16:30:46 RRSAgent has joined #coga 16:30:46 logging to http://www.w3.org/2017/02/06-coga-irc 16:30:59 trackbot, start meeting 16:31:02 RRSAgent, make logs 389 16:31:05 Zakim, this will be 2642 16:31:05 Meeting: Cognitive Accessibility Task Force Teleconference 16:31:05 Date: 06 February 2017 16:31:05 ok, trackbot 16:31:08 rrsagent, make logs public 16:35:43 agenda: this 16:35:44 agenda+ review SC, and timelines show status table. Links: sc status: https://rawgit.com/w3c/coga/master/extension/status.html, 16:35:46 agenda+ EA 's https://github.com/w3c/wcag21/issues/50 and https://github.com/w3c/wcag21/issues/51 16:35:47 agenda+ input on Thads notes https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/wiki/SC_Managers_Phase1 16:35:49 agenda+ personlization et 16:35:50 agenda+ be done 16:50:01 JohnRochford has joined #coga 16:54:42 kirkwood has joined #coga 16:59:49 maryjom has joined #coga 17:01:14 Jim_S has joined #coga 17:01:33 agenda? 17:01:34 EA has joined #coga 17:01:41 present+ 17:02:45 w3c has joined #coga 17:04:29 Pietro has joined #coga 17:04:49 Present+ Pietro 17:05:14 jeanne has joined #coga 17:05:19 present+ JohnRochford 17:05:30 present+ jeanne 17:05:45 present+ 17:05:53 zakim, ping Lisa_Seeman in 45 minutes to turn floor over to Jeanne 17:05:53 I don't understand you, MichaelC 17:06:08 scribe: EA 17:06:25 zakim, next item 17:06:25 agendum 1. "review SC, and timelines show status table. Links: sc status: https://rawgit.com/w3c/coga/master/extension/status.html," taken up [from Lisa_Seeman] 17:06:58 present+ Mike_Pluke 17:06:59 Success criteria to be examined - Lisa has updated pull requests. 17:07:33 zakim, remind us in 45 minutes about TPG help 17:07:33 ok, MichaelC 17:07:51 Lisa has noted the changes in the coga space not the WCAG update space - status column has been changed to pull request and URL - not linked 17:07:55 remove ending punctuation to get past 404 17:08:20 I see a code view. 17:09:15 Lisa mentioned that Jim is working with Thad to complete areas that have been blocked. Jim commented that they are progressing 17:09:29 Thaddeus has joined #Coga 17:09:41 +present Thaddeus 17:10:17 Jim is working on SC 30,40,41 17:10:32 action: lisa to contact jan 17:10:32 Created ACTION-200 - Contact jan [on Lisa Seeman - due 2017-02-13]. 17:11:32 I love the dog's contributions. 17:13:11 Rachel and Beil's SCs are on course but Chaohai 's SCs do not appear to have had any discussion. 17:13:44 Significant echoing happening now. 17:13:45 Neil not Beil sorry 17:14:14 Jan has joined #coga 17:15:11 Jeanne has been working on 30 and 40 - gone to pull request. 17:15:37 Lisa advised Jeanne to put any comments into the SCs - active manager can then use the ocmments 17:15:42 comments 17:16:22 Once SCs have gone to the pull requests comments need to be put in that space. 17:16:57 Chaohai did 14 and 25 user information and timed events. 17:17:27 Jeanne asked if they were of interest and Lisa asked if she could be the manager - Jeanne said No 17:19:04 Jeanne works constantly on WCAG and went through the coga SC and prioritised the ones they could rewrite to get them through. 17:19:27 Jeanne is keep to help on the plain language aspects 17:19:37 keen to help 17:20:29 Mike and Steve's SC seem to be acceptable 17:20:42 Mike has said that his are nearly ready for pull request. 17:20:55 Lisa offered a call to sort out remaining issues 17:21:18 zakim, next item 17:21:18 agendum 2. "EA 's https://github.com/w3c/wcag21/issues/50 and https://github.com/w3c/wcag21/issues/51" taken up [from Lisa_Seeman] 17:21:24 Mike typing up final proposal for SC 24 17:23:25 Lisa suggested EA contacts 17:23:32 Wayne for meeting time 17:24:34 Lisa asked Jeanne if she had looked at 50 or 51 but Jeanne said they had started with plain language and help 17:26:13 EA to write to David McDonald about Symbols - Lisa suggested that he might be able to comment 17:27:29 Need to resolve any issues in the next two days as time is short. 17:28:22 Jan has emailed Jeanne about SC help and Lisa has offered to join the call 17:29:09 Lisa asked about Personalisation - Jan said there had been comments but there was a consensus that it will fail 17:29:53 Lisa suggested that is might all have to be done via the user. 17:30:17 Pietro has joined #coga 17:30:20 Michael was asked if he would join the conversation 17:30:26 RSSAgent, make minutes 17:31:09 Thad has set up a new repo for Personalisation but has spent time supporting members with pull requests. 17:31:45 Members need to go to Michael and Lisa first before going to Thad for pull requests. 17:33:07 zakim, next item 17:33:07 agendum 3. "input on Thads notes https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/wiki/SC_Managers_Phase1" taken up [from Lisa_Seeman] 17:33:22 Thad requested feedback on the SC Managers wiki page 17:33:44 https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/wiki/SC_Managers_Phase1 17:34:16 https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/wiki/SC_Managers_Phase1#NOTES.2FSTATUS_14 17:34:22 https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/wiki/SC_Managers_Phase1#Thaddeus_Cambron_.28.40inclusiveThinking.29 17:34:42 Present+ Pietro 17:34:53 RSSAgent, make minutes 17:34:54 Present+ Jan 17:35:57 Thad has said that on familiar design there was concern about feedback on options for personalisation, roll back and ? could not remember third item. 17:37:10 Help - A mechanism provided to give a user access to help content, a support page or a support function 17:37:22 Lisa was correcting help - delete one user action in the help definition 17:38:47 Thad is adding notes and Lisa is commentin on familiar design 17:40:16 Lisa discussing design patterns and Thad mentioned UX design principles for cognitive impairment. 17:40:50 Consisten navigation also needs rewording 17:41:31 Primary modality of the layout also needs clarification. 17:41:58 Mike also said this was an issue in his SC - need to rephrase 17:42:39 lseeman@us.ibm.com 17:43:32 Lisa said that if she is not responding in a couple of hours please use her IBM account. 17:44:13 https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/SC_20170207/? 17:44:15 ~Lisa said that a WCAG survey will be sent out. Everyone must vote otherwise the coga SCs will not get in 17:44:32 That URL is for the SC review February 7 2017 17:46:00 An email will go out to the coga list. 17:46:44 Q? 17:46:46 Thad confirmed that he had completed 6 pull requests. 17:47:31 \lisa gives thad a cheer 17:48:12 Jeanne has started to concentrate on coga SCs and wll work on wording rather than the technology aspects. Looking at original SCs not the pull requests 17:48:55 +1 17:49:09 Jeanne stressed that WCAG members do want coga SCs to meet requirements 17:49:34 https://rawgit.com/w3c/coga/master/extension/plain-language-a.html 17:50:39 Jeanne went over what is required in the plain language and discussed reading levels as being important. 17:51:16 Lisa mentioned the issues of reading levels so sometimes words are more complex even when short. 17:52:04 Jeanne still suggested that reading level was an approach that would reach success with WCAG. 17:52:33 MichaelC, you asked to be reminded at this time about TPG help 17:53:01 Lisa asked if this was an issue about testing 17:53:05 Pietro has joined #coga 17:53:22 Mike mentioned that there were aspects that could not be automatically tested 17:54:17 Navigation elements and form labels do not require reading ability greater than primary education level. (A) 17:54:54 Understandable Labels: Navigation elements and form labels do not require reading ability greater than primary education level. (A) 17:55:06 Understandable Instructions: Headings, error messages and instructions for completing tasks do not require reading ability greater than lower secondary education level. (AA) 17:55:59 Delta 3.1.5 Understandable Content: Blocks of text either: (AAA) 17:55:59 · have a reading level no more advanced than lower secondary education, or 17:55:59 · a version is provided that does not require reading ability more advanced than lower secondary education. 17:56:55 Lisa asked about the removal of error messages 17:57:26 Jeanne said this might be able to return as AA but deal with higher complexities 17:57:27 Q+ 17:58:06 Lisa asking if Jeanne could put these statements in an email 17:58:26 Statements which instruct a user to make a choice or take an action: have only one instruction per sentence, except when two things have to be done simultaneously; use sentences of no more than 15 words; should have no more than one relative pronoun per sentence. 17:59:06 John Rochford confirmed he liked the work on this SC 17:59:50 Mike mentioned there may be competeting proposals when linked with instructions. 18:01:37 Lisa will propose three options around the pull requests, first Jeanne then carry on with the pull request and finally not comfortable with either at this point 18:04:20 Mike said that the Manageable blocks SC will need to be cut up into different SCs and this appeared to have more agreement. 18:04:41 Jeanne is keen to talk more about SC24 18:05:06 Thad asked about meeting - Lisa to send email. 18:05:59 Jeanne proposal for help SC, will work on this next - no proposal at the moment but will set up a time with Jan 18:06:23 https://rawgit.com/w3c/coga/master/gap-analysis/table.html 18:07:59 Jan pointed to all the comments for the SC and Jeanne will look at them all - Lisa said they were being logged in the issue page 18:09:17 Meeting times are being set up with Lisa and also with Mike Gower. Jan wants to discuss Personalisaton SC and with Mike and Lisa 18:10:19 Lisa to discuss with Michael the time line etc. 18:12:05 rrsagent, create minutes 18:12:05 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2017/02/06-coga-minutes.html Lisa_Seeman 18:13:20 zakim, please part 18:13:20 leaving. As of this point the attendees have been MichaelC, Pietro, JohnRochford, jeanne, Jim_S, Mike_Pluke, Jan 18:13:20 Zakim has left #coga 18:13:33 rrsagent, please part 18:13:33 I see 1 open action item saved in http://www.w3.org/2017/02/06-coga-actions.rdf : 18:13:33 ACTION: lisa to contact jan [1] 18:13:33 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2017/02/06-coga-irc#T17-10-32