/ACTTF15Feb2017/results
- 14:48:33 [Wilco]
- agenda+ Resolutions of 9 Feb. 2017 meeting https://www.w3.org/2017/02/08-wcag-act-minutes.html
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- agenda+ Draft Section 7.1 Managing Exceptions https://github.com/w3c/wcag-act/pull/51/files?diff=split
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- agenda+ Extra meetings to get spec ready for FPWD by CSUN
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- agenda+ Progress on issues assigned last week - ready to survey?
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- agenda+ Open Issues in Github https://github.com/w3c/wcag-act/issues
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- agenda+ Next meeting: February 22
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- agenda?
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- 15:04:57 [rdeltour]
- trackbot, start meeting
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- RRSAgent, make logs public
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- Zakim, this will be
- 15:05:03 [trackbot]
- Meeting: Accessibility Conformance Testing Teleconference
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- Date: 22 February 2017
- 15:05:03 [Zakim]
- I don't understand 'this will be', trackbot
- 15:05:15 [rdeltour]
- scribe: Romain
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- scribenick: rdeltour
- 15:05:34 [Wilco]
- present+
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- present+
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- agenda+ Previous week's survey results (from Feb. 15)
- 15:05:59 [maryjom_]
- present+ MaryJoMueller
- 15:06:10 [rdeltour]
- agenda+ Draft Section 7.1 Managing Exceptions
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- agenda+ Current week's survey results
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- agenda+ Resolutions of 15 February 2017 - accept meeting minutes
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- agenda+ Draft Section 5.2 Test Cases
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- agenda+ Availability for tentatively scheduled CSUN F2F meeting
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- zakim, take up next
- 15:07:33 [Zakim]
- agendum 1. "Previous week's survey results (from Feb. 8) https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/93339/ACTTF8Feb2017/results" taken up [from Wilco]
- 15:08:26 [rdeltour]
- agenda?
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- last week's survey:
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- https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/93339/ACTTF15Feb2017/results
- 15:10:32 [Wilco]
- zakim, clear agenda
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- agenda cleared
- 15:10:55 [Wilco]
- agenda+ Previous week's survey results (from Feb. 15) https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/93339/ACTTF15Feb2017/results
- 15:11:13 [Wilco]
- agenda+ Draft Section 7.1 Managing Exceptions https://github.com/w3c/wcag-act/pull/51/files?diff=split
- 15:11:18 [rdeltour]
- zakim, take up next
- 15:11:18 [Zakim]
- agendum 2. "Draft Section 7.1 Managing Exceptions https://github.com/w3c/wcag-act/pull/51/files?diff=split" taken up [from Wilco]
- 15:11:20 [Wilco]
- agenda+ Current week's survey results https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/93339/ACTTF22Feb2017/results
- 15:11:30 [Wilco]
- agenda+ Resolutions of 15 February 2017 - accept meeting minutes https://www.w3.org/2017/02/15-wcag-act-minutes.html
- 15:11:41 [Wilco]
- agenda+ Draft Section 5.2 Test Cases https://github.com/w3c/wcag-act/pull/54/files?diff=split
- 15:11:51 [Wilco]
- agenda+ Availability for tentatively scheduled CSUN F2F meeting https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/93339/ACTTF22Feb2017/results#xq5
- 15:12:03 [Wilco]
- agenda+ Open Issues in Github https://github.com/w3c/wcag-act/issues
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- agenda+ Upcoming meetings: Tomorrow - February 23 & CSUN (tentatively Feb. 28)
- 15:13:02 [rdeltour]
- wilco: we were on the agenda AG WG yesterday, but we didn't reach that part of the call
- 15:13:03 [Kathy]
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- wilco: alistair, anything you wanted to add?
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- ag: no, probably not
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- zakim, take up next
- 15:13:43 [Zakim]
- agendum 3. "Current week's survey results https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/93339/ACTTF22Feb2017/results" taken up [from Wilco]
- 15:14:10 [Wilco]
- zakim, take up item 2
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- agendum 2. "Draft Section 7.1 Managing Exceptions https://github.com/w3c/wcag-act/pull/51/files?diff=split" taken up [from Wilco]
- 15:14:50 [Kathy]
- present+ Kathy
- 15:15:12 [rdeltour]
- wilco: 0 comments on this, approved?
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- [crickets]
- 15:15:55 [rdeltour]
- wilco: there were a couple updates since the last time we looked
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- wilco: any objections to merging?
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- [none heard]
- 15:16:18 [rdeltour]
- +1
- 15:16:18 [Kathy]
- +1
- 15:16:23 [maryjom_]
- +1
- 15:16:27 [agarrison]
- +1
- 15:16:40 [rdeltour]
- zakim, take up item 3
- 15:16:40 [Zakim]
- agendum 3. "Current week's survey results https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/93339/ACTTF22Feb2017/results" taken up [from Wilco]
- 15:17:28 [rdeltour]
- wilco: no comments on last week's minutes. minutes approved!
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- zakim, take up next
- 15:17:42 [Zakim]
- agendum 4. "Resolutions of 15 February 2017 - accept meeting minutes https://www.w3.org/2017/02/15-wcag-act-minutes.html" taken up [from Wilco]
- 15:18:00 [rdeltour]
- zakim, take up next
- 15:18:00 [Zakim]
- agendum 4 was just opened, rdeltour
- 15:18:12 [rdeltour]
- zakim, take up item 4
- 15:18:12 [Zakim]
- agendum 4. "Resolutions of 15 February 2017 - accept meeting minutes https://www.w3.org/2017/02/15-wcag-act-minutes.html" taken up [from Wilco]
- 15:18:25 [rdeltour]
- zakim, take up item 5
- 15:18:25 [Zakim]
- agendum 5. "Draft Section 5.2 Test Cases https://github.com/w3c/wcag-act/pull/54/files?diff=split" taken up [from Wilco]
- 15:18:49 [rdeltour]
- zakim, close item 4
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- agendum 4, Resolutions of 15 February 2017 - accept meeting minutes https://www.w3.org/2017/02/15-wcag-act-minutes.html, closed
- 15:18:52 [Zakim]
- I see 4 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
- 15:18:52 [Zakim]
- 5. Draft Section 5.2 Test Cases https://github.com/w3c/wcag-act/pull/54/files?diff=split [from Wilco]
- 15:19:17 [rdeltour]
- wilco: no comments
- 15:19:36 [rdeltour]
- moe: I incorpororated the feedback
- 15:19:57 [rdeltour]
- wilco: could you briefly describe the changes?
- 15:20:18 [rdeltour]
- moe: [bad audio]
- 15:20:58 [rdeltour]
- moe: wilco had some feedback into the issue of the PR, I added his feedback
- 15:21:36 [rdeltour]
- ... the comment was if 1 test passes, then the test passes
- 15:23:35 [rdeltour]
- wilco: I don't see the comment on the PR
- 15:23:50 [maryjom_]
- https://github.com/w3c/wcag-act/pull/54/files
- 15:24:19 [rdeltour]
- wilco: did you start a review and not finish it?
- 15:24:39 [rdeltour]
- ... PSA: don't forget to submit your reviews!
- 15:24:59 [shadi]
- present+
- 15:25:17 [rdeltour]
- maryjom: the comment was "1'test cases', 'test case' - since elsewhere the document we don't mash them together. Note this happens on & off throughout this addition :)"
- 15:25:36 [rdeltour]
- ... it's editorial stuff, we should harmonize with other instances
- 15:25:57 [rdeltour]
- ... next comment: "Would the description of the error need to point out the failing criteria, if applicable?"
- 15:26:03 [rdeltour]
- wilco: do you mean the SC?
- 15:26:08 [rdeltour]
- maryjom: yes
- 15:26:43 [rdeltour]
- wilco: I would think that when you're reporting you'd want to do that, but it's not be part of the error message itself
- 15:26:55 [rdeltour]
- ... we're including the SC info in the metadata itself
- 15:27:04 [rdeltour]
- maryjom: at what point is that done then?
- 15:27:23 [rdeltour]
- wilco: we have a section on a11y requirements, where you indicate the SC the rule is applicable to
- 15:27:32 [rdeltour]
- ... you can do it when you're aggregating or add that to metadata
- 15:27:48 [rdeltour]
- ... it's up to whoever is implementing the rule, doesn't need to be part of the rule itself
- 15:28:01 [rdeltour]
- maryjom: some people interpret things differently
- 15:28:44 [rdeltour]
- ... for example, I was going through a test scenario looking for multimedia; SC 1.1.1 saying you need short descriptions
- 15:28:54 [rdeltour]
- ... need accessible alternative, or caption, audio desc, etc
- 15:29:16 [rdeltour]
- ... they were failing multiple criteria, munging everything together
- 15:29:33 [rdeltour]
- wilco: right, I think we got that covered, by stating which rules goes with which criteria
- 15:29:45 [rdeltour]
- ... any other comments on PR #54?
- 15:30:07 [rdeltour]
- ... agree to merge?
- 15:30:08 [rdeltour]
- +1
- 15:30:08 [maryjom_]
- +1
- 15:30:15 [shadi]
- +1
- 15:30:23 [Kathy]
- +1
- 15:30:46 [rdeltour]
- wilco: moe, please go ahead and merge it!
- 15:30:58 [rdeltour]
- zakim, take up next
- 15:30:58 [Zakim]
- agendum 6. "Availability for tentatively scheduled CSUN F2F meeting https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/93339/ACTTF22Feb2017/results#xq5" taken up [from Wilco]
- 15:31:27 [rdeltour]
- wilco: about the CSUN meeting, did I see correctly that we're not gonna have a suite?
- 15:31:38 [rdeltour]
- alistair: yes, unfortunately it's double booked
- 15:31:48 [rdeltour]
- wilco: we're a fairly large group...
- 15:32:25 [rdeltour]
- kathy: we can try a restaurant?
- 15:32:44 [rdeltour]
- wilco: who's gonna be there first?
- 15:33:23 [rdeltour]
- shadi: I'll be on a meeting on Monday
- 15:33:48 [rdeltour]
- ... I'm wondering about maybe the Redfields downstair, it quiets down after lunch time
- 15:34:00 [rdeltour]
- wilco: let's try that, and do something else if it doesn't work
- 15:34:11 [rdeltour]
- shadi: the bar area also have large tables
- 15:34:40 [rdeltour]
- ... I'll try to make a booking at Redfields around 1:00 / 1:30
- 15:34:59 [MoeKraft]
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- 15:35:05 [rdeltour]
- wilco: we're looking at around 8 people
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- present+ MoeKraft
- 15:35:16 [rdeltour]
- alistair: what day again?
- 15:35:22 [rdeltour]
- shadi: tuesday afternoon
- 15:35:42 [rdeltour]
- rdeltour: I suppose it means there won't be a remote option?
- 15:35:48 [rdeltour]
- wilco: correct
- 15:36:20 [rdeltour]
- ... just to clarify, it's not an official meeting, I just want to come up with a proposal for a plan to publish the draft
- 15:36:27 [rdeltour]
- ... and talk about the test case suite
- 15:36:47 [rdeltour]
- ... put some things in place for prototyping, very practical get-some-work-done things
- 15:37:04 [rdeltour]
- zakim, take up next
- 15:37:04 [Zakim]
- agendum 7. "Open Issues in Github https://github.com/w3c/wcag-act/issues" taken up [from Wilco]
- 15:37:43 [rdeltour]
- wilco: I just created an abstract in a new PR
- 15:37:54 [rdeltour]
- ... we can get that on the agenda for tomorrow
- 15:38:00 [Wilco]
- https://github.com/w3c/wcag-act/pull/58
- 15:38:12 [Wilco]
- https://github.com/w3c/wcag-act/pull/57
- 15:38:32 [rdeltour]
- wilco: if you don't mind reviewing the above PR for tomorrow, please do
- 15:38:46 [rdeltour]
- ... these are the last 2 things that we need to go through before having a draft readt
- 15:38:50 [rdeltour]
- s/readt/ready/
- 15:39:08 [rdeltour]
- wilco: no need for a survey, we can do an email
- 15:39:43 [rdeltour]
- third issue on the list is Benchmark, issue #38
- 15:39:53 [rdeltour]
- topic: issue #38 Generate content for 7.3 Accuracy Benchmarking
- 15:40:11 [rdeltour]
- wilco: let's look at that tomorrow as well
- 15:40:42 [rdeltour]
- ... issue #35 "Managing exception" I think we merged that
- 15:41:06 [rdeltour]
- maryjom: I think it was on last week's survey
- 15:41:15 [rdeltour]
- wilco: can be closed
- 15:41:31 [rdeltour]
- ... issue #34 "Rule aggregation" has moved to Benchmarking
- 15:41:53 [rdeltour]
- ... issue #39, #27, #26 were all resolved, we can close theses
- 15:42:06 [rdeltour]
- ... moe, an update on the Contributors' document?
- 15:42:20 [rdeltour]
- moe: yes, I made some updates
- 15:42:31 [rdeltour]
- ... I sent out an email to the group to see if there any objections
- 15:42:44 [rdeltour]
- ... just recevied an email from Wilco saying he's approving the PR
- 15:43:00 [rdeltour]
- wilco: the Copyright issue #14 is still open
- 15:43:05 [rdeltour]
- shadi: it's on me
- 15:43:18 [rdeltour]
- wilco: how is it gonna work for us when we move the FPWD?
- 15:43:35 [rdeltour]
- shadi: the copyrtight stuff is just boilerplate
- 15:44:08 [rdeltour]
- ... the status of the doc is typically done by staff with input from chair or facilitators, it explains what's new and what to look for
- 15:44:20 [rdeltour]
- ... maybe you should come up with 2/3 questions we'd like to have covered
- 15:44:33 [rdeltour]
- ... what do you expect from reviewers?
- 15:44:51 [rdeltour]
- ... all the rest, the admin stuff, is all done by me but we'll need WG approval first
- 15:45:15 [rdeltour]
- ... right now may not be best time
- 15:45:46 [MoeKraft]
- I have to drop. See everyone next week.
- 15:45:47 [rdeltour]
- ... rigth after CSUN, we should get on the meeting and talk to the chairs to ask what the want
- 15:46:08 [rdeltour]
- wilco: I really want to make sure that the doc is ready for review after CSUN
- 15:46:29 [rdeltour]
- alistair: can I ask how we can access the HTML of the built document?
- 15:46:39 [rdeltour]
- wilco: moe just made that yesterday
- 15:46:57 [rdeltour]
- shadi: you can get that on github.io
- 15:47:11 [Wilco]
- https://w3c.github.io/wcag-act/act-framework-FPWD-proposed-2017-02-20.html
- 15:47:16 [rdeltour]
- wilco: we have a build sitting at the URL above
- 15:47:25 [rdeltour]
- ... I will update it today
- 15:47:50 [rdeltour]
- ... and send the link to everyone, with the abstract and all the stuff we discussed today
- 15:48:20 [rdeltour]
- wilco: we should be ready with our 1st draft tomorrow!
- 15:48:31 [rdeltour]
- shadi: great work everybody!
- 15:49:20 [rdeltour]
- wilco: then meeting closed! talk to you tomorrow
- 15:49:30 [shadi]
- trackbot, end meeting
- 15:49:30 [trackbot]
- Zakim, list attendees
- 15:49:30 [Zakim]
- As of this point the attendees have been Wilco, rdeltour, MaryJoMueller, Kathy, shadi, MoeKraft
- 15:49:38 [trackbot]
- RRSAgent, please draft minutes
- 15:49:38 [RRSAgent]
- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2017/02/22-wcag-act-minutes.html trackbot
- 15:49:39 [trackbot]
- RRSAgent, bye
- 15:49:39 [RRSAgent]
- I see no action items