18:03:33 RRSAgent has joined #aria-apg 18:03:33 logging to http://www.w3.org/2017/02/13-aria-apg-irc 18:04:31 zakim, clear agenda 18:04:31 agenda cleared 18:04:46 present+ 18:05:00 I am going to be a few minutes late 18:05:09 present+ JaEunJemmaKu 18:05:22 make logs public 18:05:38 Agenda+ Issue 228: Updates needed for link example page https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/issues/228 18:05:40 - Fix for focus ring disappearance on link 3 18:05:40 present+ ShirishaBalusani 18:05:41 - Should there be a warning on link 4 about use of background images? Or, should we remove link 4? 18:05:43 Agenda+ Issue 210: Review accordion example https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/issues/210 18:05:44 - Should the accordion headers be changed to use native button or left as link with button role? 18:05:46 - Should the best-practice structure include named regions for the panels? If so, should the pattern be updated accordingly? 18:05:47 Agenda+ Issue 265: Review FAQ disclosure example 18:05:49 - Should the structure be based on DL? Or, should DL be replaced with generic div elements? 18:05:50 - Issue https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/issues/265 18:05:52 - Example http://w3c.github.io/aria-practices/examples/disclosure/disclosure-faq.html 18:05:53 Agenda+ Current milestone review 18:05:55 - https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/issues?q=is%3Aopen+is%3Aissue+milestone%3A%22Jan+2017+Clean+Up%22+sort%3Aupdated-desc 18:05:56 - How much low hanging fruit can we pick off this week? 18:05:58 - Review assignees on issues in closest reach 18:05:59 - Reassess next publication date 18:06:45 MEETING: Feb 13, 2017 Authoring Practices Teleconference 18:06:58 CHAIR: Matt King 18:07:12 rrsagent, maklog log world 18:07:12 I'm logging. I don't understand 'maklog log world', mck. Try /msg RRSAgent help 18:07:38 rrsagent, make minutes 18:07:38 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2017/02/13-aria-apg-minutes.html mck 18:07:38 make log world 18:08:49 makes log public 18:08:56 rrsagent, make log public 18:09:00 rrsagent, make log world 18:09:12 rrsagent, make minutes 18:09:12 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2017/02/13-aria-apg-minutes.html mck 18:10:59 scribe: JemmaJaeunKu 18:11:44 present+ matt_king 18:12:39 annabbott has joined #aria-apg 18:12:43 next item 18:14:29 siri:the focus ring disappears in ie11 18:19:15 mb: I would like to suggest to add custom focus style and disable default focus. 18:20:14 outline: none; 18:20:23 border: 2px solid black; 18:20:42 mb: I will take care of issue 228, disable default focus ring. 18:20:46 next item 18:21:57 present+ jongund 18:22:23 take up agendum 1 18:24:10 MB: So, in Windows 10 with High Contrast mode turned on, background images remain in Edge, but not IE11. 18:24:41 jongund: I looked at other social media buttons and background img technique is not used much nowadays. 18:24:51 mck: so we dont 18:25:04 need to worry about that 18:25:08 next item 18:28:18 mck: 1.Q should we change this example to use button element or link with button role? 18:30:19 brian:"In the accordion example here, I already included the scripting for both techniques so it won't matter at all if you change the link into a button or into a focusable div or span instead, so these bases are already covered by reading the JS comments. I'm not opposed to making one of these examples use a button instead of a link, in which case role="button" is not required on the active element." 18:31:09 jongund: what is the mechanism for when a user open one panel and the other will close the panel? 18:31:32 s/for/ for the indication 18:31:54 mck: it depends designer's choice 18:33:07 mck: accordion had heading and optional key which moves focus on heading 18:34:02 mck:part of problem for accordion is the panels in between controls. 18:34:44 s/panels/ panels are 18:35:20 jongund: focus is on buttons 18:35:42 mck: buttons is wrapped in the heading and focus is on buttons 18:36:11 mck: assumptions for accordion is reading mode. 18:36:25 rather than form/application mode 18:36:54 jongund: so heading is technically button then. 18:36:59 mck: yes. 18:37:10 mck:dt is heading role 18:39:03 mck: in this example, you have to tab through everything and you can not jump over the button unless we implement a special key 18:48:15 mck: this one demonstrate the pattern well for now. In release 2, in aria 1.1 we can consider looking at examples with using html native element button. 18:49:12 mck: do we think we need to add aria landmark region info to the pattern? 18:52:43 brian: region role will be useful for de·mar·ca·tion 18:53:18 mck: I can add those information as option to aria state, property document 18:54:00 mck: I will add this to pattern and add that for release 2 18:54:26 s/pattern/pattern design for now 18:54:29 next item 18:54:50 take up agendum 4 18:55:00 Fixes for issue 228: https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/pull/281 18:55:16 https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/issues?q=is%3Aopen+is%3Aissue+milestone%3A%22Jan+2017+Clean+Up%22+sort%3Aupdated-desc 18:55:26 mck:skipping agendum 3 for now 18:55:55 https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/issues?q=is%3Aopen+is%3Aissue+milestone%3A%22Jan+2017+Clean+Up%22+sort%3Aupdated-desc 18:59:45 mck: I will take care of issue #279 19:01:01 I will assign jon and jemma to #224 19:01:12 mck: I will assign jon and jemma to #224 19:01:39 jongund: can you accept my pull request for menu? 19:02:24 s/menu/ issue #265 19:06:32 I have to go 19:07:25 I am done with "Identify examples where the charCode property of keypress event is used bug" 19:09:55 rrsagent, make minutes 19:09:55 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2017/02/13-aria-apg-minutes.html jemma 19:10:28 present+ jongund 19:10:54 present +Annabbott 19:11:01 present+ Annabbott 19:13:25 present+ Bryan Garaventa 19:13:41 s/brian/bryan 19:13:53 rrsagent, make minutes 19:13:53 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2017/02/13-aria-apg-minutes.html jemma 19:15:41 s/Bryan Garaventa/BryanGaraventa 19:15:50 rrsagent, make minutes 19:15:50 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2017/02/13-aria-apg-minutes.html jemma