IRC log of aria-apg on 2017-02-13

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18:04:31 [mck]
zakim, clear agenda
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agenda cleared
18:04:46 [MichielBijl]
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18:05:00 [jongund]
I am going to be a few minutes late
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Agenda+ Issue 228: Updates needed for link example page https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/issues/228
18:05:40 [mck]
- Fix for focus ring disappearance on link 3
18:05:40 [sirib]
present+ ShirishaBalusani
18:05:41 [mck]
- Should there be a warning on link 4 about use of background images? Or, should we remove link 4?
18:05:43 [mck]
Agenda+ Issue 210: Review accordion example https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/issues/210
18:05:44 [mck]
- Should the accordion headers be changed to use native button or left as link with button role?
18:05:46 [mck]
- Should the best-practice structure include named regions for the panels? If so, should the pattern be updated accordingly?
18:05:47 [mck]
Agenda+ Issue 265: Review FAQ disclosure example
18:05:49 [mck]
- Should the structure be based on DL? Or, should DL be replaced with generic div elements?
18:05:50 [mck]
- Issue https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/issues/265
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- Example http://w3c.github.io/aria-practices/examples/disclosure/disclosure-faq.html
18:05:53 [mck]
Agenda+ Current milestone review
18:05:55 [mck]
- https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/issues?q=is%3Aopen+is%3Aissue+milestone%3A%22Jan+2017+Clean+Up%22+sort%3Aupdated-desc
18:05:56 [mck]
- How much low hanging fruit can we pick off this week?
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- Review assignees on issues in closest reach
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- Reassess next publication date
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MEETING: Feb 13, 2017 Authoring Practices Teleconference
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CHAIR: Matt King
18:07:12 [mck]
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I'm logging. I don't understand 'maklog log world', mck. Try /msg RRSAgent help
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18:07:38 [jemma]
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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2017/02/13-aria-apg-minutes.html mck
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18:11:44 [mck]
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18:14:29 [jemma]
siri:the focus ring disappears in ie11
18:19:15 [jemma]
mb: I would like to suggest to add custom focus style and disable default focus.
18:20:14 [MichielBijl]
outline: none;
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border: 2px solid black;
18:20:42 [jemma]
mb: I will take care of issue 228, disable default focus ring.
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18:21:57 [jongund]
present+ jongund
18:22:23 [jemma]
take up agendum 1
18:24:10 [MichielBijl]
MB: So, in Windows 10 with High Contrast mode turned on, background images remain in Edge, but not IE11.
18:24:41 [jemma]
jongund: I looked at other social media buttons and background img technique is not used much nowadays.
18:24:51 [jemma]
mck: so we dont
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need to worry about that
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18:28:18 [jemma]
mck: 1.Q should we change this example to use button element or link with button role?
18:30:19 [jemma]
brian:"In the accordion example here, I already included the scripting for both techniques so it won't matter at all if you change the link into a button or into a focusable div or span instead, so these bases are already covered by reading the JS comments. I'm not opposed to making one of these examples use a button instead of a link, in which case role="button" is not required on the active element."
18:31:09 [jemma]
jongund: what is the mechanism for when a user open one panel and the other will close the panel?
18:31:32 [jemma]
s/for/ for the indication
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mck: it depends designer's choice
18:33:07 [jemma]
mck: accordion had heading and optional key which moves focus on heading
18:34:02 [jemma]
mck:part of problem for accordion is the panels in between controls.
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s/panels/ panels are
18:35:20 [jemma]
jongund: focus is on buttons
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mck: buttons is wrapped in the heading and focus is on buttons
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mck: assumptions for accordion is reading mode.
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rather than form/application mode
18:36:54 [jemma]
jongund: so heading is technically button then.
18:36:59 [jemma]
mck: yes.
18:37:10 [jemma]
mck:dt is heading role
18:39:03 [jemma]
mck: in this example, you have to tab through everything and you can not jump over the button unless we implement a special key
18:48:15 [jemma]
mck: this one demonstrate the pattern well for now. In release 2, in aria 1.1 we can consider looking at examples with using html native element button.
18:49:12 [jemma]
mck: do we think we need to add aria landmark region info to the pattern?
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brian: region role will be useful for de·mar·ca·tion
18:53:18 [jemma]
mck: I can add those information as option to aria state, property document
18:54:00 [jemma]
mck: I will add this to pattern and add that for release 2
18:54:26 [jemma]
s/pattern/pattern design for now
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take up agendum 4
18:55:00 [MichielBijl]
Fixes for issue 228: https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/pull/281
18:55:16 [mck]
https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/issues?q=is%3Aopen+is%3Aissue+milestone%3A%22Jan+2017+Clean+Up%22+sort%3Aupdated-desc
18:55:26 [jemma]
mck:skipping agendum 3 for now
18:55:55 [jemma]
https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/issues?q=is%3Aopen+is%3Aissue+milestone%3A%22Jan+2017+Clean+Up%22+sort%3Aupdated-desc
18:59:45 [jemma]
mck: I will take care of issue #279
19:01:01 [jemma]
I will assign jon and jemma to #224
19:01:12 [jemma]
mck: I will assign jon and jemma to #224
19:01:39 [jemma]
jongund: can you accept my pull request for menu?
19:02:24 [jemma]
s/menu/ issue #265
19:06:32 [jongund]
I have to go
19:07:25 [jemma]
I am done with "Identify examples where the charCode property of keypress event is used bug"
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