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16:25:57 <Lisa_Seeman> trackbot, start meeting
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16:26:03 <trackbot> Meeting: Cognitive Accessibility Task Force Teleconference
16:26:03 <trackbot> Date: 13 February 2017
16:26:03 <Zakim> ok, trackbot
16:26:06 <Lisa_Seeman> rrsagent, make logs public
16:28:19 <Lisa_Seeman> agenda: this
16:28:20 <Lisa_Seeman>  agenda+ review SC,
16:28:22 <Lisa_Seeman>  status: https://rawgit.com/w3c/coga/master/extension/status.html,
16:28:23 <Lisa_Seeman> instuctions: https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/wiki/SC_Managers_Phase1,
16:28:25 <Lisa_Seeman> issues: https://github.com/w3c/wcag21/issues?q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+label%3ACOGA
16:28:26 <Lisa_Seeman> pull requests: https://github.com/w3c/wcag21/issues?q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+label%3ACOGA
16:28:28 <Lisa_Seeman> agenda+ What have we missed for issues page
16:28:29 <Lisa_Seeman> agenda+ be done
16:29:20 <Lisa_Seeman> regrets: EA, Jim, Mike
16:29:39 <Lisa_Seeman> Agenda + ideas for process
16:30:44 <Lisa_Seeman> Agenda + https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/cognitive-a11y-tf/wiki/Implementations
16:31:11 <Lisa_Seeman> zakim, remove item 3
16:31:11 <Zakim> agendum 3, be done, dropped
16:56:39 <Lisa_Seeman> zakim, next item
16:56:39 <Zakim> agendum 1. "review SC," taken up [from Lisa_Seeman]
16:56:54 <Lisa_Seeman> regrets: EA, Mike, Jim
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17:06:12 <Lisa_Seeman> no quarum
17:07:29 <Pietro> Present+ Pietro
17:07:30 <Lisa_Seeman> we are just adressing the issues
17:07:41 <Lisa_Seeman> zakim, next issue
17:07:41 <Zakim> I don't understand 'next issue', Lisa_Seeman
17:07:56 <Lisa_Seeman> zakim, next issue
17:07:56 <Zakim> I don't understand 'next issue', Lisa_Seeman
17:07:58 <Jim_S> Present +1 Jim_S
17:08:35 <Lisa_Seeman> zakim, next item
17:08:35 <Zakim> agendum 2. "What have we missed for issues page" taken up [from Lisa_Seeman]
17:08:51 <Lisa_Seeman> this is from last week ?
17:08:57 <Lisa_Seeman> this is from last week ?
17:09:00 <Lisa_Seeman> zakim, next item
17:09:00 <Zakim> agendum 2 was just opened, Lisa_Seeman
17:10:16 <Lisa_Seeman> scribe:  alastairc
17:10:28 <Lisa_Seeman> scribe:  alastairc
17:10:30 <Lisa_Seeman> zakim, next item
17:10:30 <Zakim> agendum 4. "ideas for process" taken up [from Lisa_Seeman]
17:10:53 <Lisa_Seeman> topic: Jim SC
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17:11:10 <Thaddeus> +present Thaddeus
17:11:48 <alastairc> Jim: Have some technical issues editing in github, as not the issue creator. Will become more of an issue later.
17:12:39 <alastairc> Jim: It was after the PR, when people engaged.
17:13:09 <alastairc> Janina: Haven't closed the issue.
17:13:46 <alastairc> AC: I think the creator or Josh/Andrew needs to close the issue.
17:15:12 <alastairc> Lisa_Seeman: We've got comments from people on the survey based on old issues, we do need to close them.
17:15:13 <MichaelC> present+
17:15:24 <alastairc> present+
17:15:53 <alastairc> Jim_S: Difficult to read the raw code.
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17:16:47 <alastairc> MichaelC: Looking at solutions to this, so people don't have to read code, but don't have anything yet.
17:16:49 <Lisa_Seeman> present+
17:17:10 <slim> present+
17:17:17 <slim>  (evenutally!!!!)
17:17:53 <alastairc> Lisa_Seeman: The button to close an issue is at the bottom when you have permission.
17:18:04 <kirkwood> present+
17:18:34 <Lisa_Seeman> https://rawgit.com/w3c/coga/master/extension/status.html
17:19:22 <alastairc> Lisa_Seeman: I'm trying to keep the status table up to date, it can be a day or two behind but it's a good source of the current status. Any pull requests, please let me know so I can put them in.
17:20:27 <alastairc> Lisa_Seeman: I've offered to do pull requests, please let me know if you need help with that.
17:21:34 <janina> present+
17:22:16 <alastairc> Lisa_Seeman: Most important at this stage is building consensus, if you get stuck on wording that is a trickier issue than the technical aspects.
17:22:30 <alastairc> Lisa_Seeman: Is anyone stuck on wording?
17:22:32 <Lisa_Seeman> q?
17:23:47 <Lisa_Seeman> https://github.com/w3c/wcag21/issues/27
17:23:58 <Lisa_Seeman> https://github.com/w3c/wcag21/issues/56
17:24:09 <alastairc> Lisa_Seeman: Have some which are quite high priority, but no SC manager.
17:24:50 <slim> Lisa I'll take one
17:25:10 <slim> sorry yes me
17:25:38 <alastairc> Lisa_Seeman: Yes - it is Steve. Will take 56.
17:27:46 <alastairc> Steve: Yes I can take that.
17:28:16 <alastairc> Lisa_Seeman: We can catch up this week to discuss it.
17:28:27 <Thaddeus> who is that talking
17:28:34 <Thaddeus> I might be able to help
17:28:49 <Thaddeus> i gave a list of open pull requests
17:29:08 <Lisa_Seeman> https://rawgit.com/w3c/coga/master/extension/status.html
17:29:42 <alastairc> Lisa_Seeman: Please ping Josh/AWK, let him know the PRs were made.
17:30:42 <alastairc> alastairc: I'll take 27, does it relate to others?
17:31:42 <alastairc> Lisa_Seeman: Not really, they were broken down from a larger one.
17:32:29 <alastairc> Lisa_Seeman: Maybe taking on section heading (#40) would be another good one to tackle.
17:35:19 <alastairc> Lisa_Seeman: We were going to add a bullet point to #49 for design patterns unless it is a standardised technique?
17:35:39 <alastairc> Lisa_Seeman: What should we do, with updating pull requests?
17:36:14 <alastairc> MichaelC: We do need people to be looking at the same thing when it is being reviewed.
17:37:09 <alastairc> MichaelC: It is difficult, we try to accomodate a variety of comms methods in many regions, but it does make things more confusing.
17:37:50 <alastairc> Lisa_Seeman: So at the moment - we can write to the WCAG list, and say for issue #49, there is a change.
17:39:09 <alastairc> MichaelC: The intent has been to keep it in github, but it hasn't been working out that way.
17:39:21 <alastairc> MichaelC: Yes, you can email WCAG and highlight the change.
17:40:11 <Lisa_Seeman> please look at 46 , 34 and comments
17:40:20 <alastairc> Lisa_Seeman: Are you ok with getting the pull requests in? (JohnK) So I can ask for people to look at #46 and #34. These are open ones with a good time to comment.
17:40:43 <alastairc> Lisa_Seeman: Answering those comments will be challenging, so good to look at tomorrow.
17:41:37 <Lisa_Seeman> q?
17:42:03 <Lisa_Seeman> zakim, next item
17:42:03 <Zakim> agendum 5. "https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/cognitive-a11y-tf/wiki/Implementations" taken up [from Lisa_Seeman]
17:42:15 <alastairc> Lisa_Seeman: What would we like in the process that would make it work for us?
17:42:52 <slim> +1000
17:43:00 <alastairc> Lisa_Seeman: I'd like 1 person to do pull requests, they act as that person. It has wasted a lot of time and created frustration for us.
17:44:17 <alastairc> ... For each TF, or maybe as a whole, we do 2 or 3 in parallel, focus on them. We have a WCAG or sub-group call, and focus on those. It is impossible to track the comments on everything in parallel. If we focus on 3/week, that makes it clearer & easier
17:44:35 <alastairc> ... everyone can chip in and contribute for that one.
17:44:53 <alastairc> Lisa_Seeman: So we collect the issues and focus on them.
17:45:34 <Lisa_Seeman> q?
17:45:39 <alastairc> q+
17:45:45 <Lisa_Seeman> ack a
17:46:08 <Jan> present+
17:48:08 <alastairc> alastairc: Having 1 person doing all the submissions creates a bottleneck, that's ok, but if other people do know how to use it then for them it's better not to have the bottleneck.
17:49:16 <alastairc> Lisa_Seeman: It's a complex system, we're not going to get good feedback from people on cognitive issues if it is so complex.
17:50:06 <alastairc> Thaddeus: Noted issue where some PRs went into the wrong place.
17:51:19 <alastairc> Thaddeus: If I submit them, I'm not the manager right?
17:52:22 <alastairc> Thaddeus: Comments need to be updated in them, that needs to be the SC manager.
17:53:59 <alastairc> slim: We had some comments in over the last couple of days, and flared up over readablity statistics, and overlap with 26 and other things. Lisa had responded, but no response the other way.
17:55:48 <alastairc> Lisa_Seeman: We have to move on that. Perhaps comment again that reading levels don't apply (well).
17:56:50 <alastairc> Lisa_Seeman: At AAA there is already a reading level, I'm not seeing there is any change.
17:58:52 <alastairc> alastairc: question on what the reading level tools should be?
18:01:35 <alastairc> Lisa_Seeman: We just need the tools to highlight issues, these things can be available quite easily.
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18:02:50 <alastairc> Jim: The A/AA ones are really scoped to using the website, at AAA it becomes wider for all text.
18:03:21 <alastairc> Lisa_Seeman: mgower has some comments on there: https://github.com/w3c/wcag21/issues/30
18:05:04 <alastairc> Lisa_Seeman: Are you ok with making those changes Jim? A couple of text items there, better text for the exceptions and concrete bullet point. No comment on Jeanne's comment, we have covered that before on the list.
18:05:50 <alastairc> Lisa_Seeman: Jim - change of word for those things, can you email Thaddeus the changes?
18:06:28 <Lisa_Seeman> lseeman@us.ibm.com
18:07:12 <alastairc> s/lseeman@us.ibm.com/
18:07:53 <alastairc> Lisa_Seeman: My IBM email address is the best way to reach me at the moment.
18:08:49 <Lisa_Seeman> rrsagent, create minutes
18:08:49 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2017/02/13-coga-minutes.html Lisa_Seeman
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