IRC log of coga on 2017-02-20

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Meeting: Cognitive Accessibility Task Force Teleconference
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Date: 20 February 2017
16:44:44 [Lisa_Seeman]
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agenda: this
16:50:14 [Lisa_Seeman]
agenda+ next weeks call
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agenda+ Top priority Sc's
16:50:17 [Lisa_Seeman]
agenda: Lang (issue 30), personalization and help
16:50:19 [Lisa_Seeman]
agenda+ review SC, status: https://rawgit.com/w3c/coga/master/extension/status.html, mess with pull requests thta are still under discusioninstuctions: https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/wiki/SC_Managers_Phase1, issues: https://github.com/w3c/wcag21/issues?q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+label%3ACOGApull">https://github.com/w3c/wcag21/issues?q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+label%3ACOGApull requests: https://github.com/w3c/wcag21/issues?q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+label%3ACOGA
16:50:21 [Lisa_Seeman]
agenda+ be done
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Present+ Pietro
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present+ alastairc
17:06:25 [Lisa_Seeman]
scribe: Jim_S
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17:06:28 [kirkwood]
present+ kirkwood
17:06:35 [Lisa_Seeman]
present+ Lisa
17:06:36 [maryjom]
present+MaryJoMueller
17:06:42 [Jan]
present+ Jan McSorley
17:07:00 [Mike_Pluke]
present+ Mike Pluke
17:07:43 [Jan]
I was not aware that there was a draft for 2.1
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present+ Jim_S
17:09:22 [Jim_S]
Lisa expressed concern about the notification of the requiremnts for reviewing the editor's draft
17:09:59 [Lisa_Seeman]
https://rawgit.com/w3c/wcag21/FPWD_review/guidelines/index.html#
17:11:31 [Jim_S]
Lisa commented that there appear to only be 6 COGA SC in the list
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+Present Thaddeus
17:15:07 [Jim_S]
Michael Cooper explained that the pull requests were possible in deciding which SC made the list, the using the version at the top of the list. SC that seemd to be editorially robust were included.
17:18:06 [Jim_S]
Michael Cooper listed the 8 COGA SC added
17:18:44 [Jim_S]
Lisa asked can we request changes to the selected COGA SC
17:20:09 [Jim_S]
Lisa feels "Support personalisation" and "accessible authentication" are more important for feedback
17:20:10 [Lisa_Seeman]
q?
17:21:00 [Jim_S]
Michale Cooper suggested that, if they were flagged as important they may have been excluded as they were not of editorial quality yet.
17:21:28 [Lisa_Seeman]
https://rawgit.com/w3c/coga/master/extension/status.html
17:22:01 [Lisa_Seeman]
https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-cognitive-a11y-tf/2017Feb/0199.html
17:25:27 [Jim_S]
Mike Pluke felt that the amount of dispute around accessible authentication and support personalisation may have been the reason for them not being included.
17:26:25 [Jim_S]
Mike Pluke feels that the Manageable blocks should have been included as the final version was not considered due to it being at the end of the document
17:27:15 [Jim_S]
Lisa suggets that all feedback should be included in GitHub to keep all information in one place
17:28:07 [Jim_S]
Discussion on how to improve reviewing issues will be done after CSUN
17:32:39 [Jim_S]
Michale Cooper suggests that we publish monthly after FPWD
17:32:53 [Lisa_Seeman]
https://github.com/w3c/wcag21/issues/23
17:35:20 [Jim_S]
Should https://github.com/w3c/wcag21/issues/23 be added as a proposal with a note that further work on the wording is required?
17:35:51 [Mike_Pluke]
-1
17:37:41 [alastairc]
https://github.com/w3c/wcag21/issues/24#issuecomment-277750603
17:37:42 [Thaddeus]
Is it possible for us to review the list during the day so we can be careful with our decisions or is there not enough time
17:38:02 [Jim_S]
Should Manageable blocks be added as a proposal based on the fact that the final wording wasn't assessed? https://github.com/w3c/wcag21/issues/24
17:38:34 [Mike_Pluke]
Statements which instruct a user to make a choice or take an action: have only one instruction per sentence, except when two things have to be done simultaneously; use sentences of no more than 15 words; should have no more than one relative pronoun per sentence. Glossary entry: Relative pronouns are any of the words "who", "whom", "that", "which", "whose", "where", "when" and "why".
17:41:56 [Jim_S]
https://rawgit.com/w3c/wcag21/FPWD_review/guidelines/index.html#minimize-user-errors
17:44:17 [Jim_S]
Lisa - we need to ensure that when SC are split up we do not lose important parts of the original SC
17:46:26 [Mike_Pluke]
+1
17:46:31 [Lisa_Seeman]
+1
17:46:32 [kirkwood]
+1
17:46:33 [maryjom]
+1
17:46:38 [Jim_S]
+1
17:46:39 [alastairc]
+1 (I can do a pull request if that helps?)
17:46:50 [Jan]
+1
17:47:02 [Jim_S]
Above consensus was for including Manageable blocks
17:47:59 [Lisa_Seeman]
Support personalization: Contextual information and author settable properties of regions and elements are programatically determinable so that personalization is available.
17:48:00 [Lisa_Seeman]
Where the number of steps in a process can be reduced, the user can control the trade off between function and simplification.
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Exception: Information does not need to be exposed when there is not a standardized way of exposing it in the technology or the platform.
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17:48:41 [Lisa_Seeman]
Support personalization (minimum) : Contextual information and author settable properties of regions and critical features and important information are programatically determinable so that personalization is available.
17:50:46 [Pietro]
+1 for Manageable blocks
17:51:01 [Lisa_Seeman]
+1 for support personlization
17:51:11 [Pietro]
+1 for support personlization
17:51:35 [Jim_S]
+1 for support personalisation being included
17:51:53 [Mike_Pluke]
+1 for support personalisation being included
17:52:08 [Thaddeus]
+1
17:52:20 [kirkwood]
+1 for support personalization
17:52:58 [Jan]
+1 for support personalization
17:53:04 [alastairc]
won't object, but will note that personalisation will get a lot of push back from developers, so it needs to be really solid.
17:54:37 [kirkwood]
familiar design can live with taking it out
17:56:59 [Lisa_Seeman]
subsuitie if needed : Familiar Design (Minimum), extra symbols
17:57:27 [Jim_S]
CFC: we trade-off familiar design and extra symbols in this order if required
17:57:38 [Lisa_Seeman]
+1
17:57:42 [Jim_S]
+1
17:57:58 [Mike_Pluke]
I'm OK to trade familiar design and extra symbols
17:58:09 [Mike_Pluke]
+1
17:58:14 [kirkwood]
+1
17:58:41 [maryjom]
+1
17:58:44 [MichaelC]
present+
17:58:45 [Pietro]
extra symbols is very important for me
18:00:23 [Pietro]
extra symbols are for some users unique way to access
18:03:31 [Jim_S]
Lisa changes vote to support extra symbols rather than manageable blocks
18:05:00 [Jan]
+1 to symbols and personalization
18:05:05 [kirkwood]
actually think chage managbel bocks to xtra symbols
18:06:07 [Lisa_Seeman]
subsuitie if needed : Familiar Design (Minimum), for personlization
18:08:16 [Pietro]
thank you
18:08:57 [Jan]
I need to drop
18:10:09 [Lisa_Seeman]
http://doodle.com/poll/nt2634gek2quykn9
18:13:21 [Jim_S]
circle back to plain language
18:13:28 [Lisa_Seeman]
Simple, clear, and common words: Use the the most common 1500 words or phrases or, provide words, phrases or abbreviations that are the are most-common form to refer to the concept in the current context.
18:15:07 [Lisa_Seeman]
Simple, clear, and common words: Use the the most common 1500 words or phrases or, provide words, phrases or abbreviations that are the are most-common form or provide a glosary definition
18:19:33 [Lisa_Seeman]
Simple, clear, and common words: Use the the most common 1500 words or phrases or, provide words, phrases or abbreviations that are the are most-common form to refer to the concept or provide a glossary definition
18:23:49 [Jim_S]
https://github.com/w3c/wcag21/issues/30
18:23:54 [Lisa_Seeman]
Simple, clear, and common words: Use the the most common 1500 words or phrases or, provide words, phrases or abbreviations that are the are most-common form to refer to the concept in the identified context.
18:23:56 [Lisa_Seeman]
identified context - context and word list for the context that has been idetified in an accessibilty statment or other known techneque
18:29:33 [Lisa_Seeman]
identified context - context and word frequency list for the context that has been identified in an accessibility statment or other known technique. A word frquency list has to be generated from at least 1000 sources from the same context
18:39:27 [Lisa_Seeman]
identified context - context and a context specific word frequency list (and glossary) has been identified in an accessibility statement or other known technique. A word frequency list has to be generated from at least 1000 sources from the same context or how ever many pages can reasonably be found
18:42:39 [Lisa_Seeman]
Simple, clear, and common words: Use the the most common 1500 words or phrases or, provide words, phrases or abbreviations that are the most-common form to refer to the concept in the identified context.
18:45:22 [Lisa_Seeman]
+1 for this draft
18:45:33 [Jim_S]
+1 for this draft
18:45:45 [Mike_Pluke]
+1 for this draft
19:02:07 [Lisa_Seeman]
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rrsagent, create minutes
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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2017/02/20-coga-minutes.html Lisa_Seeman
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zakim, please part
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leaving. As of this point the attendees have been Pietro, alastairc, kirkwood, Lisa, MaryJoMueller, Jan, McSorley, Mike, Pluke, Jim_S, MichaelC
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I see no action items